Cowboys 1996-2020

[dckid]

And hence, he does not care about winning.. he can talk all her wants and spend the allotted salary cap money which all respectable owners do. But actions speak louder than words, and remaining GM along with him son after 25 freaking years with nothing to show for it says all you need to know about his goal. He has put his ego ahead of success. Simple as that. Started with booting Jimmy out and still going.

100% agree. We are stuck in an unfortunate flywheel that I don't know how we are going to break out of.

 

[dckid]

Then Jerry doesn't really want to win. What he doesn't understand is that he DID get credit for the championships. He was the owner who hired Jimmy Johnson and I'm sure he played a small part in helping to build the roster. The owner ALWAYS gets some credit when their franchise wins a championship. Do you think Robert Kraft doesn't get any credit for everything NE has accomplished over the past 20 plus years? You're damn right he does.

What Jerry wants credit for is being the sole person responsible for the whole damn thing, from building the roster to hiring the entire coaching staff and having a hand in scouting. His problem is he just doesn't have the skills to get it done the right way. In short, he sucks at it and always will.

The person who truly wants to win puts all that selfish garbage aside and does what is necessary.

I think Jerry's responsibility during the Jimmy era, was being the draft room, talking to the pick and asking them to join the Dallas Cowboys.
I think Jimmy let him have some of that experience, because if you all remember he was one of the first owners to come on the sidelines and mingle with the players. We loved Jerry in 1990,1991 when this team was up and coming, he didn't worry about spending money to sign Novacek, Thomas Everett, bringing in Haley.

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

I disagree. Jerry absolutely wants to win. He's got plenty of money. I reject the idea that he is putting profit in front of winning. Winning would bring even more profit! The team is generally spending the full salary cap each season, so there is no financial advantage to losing.

The problem is his ego. He also wants to play GM, and he clearly sucks at it. He is delusional, and fails to realize his shortcomings in this role.

I don't think he does it purposly, its just his nature....he likes sizzle, being talk of the town, having packed stadium etc. he is a businessman...and as the GM, the businessman in him over rules him....I think that attitude has not become embedded part of our culture.....we think in those terms, that's why we have picked so many good Offensive players, they sell jerseys, they are exciting, but fail on defense so misreably as an organization. compare the past 15 years drafts on offense vs. defense.....we have perhaps one impact defensive player but so many on offense.....even last year picking CD......I love CD, I really do, but if on your board CD and Chaisson were close as you had evaluated and ranked them and your biggest need is on defense, then you trade down or you pick chaisson. now it happens so that chaisson didn't do so well....but that's hindsight 2020...or luck....my point is the organizational philosophy. we got CD. even when we had dak and the offense humming, the defense giving up 36 points per game...that's called going nowhere fast....

another example was a few years back, jerry was ready to pick manziel, he said I had the card and ready to hand it in, he was thinking about how many jerseys he would sell in texas alone, given Manziel would be on the bench for several years....his son had to "tackle" him for us to take Martin...

the problem is the conflict within Jerry as a business man and as a GM...the businessman always wins

 

[dckid]

Yawn!!!!

You can yawn all you want but can’t seem to realize what has been happening.

 

[dckid]

I was two weeks away from getting my drivers license when we won Super Bowl XXX. I’m freaking 40 now. I never would have believed we could go 25 years with no success back then.

Tell me about it I am a couple of years older than you. Generation lost by the Cowboys.

 

[Shane612]

The Cowboys record from 1996-2020 208 wins , 192 losses. 8 games above .500
The proof is in the pudding. We have become a mediocre average team that has lived on reputation for 25 plus years.
Forget SB wins we have not even been close to making a Championship game.
This is what Jerry wants, these are the results Jerry is happy with. He and the front office don't care about winning a SB. They care about making as much money as possible, and I don't begrudge him for that at all.
Jerry cares about the sizzle not the steak. He wants the team to be .500, a game above a game below it really does not matter to him.
As long as they are in a playoff run, talking heads are going crazy, Zeke, Dak, Romo, Dware, Lawrence.. 3-4 nationally televised games. Jerry is a pig in mud. His face is plastered on TV, Jerry world was packed.
You all probably are sick of me... ( I know some of you are). Jerry has three rings, is a HOF, bought the team for 150 million now its worth over 5.5 billion. A SB is the least of his concerns.
Let other teams worry about that. He doesn't care that this is the same organization that a 20 year run of being a winning team. This team made 8 of the first 30 Super Bowls.
He does not care about winning another SB. Even though I realize that and have 100% belief I still get frustrated and upset more than I should.
I know signing Dak to 40 per year is cap hell, the upside and downside are about the same. We get a Goff, Wentz, Kirk Cousins type QB, we will go 7-9 through 9-7 and that is all Jerry cares about. As Feynman said. "Don't fool yourself as you are the easiest to fool". I am fooling my self as a fan into thinking this FO actually has a plan.
This organization cannot recognize its own strengths and weaknesses. They don't take the logical step to try and improve.
We are most likely headed for another generation of being mediocre. The title of Americas team will be long gone, we will be almost two generations from being a contender.
Just some sobering links:
https://www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/dal/index.htm

