What is wrong with tanking?

[GimmeTheBall!]

Viva La Raza!

electric, meself. good steel from the Punjab.

 

[cern]

Only if they are able to connect them. Which we admirably did.

And my man! You got the Dr. Seuss thing! He wrote that steaming pile of wonderful!

As incredible as it might seem, i never read a single dr. Seuss story as a child. Did read some aesop. Related more to the common man.

 

[GimmeTheBall!]

Arthur, galahad and lancelot didn't know what they started.

uppercrust. give me the flyweight street fighters from Leeds!

 

[kskboys]

Johnson made examples of people for all kinds of reason. Maybe they didn't show up ready to be a part of his system. Maybe they appeared bitter. Maybe they just didn't impress him. You'd have to ask him why he didn't play them. But nothing he ever did here made me think he would have been ok with not winning.

Sorry, I really thought this was common knowledge.

Jimmy left good players sitting on the bench because he was tanking for the draft picks tied to those picks. Jimmy tanked for picks, and it was not a secret at all. Sorry if this doesn't fit into your ideas and thoughts, but that is what happened.

 

[garyo1954]

Jimmy Johnson disagrees with all the tanking talk.....

“People are wanting to compare them and tanking to what we did the first year in Dallas,’’ said Johnson, who went on to coach the Dolphins after winning two Super Bowls coaching the Cowboys. “That’s completely wrong.”

“First of all, Tom Landry was a great coach who had three losing seasons before I got there,’’ Johnson said of his 1989 entrance to Dallas. "They were 3-13 the year before I got here. We weren’t tanking my first year. We were just bad. We were old and slow.

“There wasn’t a lot of talent there. I made a ton of trades — 51 in five years. But the only player I traded that first year of any value was Herschel [Walker]. I kept Ken Norton, a rookie. I kept a young Michael Irvin. I traded our starting quarterback, Steve Pelluer, to Kansas City [for third- and fourth-round picks].

“The key is not getting draft picks,’’ Johnson said. “The key is picking the right players. There’s been plenty of teams with a bunch of draft picks. The Rams, when they traded Eric Dickerson, made a similar trade to what I had with Herschel. Didn’t do a thing with it. I hate to say this but two of their first-round picks were [former University of Miami players] Bill Hawkins and Cleveland Gary.”

https://www.sun-sentinel.com/sports...0190919-dop6objxpncfrdlvizz2ucqwky-story.html

 

[CanadianCowboysFan]

Is that the CFL, eh?

0/10

 

[Scotman]

Sorry, I really thought this was common knowledge.

Jimmy left good players sitting on the bench because he was tanking for the draft picks tied to those picks. Jimmy tanked for picks, and it was not a secret at all. Sorry if this doesn't fit into your ideas and thoughts, but that is what happened.

It's not common knowledge. It's just your opinion. It being your opinion doesn't make it fact or common knowledge. Jimmy was actively churning the roster trying to find the right guys for him and his scheme. It wasn't all about draft picks.

I watched every game...missed 2 games since 89 and very few before that. We were bad in 89. New owner. New coach. Complete roster turnover. As a fan it absolutely didn't look like a tank job, though. The team was getting better throughout the year. It was more cohesive and a core began to develop. I can't imagine watching those games and thinking we were trying to loose.

I will never be a fan of intentionally losing football games. You might be wired to accept intentionally losing, but I'm not. And I don't want to be ok with it.

 

[Bullflop]

Tanking violates the spirit of competition and competition is what sports are all about. Tanking ruins credibility, in and of itself.

 

[Scotman]

Tanking violates the spirit of competition and competition is what sports are all about. Tanking ruins credibility, in and of itself.

100% agree. 100%.

 

[Big_D]

sorry they all matter...

sure they do. lol you’re fooling yourself with that crap!

 

[blueblood70]

sure they do. lol you’re fooling yourself with that crap!

sorry tanking is fan term , players and coaches do NOT believe in it..its not a thing..sometimes teams and GMs are just bad and appear that way,..i provided proof, MIA was 2-0 to finish the season 3-3 last year played Fitz until the end in which they played their best football....if they were actually tanking they would have played rosen and not try hard..then what how would those players came into this season and played? not lie they are now..they ended up with Tua at 5 without a true tank..no to many top 2 overall picks in the nfl have amounted to the expectations they have had, Especially at QB. Tanking for a probable player is ridiculous. Very rare toy see a team lose by design..

top 2 QBs taken from 2009-2019 let me know who they were and how they are doing today...

if we end up 2-3 im trading down most of the Defenders targeted not worth top 5 makes sense to get more picks and get the targeted players plus maybe one of the other 3 QBs ios worth using with the extra first rounder..you can do both without tanking..we would be losing anyway..if tanking were the goal , nooch would have stayed in from day 1 until the end..its a fan thing and it utterly ridiculous if you think 99% of the teams would acutely have plan for it..

the zone is full of Fan narratives and not much being thrown around has any validity, its hyperbole, rhetoric, and just flat opinions with no teeth..

sorry wake up and realize you are not inside a pro Sports organization so LOL all you wish..it doesnt make it true..

