2021 defensive coordinator? Choose one

[KingintheNorth]

Venables likely isn't leaving a place he can recruit elite 4-5 star defenders across the board.
He's turned down head coaching P5 jobs.

I have had the pleasure of meeting and talking with Coach Venables. He's different. These coaches are Type A plus personalities and extremely competitive. You never know when a coach is ready to challenge themselves and they all look at the NFL as the ultimate challenge.

Aranda is a head coach making like 2.75-3M a year. He's unlikely to come to Dallas to be DC at a lateral pay rate.

That's what I was telling the original poster. Aranda isn't leaving Baylor.

Gus Bradley is interesting but we tried that SEA scheme under Richard and just never got it down.
I think I'd rather be multiple and more in line with what most other teams are doing now.

A few things. We never really tried that scheme. They tried to mesh it was Marinelli's 90s Tampa 2 scheme. Also, Gus Bradley is not Kris Richard.

 

[cern]

if those are the choices, lewis. lovie's days are past. wade has bitter feelings towards jerry and is likely to be the raiders new dc before this season ends.

i just read where marinelli was promoted to interim dc for raiders. ergo, forget about wade being their dc this season.

 

[quickccc]

-I'm not sure I want Wade Phillips, but not sure if I want a two-gap read and react system, either. Linebackers and even safeties have looked so confused in this scheme, even Sean Lee has struggled on the mental side. Players are not playing fast. We heard Richard Sherman say Nolan's scheme is just too complicated. Maybe it's just Nolan's scheme, but we had issues when Rob Ryan brought in a similar system.

-We aren't going to overturn all 11 defensive starters, there are going to be some holdover players in which the team has to have a scheme that plays more to their strengths. DLaw, the 2 young 3 tech's, Lve/Jaylon, Diggs, etc. It really doesn't matter if it 43/34 or both, but a scheme that plays to the team's strengths.

- That's why it does matter upon the scheme, 3-4 or 4-3, because certain players don't fit certain schemes; for instance, i'm not sure if Trysten Hill is idea for a 2 gap, 3-4 DE scheme.
His skill is shedding and getting off blocks and penetrating into the backfield instead of standing up at the line, reading and clogging gaps.

- Also I don’t think Trevon Diggs neither fits this coverage scheme nor the current coaches in place are best for him, imo.

- And all 4-3 schemes and 3-4 schemes are not the same. But frankly I don't trust McCarthy to make the right decision. I think he's one tracked minded, throws a name in the
bowl and doesn't make his DC's accountable. If the Jones don't push the urgency change button themselves, McCarthy would return Nolan right back without a thought and we'd be
going thru this mayhem all over again from beginning to end.

- McCarthy's hybrid wishes for a new DC are gonna be tough because not every DC is that diversified, not taught up to run that scheme and it's not a preference with them.
They'd be lost themselves trying to even teach that brand of scheme to their own coaches- much less their players.
I can see and admire why a HC would want that as it’s a change up as to confuse an offense – if you have the right coach(es) to do that, and it’s a way to go about
change up - without confusion themselves and minimizing players’ strengths, and exposing players weaknesses.

 

[jterrell]

I have had the pleasure of meeting and talking with Coach Venables. He's different. These coaches are Type A plus personalities and extremely competitive. You never know when a coach is ready to challenge themselves and they all look at the NFL as the ultimate challenge.


That's what I was telling the original poster. Aranda isn't leaving Baylor.


A few things. We never really tried that scheme. They tried to mesh it was Marinelli's 90s Tampa 2 scheme. Also, Gus Bradley is not Kris Richard.

One of Venables best friends is Texas Tech AD Kirby Hocutt.
Kirby would have paid him a fortune to go Coach Texas Tech and he said he was quite happy as a DC and he likewise turned down KState head gig now 3-4 times (his and Hocutt's alma mater).
Rumors are he was/is content waiting on Alabama or Clemson head coaching jobs.
He likely could get any big program gig he wants fwiw.

Also Brent is now coaching his sons Jake and Tyler. Would not be likely to leave doing that for an NFL flight of fancy, especially as a DC at a near lateral pay. He makes a ton for a collegiate DC.