That's all great and all...but wouldn't winning a couple of SBs in those 25 years given him even more of what he really wants, money and fame?
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BTW, your post didn't need to be that long.

 

[Ranching]

You can yawn all you want but can’t seem to realize what has been happening.

We haven't won!!! That was easy! Go ahead and keep crying and being miserable. That's you're right.

 

[rnr_honeybadger]

Why'd you stop at 1996? If you were smart, you'd start at 200 to make a better point.

If you're going to pick dumb, arbitrary data sets, at least do so that it skews as much to your point as it can.

Because 1995 was when the Cowboys won their last title and the transition to mediocrity began.

 

[dckid]

That's all great and all...but wouldn't winning a couple of SBs in those 25 years given him even more of what he really wants, money and fame?
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BTW, your post didn't need to be that long.

Appreciate your comments. This team is forever stuck in mediocrity. Jerry doesn't want to be 1-15 again as the team would be irrelevant. He has just found the magic formula, where the name is bigger than the product it puts on the field. Being relevant is better than being the SB winner. He would rather cut off his nose despite his face. He really doesn't care. Only three ownership groups have more SB's than him.
The Steelers & Pats & Giants. Niners had an ownership change. Jerry has three since 1989, actually since 89 only the Pats have more rings than him. So in his eyes he is still a success, the second best why should he change anything he does?
We are destined for another generation of forgettable teams.

 

[Future]

Because 1995 was when the Cowboys won their last title and the transition to mediocrity began.

So in other words, arbitrary. Or selective, whichever.

You can paint an ugly picture for every team if you leave out the years that they're actually good lol. What are the 9ers since their last title? Bears? Vikings? It's a pointless exercise.

 

[dckid]

Why'd you stop at 1996? If you were smart, you'd start at 200 to make a better point.

If you're going to pick dumb, arbitrary data sets, at least do so that it skews as much to your point as it can.

Lol, I am not massaging or picking specific data sets. This is the plain facts from our last SB team.
Interpret the data as you like. The Cowboys are a logo only, there is no more tradition. Winning is not part of this teams DNA. Winning a SB is not even a priority. The Jones family does not care about SB's. They just want to ride this wave that seems to never end.
Generate the most revenue possible. Be the middle of the pack is what Jerry now aspires to be.

 

[ICP]

I don't think it's that they don't want to win a SB as I'm sure they would make a ton of extra cash doing so. The problem is that Jerry & Son just don't know how to run a franchise successfully.

 

[dckid]

So in other words, arbitrary. Or selective, whichever.

You can paint an ugly picture for every team if you leave out the years that they're actually good lol. What are the 9ers since their last title? Bears? Vikings? It's a pointless exercise.

See this statement from you proves that you are not fully looking at my point. I no longer even judge this team by Super Bowls, as their can only be one winner every year.
We have not been good enough to even get to a championship game since 1996, we have not even been good enough to complete to play for a SB.
The Niners have actually gone to two SB's. Vikings have never won a SB so they are irrelevant to me and they have been to at least two championship games since we last did.
The Bears went to a SB since we have been, and again they don't have the same NFL SB era tradition we do.

 

[Future]

Lol, I am not massaging or picking specific data sets. This is the plain facts from our last SB team..

Using the last SB team as the cutoff is, very specifically, picking a specific data set lol.

 

[dckid]

Using the last SB team as the cutoff is, very specifically, picking a specific data set lol.

So what should be the date we judge the team on? Last 10 years? Since the 2011 CBA, Since Manning & Brady started playing?
This team has been good by any metric? We are the Dallas Cowboys, Jerry can't use this Americas team moniker and then be 8 games above .500 over a 26 year period.
I openly admit we are the equivalent of the WFT & Lions... the two other teams who have not made a championship game during this same time period. We are not America's team... There is nothing behind the curtain, The Emperor has no clothes.
The NFL should take over this franchise and say Jerry has damaged the brand beyond repair.... ( yes I am being sarcastic)

 

[dckid]

I don't think it's that they don't want to win a SB as I'm sure they would make a ton of extra cash doing so. The problem is that Jerry & Son just don't know how to run a franchise successfully.