 

[SteveTheCowboy]

Who said I was going to? The ONLY reason I watched last week was to see Gilbert otherwise I was done for the season.

What did you think? I saw some nice throws.

 

[GimmeTheBall!]

What did you think? I saw some nice throws.

I saw leadership in the huddle.

 

[GimmeTheBall!]

Tanking violates the spirit of competition and competition is what sports are all about. Tanking ruins credibility, in and of itself.

So, old boy, Jerry hasn't ruined OUR CREDIBILITY since 1999? Whew, I feel of 10,000 stone off me manly shoulders!

 

[Bullflop]

So, old boy, Jerry hasn't ruined OUR CREDIBILITY since 1999? Whew, I feel of 10,000 stone off me manly shoulders!

Jerry ruins his own credibility by way of his own mindless miscues, imho. I've never seen the Cowboys being guilty of tanking. That includes J. Johnson's first Dallas team. That team was inept enough to lose on their own. Their talent level was that poor. Where were you back then?

 

[GimmeTheBall!]

As incredible as it might seem, i never read a single dr. Seuss story as a child. Did read some aesop. Related more to the common man.

That is why you got smart and I only ascended To YMM.
You read Aesop and I read The Rawhide kid (from America) and Beano and Topper comic.

 

[GimmeTheBall!]

Jerry ruins his own credibility by way of his own mindless miscues, imho. I've never seen the Cowboys being guilty of tanking. That includes J. Johnson's first Dallas team. His first team with the Cowboys were inept enough to lose on their own. Their talent level that poor. Where were you back then?

Were you?

 

[Bullflop]

Were you?

I've followed the Cowboys continuously since their inception in 1960 . . . and yourself?

Crickets . . .

 

[GimmeTheBall!]

I've followed the Cowboys continuously since their inception in 1960 . . . and yourself?

Crickets . . .

Blimey!
Are we down to "I've been down with the Boys since 1952 so I am better than you"" carp?!?
Is that all you got, old boy?
Their inception, sire, has nothing to do with today or next year's draft.
I will send you a fruit basket. Helps the old digestive gullet, me boy.

 

[Big_D]

sorry tanking is fan term , players and coaches do NOT believe in it..its not a thing..sometimes teams and GMs are just bad and appear that way,..i provided proof, MIA was 2-0 to finish the season 3-3 last year played Fitz until the end in which they played their best football....if they were actually tanking they would have played rosen and not try hard..then what how would those players came into this season and played? not lie they are now..they ended up with Tua at 5 without a true tank..no to many top 2 overall picks in the nfl have amounted to the expectations they have had, Especially at QB. Tanking for a probable player is ridiculous. Very rare toy see a team lose by design..

top 2 QBs taken from 2009-2019 let me know who they were and how they are doing today...

if we end up 2-3 im trading down most of the Defenders targeted not worth top 5 makes sense to get more picks and get the targeted players plus maybe one of the other 3 QBs ios worth using with the extra first rounder..you can do both without tanking..we would be losing anyway..if tanking were the goal , nooch would have stayed in from day 1 until the end..its a fan thing and it utterly ridiculous if you think 99% of the teams would acutely have plan for it..

the zone is full of Fan narratives and not much being thrown around has any validity, its hyperbole, rhetoric, and just flat opinions with no teeth..

sorry wake up and realize you are not inside a pro Sports organization so LOL all you wish..it doesnt make it true..

And you apparently manage a sports organization? How are the 3 QBs from 2020 doing right now? I guess they all suck? People are so scared of the next Trubisky they'll pass on every QB from here on out or just wait until they're in complete desperation mode. The Dolphins got lucky and Fitzmagic was much better than they thought it would be. Plus the Lions are just stupid but they probably end up with Herbert anyway!! Still this is a long term organizational deficiency It's not about intentionally losing games or equating that to going out and not trying or missing tackles, dropping balls purposely.. etc.

Building your team is a year round endeavor and this one always looks absolutely baffled on why bad things are happening and how! It's every stupid decision leading up .. a constant 'year round' rotation regularly puts them in these situations. Pretty factual at this point. That includes in season decisions, trades, benchings, one eye on the future, contracts, letting guys walk, starting young guys, coaching. Things that might cause a loss in the short term, but can help in the long term. The gamut of building a quality team. People think this is about 1 year or 1 QB or flat out quitting, now that's funny???.


Jerrys' "win now" one for the gipper mentality. It's actually comical at this point. All businesses look beyond, NFL is no different.. and this team stinks at it. Again pretty factual. This isn't high school but some are definitely smarter than others. "all games matter"? You gotta be kidding? This team routinely disappoints yet management somehow can't put a finger on the issue? Building a team matters the most and there's nothing sneaky or underhanded about it. Instead close the season with a nice moral victory and clean out your lockers! And amazingly enough some fans are all for it?!! and then just refuse to see the pattern?