What is wrong with tanking?

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  1. Fla Cowpoke

    Fla Cowpoke Well-Known Member

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    Several of the guys you mentioned when mid to late in the first round. That kind of defeats the argument for tanking. We don't have to get the number one pick to get a good player in the first round. We got Lamb in the middle.
     
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  2. garyo1954

    garyo1954 Well-Known Member

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    Hindsight makes geniuses of us all. But we need people to tell us before we draft a guy if he's a bust. Then again nobody has ever proven the magic formula for no regret draft picks or Super Bowls.
     
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  3. garyo1954

    garyo1954 Well-Known Member

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    That's the truth. Teams are built and maintained with lower round picks.

    This is what the standings would look like if teams that had the most top ten picks in the last 20 years were the dominant teams.......

    Washington 9, 2020, 2nd (includes #2 and #3 in 2000)
    NY Giants 6, 2020, 4th
    Dallas 5, 2016 4th
    Philadephia 3, 2016, 2nd

    Detroit 12, 2020 3rd
    Chicago 7, 2018, 8th
    Minnesota 6, 2014 9th
    Green Bay 3, 2009 9th

    Tampa Bay 7, 2019, 5th
    Atlanta 7, 2015 8th
    Carolina 6, 2020 7th
    NO Saints 3, 2008 7th

    Arizona 11, 2020, 8th
    SF 49ers 8, 2019, 2nd
    LA Rams, 7, 2016, 1st
    Seattle 3, 2010, 6th


    LV 9, 2019, 4th
    KC 6, 2017, 10th
    LA Char 6, 2020, 6th
    Denver 2, 2018, 5th

    Cleveland 13, 2020, 10th (2) 2018
    Cincinnati 9, 2020, 1st
    Baltimore 3, 2016, 6th
    Pittsburgh 2, 2019, 10th

    NY Jets 9, 2019, 3rd
    Buffalo 8, 2019, 9th
    Miami 6, 2020, 5th
    NE Pats 2, 2008, 10th

    Jacksonville 15, 2020, 9th
    Tennessee 7, 2017, 5th
    Houston 6, 2014, 1st
    Indianapolis 2, 2018, 6th

    Yeah, they were bad teams when they drafted high. And guess what they are still bad teams with all those high draft choices!
     
  4. bigE79

    bigE79 Well-Known Member

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    Ye of little faith..lol
     
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  5. Whirlwin

    Whirlwin Well-Known Member

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    . Make no mistake about it he cheated he said so himself
     
  6. GimmeTheBall!

    GimmeTheBall! Junior College Transfer

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    I guess then, Gary, we are on the right road.
    Thanks, bloke.
    :rolleyes:
     
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  7. garyo1954

    garyo1954 Well-Known Member

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    Here's some advice @Corso gave me:

    The wealthiest camel has the biggest hump!
     
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  8. GimmeTheBall!

    GimmeTheBall! Junior College Transfer

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    @Coso has a restraining order pertaining to all dromedaries and ungulates!
     
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  9. jterrell

    jterrell Penguinite

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    It is really all about this!
    Tanking is just playing poorly and playing poorly or halfheartedly is very hard to stop.
    As a competitor you don't have a switch you turn on and off.

    Unless you want to do a total rebuild tanking shouldn't be an option.
    That doesn't mean teams cant play young guys (Dallas is) and released dead end vets (Dallas did).
    But you compete 100% and try to win with the guys int he field by coaching your best and players giving it their all.

    And yes at end of day the weird well ends justify the means dudes get dis-proven because data shows you are better off being a good team competing yearly then a tanking team hoping to eventually ascend.

    Nothing wrong as a fan rationalizing high draft picks if that's all you've got but NFL players are playing to feed their families they aren't going to play poorly so some other guys can come in and save them.
     
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  10. Hardline

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    If you want an omelet. You have to break a few eggs.
     
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  11. Reid1boys

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    hell no they dont want to lose.... but I am not a player. I am a fan, and if we bring in better players that take an avg players job from this years roster, thats exactly what I want to happen. I have no loyalty to players on the team. I love them when they do well for us, but when they stink, its time to go. My loyalty is and always will be with the Dallas Cowboys.

    I sat at a table and watched college football with Randy Gregory...... I think it was 3 years ago, and I told him that flat out. He thought it was funny, but he understood my point. And no, winning is not always better than losing. If the Jets screw up and win 2 games and lose out on Trevor, and I was the owner, Id fire him just for that.
     
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  12. Ranching

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    I get it, but I don't see myself ever wanting to lose. To each his own. Take your whoopping with a smile.
     
  13. Reid1boys

    Reid1boys Well-Known Member

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    so if i could guarantee you that the Cowboys would get a rookie Peyton Manning next year if we lost every game the rest of the season, youd say hell no, you want those 2-3 more wins?
     
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  14. kskboys

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    No it doesn't. You're simply either missing or denying the fact that the further toward the front of the draft you pick, the better. You're not able to understand that it sometimes takes sacrifice to maximize. Luckily Jimmy understood it as we tanked our way to 3 super bowls.
     
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  15. kskboys

    kskboys Well-Known Member

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    Several of the teams w/ the most high draft choices are now contenders. If you're trying to analyze, might want to try and use all the facts. TENN, BUFF, SF, KC, LV, ARI, Rams, TB, all are contenders. It appears this chart is making the opposite point of what you're intending.
     
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  16. Ranching

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    What word didn't you understand? I do no want to lose and will never root for a loss. Let the chips land where they may. . Some teams tank for Ryan Leaf type players..
     
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  17. Cowboys22

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    I don’t really mind tasteful tanking when a team is totally out of it. By that I mean play some of your young guys to get them experience and see what you have. Dallas was only one game out of the division lead with nearly half the season to go and the easiest schedule left in the division. That is not a tanking situation. These last few weeks prove why. They have played much better on defense and look like a solid improving team. They outplayed the undefeated Steelers with a QB they had just picked up off a practice squad and just barely lost even with the refs doing all they could to help Pittsburgh. If they keep improving, they will win the division and host a playoff game. Who knows what can happen in this crazy year. You don’t tank under these circumstances. Now, if Philly was 8-2 or 7-3 right now, then yes, play the youngsters and start Dinucci to see what he can do with several games experience.
     
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  18. CowboysWillRise

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    Awesome post, thanks for sharing.
     
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  19. CowboysWillRise

    CowboysWillRise Well-Known Member

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    Hell no, in a world where you can guarantee we get the next Peyton Manning Im hoping to lose. Unfortunately that world doesn't exist.
     

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