Zeke and Pollard

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Tale of Two Backs 2019-2020 seasons

Zeke “Super Chunk” Elliott
512 carries
5 20+ yard runs
0 40+ yard runs

Frank “The Ancient” Gore
393 carries
4 20+ yard runs
1 40+ yard runs
 
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Pollard was great but he only rushed the ball 13 times. Although Zeke gets tired a lot, he is still capable of getting 25+ touches a game.
Yea.. TP basically had a good 1st quarter than disappeared totally until one big run with the game over.
He had 41 yards with 2 mins left in the game and realistically had very little to do with the outcome but people like Marcus Mosher who hate Zeke pretend he carried us all game.
It's pretty clear you would love to expand TP's role and reduce Zeke's if you are Dallas to get the full benefit of both... especially since it is far cheaper to keep Zeke then cut/trade him.

Can you imagine us cutting Zeke than facing him with this run defense? ROFL. He's go for 200 yards and knock like 3 defenders out with concussions. And we'd eat enomlous dead money for him to do so.

A bad contract is a bad contract. Ignore it and get the best out of the player you can. Like all other NFL contracts it won't last long.
 

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Yea.. TP basically had a good 1st quarter than disappeared totally until one big run with the game over.
He had 41 yards with 2 mins left in the game and realistically had very little to do with the outcome but people like Marcus Mosher who hate Zeke pretend he carried us all game.
It's pretty clear you would love to expand TP's role and reduce Zeke's if you are Dallas to get the full benefit of both... especially since it is far cheaper to keep Zeke then cut/trade him.

Can you imagine us cutting Zeke than facing him with this run defense? ROFL. He's go for 200 yards and knock like 3 defenders out with concussions. And we'd eat enomlous dead money for him to do so.

A bad contract is a bad contract. Ignore it and get the best out of the player you can. Like all other NFL contracts it won't last long.


Try looking at what Zeke has done in over half his games when you take out his longest run of the game: he is at or below 3 YPC in every one of those games so I guess that means you think Zeke disappears often too.
 

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You mean like when zeke had his longest run of the year which was 26 yards against Cincinnati? He “averaged” 4 ypc that game but without that one run his average would have been ~2.2 ypc.

When people pointed that out, zeke’s defenders and Ronnie, were quick to jump on them and say you can’t discount those runs, it’s still part of the average, yadda yadda yadda but now that same reasoning doesn’t apply to Pollard just a week later?

More zeke defender hypocrisy at its finest.

If you'll read all my posts, I was not saying that Zeke's performance was sparkling this year, it's that some people are saying Pollard should be the starter instead of Zeke, even though he's not "set the league on fire" either.

Again like I've said, this year is all screwed up, Covid, Smith out all but two games, Collins out all year, Jarwin out all year essentially, Dak out most of the year, Diggs out a lot, and on and on. To say Zeke should be cast aside because of this year is being way too hasty of a judgment.

Let's not take out our frustrations with Jerry and the current 5-9 season on our players during this unusual year....
 

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Nice day overall for Pollard. But his average per carry of 5.75 is misleading. "Average" has different measures, statistically. The 5.75 is more precisely the "mean", there's also "median" and "mode". Of course the mean is used for comparison among running backs, over the course of even a Dorsett's career, let alone Emmitt's, trying to figure the median and mode would give way too many numbers.

Commonly even to get a "true" mean, you take all the raw numbers and remove the highest and the lowest, and then compute the mean. Pollard had 12 carries for 69 yards, removing the 40 yard high and his zero yard low (if I didn't miss one of his runs), you have 10 carries for 29 yards, or a 2.9 carry. That's not good.

Has Zeke had some of those games? Sure, every back has. And this is only one game as a starter for Pollard, that's obviously not enough data to make a valid judgement as to his ability. But the really hard core Zeke detractors will say Pollard is better than Zeke, should be the starter, etc. Since we have only this one game so far, what you have is insufficient information to determine that, but again taking this one game, Pollard hasn't shown that.

Next year, barring a lengthy injury or illness to Pollard, we should be able to make a better determination. And the contract doesn't enter into it, Zeke will get paid next year one way or the other, not talking about "worth" here, just the ability to help the Cowboys win SBs...

What’s being missed in this attempt at “playing with numbers” is that removing the outliers benefit only Zeke.

Why?

Because Zeke doesn’t break any long runs aka “outliers.”

Big plays or flipping the field are part of what an elite back should be able to do. An occasional long run would help to buoy his poor YPC.
 

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Kamara’s best work is as a receiver too..

That’s the type of back he compares too..


If Saquon Barkley has that game yesterday the NFL world would be freaking out l.

I was going to post the same thought about Kamara.

Giants are in a tough spot with Barkley. He is injury prone and coming off a torn ACL. He wants paid. He doesn’t pass protect. He mostly does little in the game but maybe one or two splash plays and 20 plays of 2 yards or less. Can’t break tackles. Hope he holds out and the Giants pay him $15M/year. Fans love Barkley.
 