Fair on Bradley and scheme stuff.
We did use a bit of the from 7 stuff but never went full bore 3 big and a LEO.
Also Jalen Ramey is a lot but that dude hated Bradley's defense.
"Every week, we ran the same defense," said Ramsey, who finished his rookie season with 55 tackles, 14 pass breakups and two interceptions. "We never changed defenses. We never changed plays. What we were running on first down at the beginning of the season we were running on first down at the end of the season. What we were running on second down, third down, same. Nothing ever changed."

All in all I'd like us to go multiple but do so with someone who can coach a 4-3 next year as a base if the personnel asks it while we add pierces over time to be more varied.
And that's my infatuation with Patricia. Pats finished highly ranked with 3-4 and 4-3 base defense under his watch and evolved to be very multiple.

 

[quickccc]

That all sounds interesting.
But there is an old belief that you never hire your replacement.

So while we all want more..
McCarthy is not going to hire his replacement or anything close to it.

We as fans are in a vacuum pretty much.
We want things that nobody in their right minds would do.

Weird.

and that were true, i'd never want that kind of HC here in the first place, because my HC was hired to believe a leader of men, and his self confident, presence and assertion stands out
over the entire team, and is infectious through the organization. If anything asst. coaches become HC's elsewhere, as you see with Belichek, Andy Reid, McVay, Parcell, Jimmie Johnson, etc.

Is Sean Payton gonna be afraid to hire on a Dennis Allen as DC of the Saints because he used to be an ex-HC ?
Is Sean McVey gonna now be scared of his own hired DC Brandon Stalen because he's a young up & comer and soon HC himself ?
Is Pete Carroll gonna be scared off of a Dan Quinn or Gus Bradley because he hired them on his staff?
is Andy Reid gonna be scared off himself because he has excellent assistants such as Eric Bienemy and former assistant Mike Nagy ?

if anything comes close to your predicament, and though he's more of a retainment than outside hire, I could see even Kellen Moore taking over the reigns of
new HC in a year, McCarthy himself doesn't supplant himself next year as the undisputed, unquestioned leader of this team in a winning path.

 

[Doomsday101]

If it were my call to make I would look to a guy like Brent Venables. nations top DC in college football who I think because of his ties to college has a better feel for players entering the NFL and the style of offense we are seeing in the NFL which are more along the lines of college football

 

[Cowboyny]

- That's why it does matter upon the scheme, 3-4 or 4-3, because certain players don't fit certain schemes; for instance, i'm not sure if Trysten Hill is idea for a 2 gap, 3-4 DE scheme.
His skill is shedding and getting off blocks and penetrating into the backfield instead of standing up at the line, reading and clogging gaps.

- Also I don’t think Trevon Diggs neither fits this coverage scheme nor the current coaches in place are best for him, imo.

- And all 4-3 schemes and 3-4 schemes are not the same. But frankly I don't trust McCarthy to make the right decision. I think he's one tracked minded, throws a name in the
bowl and doesn't make his DC's accountable. If the Jones don't push the urgency change button themselves, McCarthy would return Nolan right back without a thought and we'd be
going thru this mayhem all over again from beginning to end.

- McCarthy's hybrid wishes for a new DC are gonna be tough because not every DC is that diversified, not taught up to run that scheme and it's not a preference with them.
They'd be lost themselves trying to even teach that brand of scheme to their own coaches- much less their players.
I can see and admire why a HC would want that as it’s a change up as to confuse an offense – if you have the right coach(es) to do that, and it’s a way to go about
change up - without confusion themselves and minimizing players’ strengths, and exposing players weaknesses.

-As we know Jerry didn't want to hire a young HC learning on the job, as they wanted to so called hit the ground running.
-He has stated recently that they made a mistake bringing on a new scheme, in this unusual year, not really prepared to do so.
-MM is going to try to sell him and his son the benefits of a multiple scheme, as he did when he interviewed for the position.
-Jerry/Stephen will listen, have MM apart of the process, but ultimately is going to have the final say.
-We will see if MM gets his way or if Jerry goes in a different direction.

 

[unionjack8]

I’d like to see your list

I actually like tge list of college guys listed on page 1.
I really am about no more rehashing the same old faces. I want fresh ideas and a new energy . If I had to go with a nfl guy then maybe gus bradley....

 

[Redball Express]

and that were true, i'd never want that kind of HC here in the first place, because my HC was hired to believe a leader of men, and his self confident, presence and assertion stands out
over the entire team, and is infectious through the organization. If anything asst. coaches become HC's elsewhere, as you see with Belichek, Andy Reid, McVay, Parcell, Jimmie Johnson, etc.

