Tank the season to go after Trevor Lawrence at QB? Thread **merged**

[diamonddelts]

No. You don’t ALWAYS roll the dice in certain scenario. That’s not an objective fact of the universe, let alone football.

You take the generation changing pick. Does anybody remember the picks Jerry had in the draft where he passed on Randy Moss? No cause none of them made a difference at the end of the day. While Randy Moss was a once in a generation game changer for over a decade.

 

[SackMaster]

You take the generation changing pick. Does anybody remember the picks Jerry had in the draft where he passed on Randy Moss? No cause none of them made the difference at the end of the day. While Randy Moss was a once in a generation game changer for over a decade.

Randy has how many rings? I mean, he played on some great teams, just trying to remember how many rings.

Asking, for a friend.

 

[diamonddelts]

Randy has how many rings? I mean, he played on some great teams, just trying to remember how many rings.

Asking, for a friend.

Randy had some onion rings last week.

 

[DandyDon52]

We can't block.. We can't play defense.. The team has basically quit.. There is turmoil being leaked out of the building. We're down to a 7th round rookie QB.

I think Dallas at this point just needs to show up and they will take their L's.

It's funny watching these games because it was obvious Dalton was going to get strip sacked before we even started the game and how obvious was it that a defender would jump offsides early?

So my question is are the players, coaches, and jones boys tanking on purpose??
if so they dont have to be this bad lol.
and evidently dalton didnt get the memo??
So it could be this is just a cluster blank, and just how bad jones boys and coaches are, and how the players are just showing up for a check.

or is this a tank by the players, in a attempt to make sure dak comes back and with a big contract??

 

[garyo1954]

There is a difference between a franchise quarterback and a potentially generation changing athlete which can alter the destiny of a franchise. Always roll the dice if you have a chance on the latter.

Let his coach, Dabo Swinney, break him down:

“You want size? You got it. You want a guy that can run? You got it,” he said over Zoom recently. “You want a guy that has a great football IQ? You got it. You want a guy that’s a great leader? You got it. You want a guy that loves to work, loves to prepare, same guy every day? You got it. You want a guy that’s humble? You got it.

“You want a guy that makes everybody else better, doesn’t ask anymore more from anybody that he’s willing to give? You got it.

“You want a guy that’s accurate? You got it. You want a guy that’s got great pocket presence? You got it. You want a guy that’s got toughness and ain’t afraid to go get a first down? You got it. You want a guy that’s going to give you every ounce of what he’s got? You got it.

“So I don’t know what you could want in a quarterback that he doesn’t possess.”

 

[StarBoyz83]

Dak will get a contract and remain the cowboys qb

 

[diamonddelts]

So my question is are the players, coaches, and jones boys tanking on purpose??
if so they dont have to be this bad lol.
and evidently dalton didnt get the memo??
So it could be this is just a cluster blank, and just how bad jones boys and coaches are, and how the players are just showing up for a check.

or is this a tank by the players, in a attempt to make sure dak comes back and with a big contract??

Yes players are going to risk injuring themselves in order for Dak to get a big contract.

 

[CarolinaFathead]

You take the generation changing pick. Does anybody remember the picks Jerry had in the draft where he passed on Randy Moss? No cause none of them made a difference at the end of the day. While Randy Moss was a once in a generation game changer for over a decade.

Randy Moss was passed on by a lot of teams. It’s easy to look back in hindsight and say what should have been done.

Lawrence is not a “can’t miss” prospect. He’s got flaws. He’s got a tendency towards happy feet and his pocket presence is something he needs to work on big time. I’m a UNC fan. I watch ACC football a lot. I’ve seen this kid play a lot. Like I said, I like him as a prospect but we have Dak and with where Dak is at in his development, Lawrence isn’t going to give you that much more than Dak, if he gives you more at all, that you don’t entertain a windfall of draft picks from a team desperate for a franchise QB.

The main thing that would lean me towards drafting Lawrence as things currently stand is Dak’s injury. We don’t know how this is going to pan out at the moment. It’s moot anyway. We aren’t going to be in a position to draft him.

 

[quickccc]

You don't let go of a potentially generation changing talent. PERIOD.

we already have our franchise guy in hand.

and like you said " potential" ... not a guarantee.

 

[SackMaster]

Just saw this on MNF. Bears have had 51 QBs since 1966 with 2 Pro Bowl selections for those 51 QBs (McMahon and Tribuski).

But fans think drafting a QB is sure fire thing, even after living (maybe?) though the Aikman to Romo years.

 

[CarolinaFathead]

Just saw this on MNF. Bears have had 51 QBs since 1966 with 2 Pro Bowl selections for those 51 QBs (McMahon and Tribuski).

But fans think drafting a QB is sure fire thing, even after living (maybe?) though the Aikman to Romo years.

Makes me wonder about the age of some of these posters.