You know I believed that also, but the proof is in what the ownership group actually does. Results over 25 years are obvious. Yes we could have gotten a break here or there. Romo not fumbling, or the Dez catching going our way. 25 years of results will not flip by two plays.
Certain teams build to win a SB as their yearly goal.
Bill Walsh once said... i will paraphrase, every year you are really only competing with 5-7 teams to win a SB. Teams that want to win are very obvious.

 

[Future]

So what should be the date we judge the team on? Last 10 years? Since the 2011 CBA, Since Manning & Brady started playing?
This team has been good by any metric? We are the Dallas Cowboys, Jerry can't use this Americas team moniker and then be 8 games above .500 over a 26 year period.
I openly admit we are the equivalent of the WFT & Lions... the two other teams who have not made a championship game during this same time period. We are not America's team... There is nothing behind the curtain, The Emperor has no clothes.
The NFL should take over this franchise and say Jerry has damaged the brand beyond repair.... ( yes I am being sarcastic)

If you're making it about Jerry, then start with when Jerry took over the team. It's a very different picture.

 

[dckid]

If you're making it about Jerry, then start with when Jerry took over the team. It's a very different picture.

Ok man no point having this discussion with you. You have a narrative you are stuck on and no matter what I say you will never change your mind. You are stuck in Jerry’s gravity. Ignorance is bliss

 

[ICP]

You know I believed that also, but the proof is in what the ownership group actually does. Results over 25 years are obvious. Yes we could have gotten a break here or there. Romo not fumbling, or the Dez catching going our way. 25 years of results will not flip by two plays.
Certain teams build to win a SB as their yearly goal.
Bill Walsh once said... i will paraphrase, every year you are really only competing with 5-7 teams to win a SB. Teams that want to win are very obvious.

Again, I just think that A) They don't know how to do this and B) The culture that is fostered around this team by Jerry and Company is detrimental to winning and seems to create players that don't perform after big paydays. C) there's no front office accountability (This is a HUGE one). You very well could be right but I just imagine that they would rather win as it would create more money. Another problem I think the Cowboys have is too many casual fans. Fans that just buy into whatever Jerry is feeding them. IMHO what needs to happen is that fans quit buying memorabilia and going to games and show that what this team has been dishing out the past 25+ years is unacceptable. In other words, hit Jerry in the pocketbook.

 

[Darkhound]

The Cowboys record from 1996-2020 208 wins , 192 losses. 8 games above .500
The proof is in the pudding. We have become a mediocre average team that has lived on reputation for 25 plus years.
Forget SB wins we have not even been close to making a Championship game.
This is what Jerry wants, these are the results Jerry is happy with. He and the front office don't care about winning a SB. They care about making as much money as possible, and I don't begrudge him for that at all.
Jerry cares about the sizzle not the steak. He wants the team to be .500, a game above a game below it really does not matter to him.
As long as they are in a playoff run, talking heads are going crazy, Zeke, Dak, Romo, Dware, Lawrence.. 3-4 nationally televised games. Jerry is a pig in mud. His face is plastered on TV, Jerry world was packed.
You all probably are sick of me... ( I know some of you are). Jerry has three rings, is a HOF, bought the team for 150 million now its worth over 5.5 billion. A SB is the least of his concerns.
Let other teams worry about that. He doesn't care that this is the same organization that a 20 year run of being a winning team. This team made 8 of the first 30 Super Bowls.
He does not care about winning another SB. Even though I realize that and have 100% belief I still get frustrated and upset more than I should.
I know signing Dak to 40 per year is cap hell, the upside and downside are about the same. We get a Goff, Wentz, Kirk Cousins type QB, we will go 7-9 through 9-7 and that is all Jerry cares about. As Feynman said. "Don't fool yourself as you are the easiest to fool". I am fooling my self as a fan into thinking this FO actually has a plan.
This organization cannot recognize its own strengths and weaknesses. They don't take the logical step to try and improve.
We are most likely headed for another generation of being mediocre. The title of Americas team will be long gone, we will be almost two generations from being a contender.
Just some sobering links:
https://www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/dal/index.htm

Quiet.... or some lunatic naive fools here will call you a Troll.
Remember we are not a mediocre team! We are winners!