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Try looking at what Zeke has done in over half his games when you take out his longest run of the game: he is at or below 3 YPC in every one of those games so I guess that means you think Zeke disappears often too.
Look man I'm trying to give you runway because are a vet and I thank you for your service but you are gonna have to come with salient points.
Zeke is heading a very bad direction and 99% of all RB follow this pattern. He's lost a step and lacks explosion. He's no longer hurdling people and is a plodder and grinder.
BUT Zeke takes insane amounts of snaps and delivers in the passing game both as receiver and blocker.
He's a straight up plow for short yardage where he drags guys a yard or two after contact.
He's averaging 17 carries a game and that's with being banged up and at times benched for fumbling.
He's been bad but he hasn't disappeared.

Tony Pollard had 11 carries for 29 yards with 3 minutes left in that game. That's a whole 2.6 yards per carry.
The team had stopped calling plays to him after featuring for a stretch early.
What yesterday showed was 2 things.
1. TP isn't ready to be a bellcow back.
2. This OL can't really run block.

Most people knew those things prior to yesterday but didn't want to have facts interrupt their agenda.
 

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No matter what this board is always looking for opposition to argue with SMH. You play them both, it's not a difficult concept...there have been too many thunder n lighting duos in the NFL for y'all to just want one guy.
Precisely.
On a team with like 10 wide open positions RB is one that is settled minus potentially a 3rd RB if they can beat out Dowdle.
It's too costly to cut Zeke in a cap year where restructuring makes far more sense.
And minus Zeke the team ran for a whopping 87 yards with 40 of that coming on a defeated SF team with less than 3 minutes left.
 

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Look man I'm trying to give you runway because are a vet and I thank you for your service but you are gonna have to come with salient points.
Zeke is heading a very bad direction and 99% of all RB follow this pattern. He's lost a step and lacks explosion. He's no longer hurdling people and is a plodder and grinder.
BUT Zeke takes insane amounts of snaps and delivers in the passing game both as receiver and blocker.
He's a straight up plow for short yardage where he drags guys a yard or two after contact.
He's averaging 17 carries a game and that's with being banged up and at times benched for fumbling.
He's been bad but he hasn't disappeared.

Tony Pollard had 11 carries for 29 yards with 3 minutes left in that game. That's a whole 2.6 yards per carry.
The team had stopped calling plays to him after featuring for a stretch early.
What yesterday showed was 2 things.
1. TP isn't ready to be a bellcow back.
2. This OL can't really run block.

Most people knew those things prior to yesterday but didn't want to have facts interrupt their agenda.

Zeke:
14 carries for 34 yards (2.43 YPC) in Week 3
18 carries for 51 yards (2.83 YPC) in Week 9
10 carries for 32 yards (3.2 YPC) in Week 12

We can never make an argument about Zeke inflating his YPC because of “one big run” can we? But folks are now stupefyingly trying to criticize Pollard for this?

Shuddup.
 

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I was going to post the same thought about Kamara.

Giants are in a tough spot with Barkley. He is injury prone and coming off a torn ACL. He wants paid. He doesn’t pass protect. He mostly does little in the game but maybe one or two splash plays and 20 plays of 2 yards or less. Can’t break tackles. Hope he holds out and the Giants pay him $15M/year. Fans love Barkley.


Barkley was a dumb pick.. I said that on draft day.
 

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Zeke has been a great mentor and tutor for Pollard!!!
Thank you Zeke!!! :muttley:
Come on bruh!!!

It's funny how Cowboy fans don't think the rest of the NFL players will figure out Tony Pollard. Plus, we were playing the 49ers injury plagued and playing poor.

Zeke is RB1. It will take a whole lot more than a good game to erase supplant Zeke
 

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Zeke has been struggling even with a healthy o-line. He doesn't show any elite speed, I doubt Dallas would have drafted him in the Top 5 playing the way he is has been playing the last few years.

We don't need to pay a guy $15M not to be an impact player.
 

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Zeke is the starter and will be for years.
Too bad some fane are too blind to see that, and do not want to admit it.

I really hope this is not true. Zeke is on a decline. I dont want that for years. I mean every year will get worse.

Zeke is not the kind of player that will have bounce back years. He is not built that way. He is not energized to get in the best shape possible to do that. Zeke is content.

I believe you are wrong on this. I could definitely see Dallas moving on from zeke, and I definitely dont see Zeke staying here for years in his condition.
 

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I really hope this is not true. Zeke is on a decline. I dont want that for years. I mean every year will get worse.

Zeke is not the kind of player that will have bounce back years. He is not built that way. He is not energized to get in the best shape possible to do that. Zeke is content.

I believe you are wrong on this. I could definitely see Dallas moving on from zeke, and I definitely dont see Zeke staying here for years in his condition.

So why aren't you an NFL scout then, since you have Zeke's future figured out. :rolleyes:
 

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You seem upset that Zeke is stinking. Why? He is easily replaceable.

Not upset, it is a down year for the entire team. And he is NOT easily replaceable, not with Pollard.
What gets me is the constant hate fans have toward the best player on the team. Though CeeDee is moving up that list.
 
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