The 80’s after Staubach weren’t exactly great either. Danny White was a decent starting QB but he threw a lot of interceptions and fumbled a lot especially at inopportune times like the NFC title game against the Niners where he fumbled with us on the move with a lead late in the game and that turnover led to The Catch. The team had success with him in the early 80’s but the wheels fell off by 86 and then we were playing the Steve Pelleurs of the world before we drafted Aikman.

It’s hard to find a great QB.

 

[Jake]

Can we move these Clemson Barbie fantasy threads to the Draft Zone? Last I checked this chick doesn't play for the Cowboys.

 

[Pessimist_cowboy]

No. You don’t ALWAYS roll the dice in certain scenarios. That’s not an objective fact of the universe, let alone football. The context and backdrop of the team making the pick matter.

We’ve all seen what Dak is. He can beat the below average teams but isn’t good enough to beat any good teams. Hasn’t in years.

 

[CarolinaFathead]

We’ve all seen what Dak is. He can beat the below average teams but isn’t good enough to beat any good teams. Hasn’t in years.

Uh huh...

He’s never beaten a good team. Right...

 

[Qcard]

Can we move these Clemson Barbie fantasy threads to the Draft Zone? Last I checked this chick doesn't play for the Cowboys.

Hmmmm you must be an SEC rival.

The folks have no clue if Lawrence will boom or bust.

Just another veiled Dak Hate thread

 

[Pessimist_cowboy]

Uh huh...

He’s never beaten a good team. Right...

It’s been years. Last time was 2018 vs the saints. And the offense scored 13 points. He’s a good leader , solid QB. If you have a chance to upgrade for much cheaper it’s a no brainer.

 

[Qcard]

We’ve all seen what Dak is. He can beat the below average teams but isn’t good enough to beat any good teams. Hasn’t in years.

We beat Philly last year... Or only the 2nd game counts

Dak Haters are remedial

 

[SackMaster]

Makes me wonder about the age of some of these posters.

The 80’s after Staubach weren’t exactly great either. Danny White was a decent starting QB but he threw a lot of interceptions and fumbled a lot especially at inopportune times like the NFC title game against the Niners where hefumbled with us on the move with a lead late in the game and that turnover led to The Catch. The team had success with him in the early 80’s but the wheels fell off by 86 and then we were playing the Steve Pelleurs of the world before we drafted Aikman.

It’s hard to find a great QB.

I'm not that old (was pre-to-early teen during the 90s Super Bowls) but I remembering the desperate hope of Quincy, Chad and Drew years.

Could you imagine if Quincy did not screw up so bad in his personal life the year we let him go? Romo was 4th on the roster that year and probably does not ever take a snap for the Cowboys if Quincy does not screw up.

That probably sucks for Romo though, as he could have been the Saints QB if Payton brought him along when he left Dallas. I don't know if the Saints win a Super Bowl with Romo, but at least he could have played for a real NFL quality coach in NO.

Anyways, sorry for going on a tangent. This may just be one of those things that fans who did not go though a QB drought will have to live though to appreciate when Dallas does have a franchise QB.

 

[CarolinaFathead]

It’s been years. Last time was 2018 vs the saints. And the offense scored 13 points. He’s a good leader , solid QB. If you have a chance to upgrade for much cheaper it’s a no brainer.

Not at the expense of turning down windfall offers from teams that are desperate for a franchise QB.

 

[garyo1954]

Uh huh...

He’s never beaten a good team. Right...

In his first year, Prescott threw for 13 touchdowns and 4 interceptions against above-.500 teams and compiled a 6-3 record, including the playoffs. Since then, his touchdown-to-interception ratio is 25-25 and his record as a starter is 6-17. Last year, he had an 8/8 TD/INT ratio and the Cowboys went 1-6 against teams with an above-.500 record.

Of course, you may be asking yourself, well, how do other top-paid QBs fair against quality competition? How do Prescott's stats stack up against those in the pay range he's looking to break into? I'm happy you asked.

Against over-.500 teams both in the regular season and the playoffs (when applicable), Aaron Rodgers had a 12/4 ratio and 5-3 record last year. Russell Wilson had an 11/4 ratio and a 4-4 record. Kirk Cousins had a 15/6 ratio and a 3-5 record. Jared Goff's ratio was 6/6 and his record was 2-4. Tom Brady was 6/5 and 3-4.

Patrick Mahomes, Lamar Jackson, and Deshaun Watson, Prescott's QB contemporaries also up for new deals soon, had numbers of 20/4 and 5-2, 10/3 and 5-2 and 12/5 and 4-3, respectively.

Oh........uh...against teams with a .500 record or below, Prescott shines. His TD/INT ratio is 64/9 and his record is 29-5. Those are elite stats for sure, but they come against below-average competition. Of course, that's what good quarterbacks do: beat up on bad competition. But putting Prescott in that elite category doesn't fit based on his career performances against better teams thus far.

https://www.thebiglead.com/posts/cowboys-dak-prescott-stats-good-teams-contract-01e8w476239v