Is Sean Payton gonna be afraid to hire on a Dennis Allen as DC of the Saints because he used to be an ex-HC ?
Is Sean McVey gonna now be scared of his own hired DC Brandon Stalen because he's a young up & comer and soon HC himself ?
Is Pete Carroll gonna be scared off of a Dan Quinn or Gus Bradley because he hired them on his staff?
is Andy Reid gonna be scared off himself because he has excellent assistants such as Eric Bienemy and former assistant Mike Nagy ?

if anything comes close to your predicament, and though he's more of a retainment than outside hire, I could see even Kellen Moore taking over the reigns of
new HC in a year, McCarthy himself doesn't supplant himself next year as the undisputed, unquestioned leader of this team in a winning path.

I am going to come back and drill holes in your boat.

But right now I have to pack my bags.

I am being released from the hospital after 16 months of surgery and rehab.

My fiancee is coming tomorrow to pick me up with my soon to be adapted 3 yr old daughter. I have to get ready.

So I am going to reread this and have a throw down.

Till then.

 

[quickccc]

I am going to come back and drill holes in your boat.

But right now I have to pack my bags.

I am being released from the hospital after 16 months of surgery and rehab.

My fiancee is coming tomorrow to pick me up with my soon to be adapted 3 yr old daughter. I have to get ready.

So I am going to reread this and have a throw down.

Till then.

Really ?
Seriously,.. Good luck with everything.

 

[Mr_437]

Doesn't matter if Jerry is telling the new DC who to play.

 

[conner01]

I actually like tge list of college guys listed on page 1.
I really am about no more rehashing the same old faces. I want fresh ideas and a new energy . If I had to go with a nfl guy then maybe gus bradley....

I prefer a young guy with pro experience
Just respect your opinion so was curious about your thoughts

 

[KingintheNorth]

Doesn't matter if Jerry is telling the new DC who to play.

Good point.

 

[Hawkeye0202]

and the Jones would not like the idea of a unproven, new name DC either - though that eliminates the prospects of a young emerging types like Niners' Robert Salehor
or Rams Brandon Staley coming here on the scene.

Just like their HC, they want to be on a path of hitting the ground running and be already established.

+1.....100% confident they DO NOT wanna another wasted year, especially with the kind of money they're paying Dak. I'm thinking a seasoned DC with a proven track record of success. As of now, Marvin Lewis or Zim ( if he's fired ) are my top choices with Marvin having a slight edge coz he's spent the last few years at the college ranks. That can be invaluable during the draft time, especially mid to lower rounds. Another thing about Marvin is he has a history of handling players with shady backgrounds ( Pacman, a LBer, can't think of his name).

 

[Fmart322]

Marvin Lewis can definitely coach defense.

 

[Corso]

I am going to come back and drill holes in your boat.

But right now I have to pack my bags.

I am being released from the hospital after 16 months of surgery and rehab.

My fiancee is coming tomorrow to pick me up with my soon to be adapted 3 yr old daughter. I have to get ready.

So I am going to reread this and have a throw down.

Till then.

What?!

 

[unionjack8]

I prefer a young guy with pro experience
Just respect your opinion so was curious about your thoughts

Sadly I have no faith in the guys making the choices...

 

[conner01]

Sadly I have no faith in the guys making the choices...

Sadly I agree
I think in today’s game you need young innovative guys who can relate to players
Jerry values old guys for some reason and honestly I didn’t want MM or Nolan because to me neither have shown they can change games with their schemes, game planning or innovation

 

[dreghorn2]

The only thing i'll say about Lewis is the two most ferocious defenses i've seen in the last 15 or 20 years he had a hand in.

That totally dominant Baltimore squad and the Bengals team that used to go to war with the Steelers back in the day. Remember Vontaze Burfict, Lewis never attempted to reel him in. Got to respect that.

 

[Portnoy1]

Just me, but I don't trust Belichick assistants. Most have a bad track record......

However his son, Steve Belichick as gotten some praise from around the league, even from Bill. He's currently the Pats co-defensive coor.

I don't want any player or coach that comes from the Pats much less one that came directly from billys loins. I deeply respect the Pats, but if Belicheck isn't directly involved I'll pass, cause his guys are trash