Once Again, Dalton folds in a big game

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Romo had won some playoff games as well but still was labeled as a choker. It could be argued that the big game in 2018 was against the Rams, where they game planned against Dak. Dak worked hard and in 2019 was able to overcome some of the flaws he had in 2018. But still Cowboys, Dak, Romo, and so forth haven't had playoffs success since the 90's. I mean its been so long since the cowboys have been a successful franchise that now some of you guys are thinking that 1 win in the playoffs is a success and something to brag about, whereas others think that going deep into the playoffs is success. You were putting down Dalton, but to me Dak hasn't won the big games either, but then you guys seem to be acting like he is clutch, winning them all the time. So who is spinning?
exactly, game plans , play calling, game mgmt all matter , and they have factored into all the playoff losses, and the game with the giants, but people here
ignore that, and blame players.
Over all dalton did a good job, with what he had to work with, but dropped passes and bad coaching is hard to overcome.

just another fact, Andy had 7 carries for 48 yds and he was the leading rusher for dallas lol.
That should tell you something is wrong with coaching and oc when a non running qb is the teams leading rusher !
and he had to throw 47 times. show me any qb with those stats that won the game.
 
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is that a threat? shoot a flea...what in the heck that has to do with anything!!!! dude...relax

and he has won his share of big games. and lost some big games....yes, philly in 2019 in week 16...and his amount of big meaningful wins are not far and few in between. he went 7-1 in 2018...just two years ago. but I guess the world started in 2019, nothing before matters.

I guess if it’s a flea they would be threatened. Lol....merely a reference to this “ relax” thing you have going which is pretty comical

But where and when we’re these big wins? Has he gotten us to an NFC championship game?

I must have missed that.....in reality he hasn’t done a damn thing meaningful.....but like I have said before, the FO has spoken very clearly on their feelings for Dakota....Franchised, with extreme prejudice. That’s a fact

F-r-a-n-c-h-i-s-e-d........as in not signed long term like Antonio Romero Romo was.
 

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what an idiot. Dalton played with backup backups on the offensive line. Only reason he did as good as he did was his ability to get the ball out fast.
 

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And he STILL crapped the bed against a mediocre defense in a must-win game.
 

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And he STILL crapped the bed against a mediocre defense in a must-win game.

Dakota sure did crap the bed. Must win game against the Eagles for the division and he couldn’t generate even 1 Touchdown last season.......fact

At least the present crapper isn’t demanding 40 million per......and that’s the difference
 

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Romo had won some playoff games as well but still was labeled as a choker. It could be argued that the big game in 2018 was against the Rams, where they game planned against Dak. Dak worked hard and in 2019 was able to overcome some of the flaws he had in 2018. But still Cowboys, Dak, Romo, and so forth haven't had playoffs success since the 90's. I mean its been so long since the cowboys have been a successful franchise that now some of you guys are thinking that 1 win in the playoffs is a success and something to brag about, whereas others think that going deep into the playoffs is success. You were putting down Dalton, but to me Dak hasn't won the big games either, but then you guys seem to be acting like he is clutch, winning them all the time. So who is spinning?
although individual players can choke and not do their job as they could, ala Dalton....I think Dak played a good game against the rams. the defense got shredded that night in the tune of 250 rushing yards. they couldn't stop them. the defense couldn't get off the field, and couldn't hold them back. I expect the offense to score. but not every drive. I expect the defense to make stops. but not every drive. the defense that night couldn't stop the run, get off the field or stop them from scoring. its difficult and unfair to say, hey defense is sucking it, so my expectations are you score every drive. get a TD every drive. oh, you didn't then I am disappointed. in the end, we came close. despite the 250 yards and defense couldn't make a stop one last time.

and one thing we have seen different about Dak, his ability to rise to the occasion and bring the team back. his teammates respond to that. we have seen him improve. now, in 2019, my expectations and predictions before the season was between 6-9 and 9-7 team. a lame duck coach. on the last year of his contract. desparate, desparate moves by forcing Kellen Moore a coach with all of one year experience to be the OC. Jerry on record saying that kellen has control and will report to him on play calling conflicts, etc. defensive coaches fighting on the side line. botched game management after botched game management (minny, NO, NE). the distrust between offense and defense.

it was quite dysfunctional. are we surprised to end up 8-8? in that kind of environment? why everyone puts the entire onus of 2019 on Dak is beyond me. Where is Garrett's Responsibility? Where is Moore Respondibility? where is Jerry's Responsibility? where is defenses responsibility? Where was Zeke's responsibility? everyone clearly pointed the finger at Dak, expecting him to overcome all the organizational short comings. Tell me who could have given same circumstances...we certainly have seen it in other organizations like GB as well.

and Dak hasn't won the big game...is not indication that he can not and will not. if the first 4 years are indication of what future bears, then Peyton Manning was 0-4 in the playoffs. Brees got dumped by his team and Miami said no thanks. his first few years in NO weren't exactly one of celebrations. there is plenty, plenty of other examples...
 

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I guess if it’s a flea they would be threatened. Lol....merely a reference to this “ relax” thing you have going which is pretty comical

But where and when we’re these big wins? Has he gotten us to an NFC championship game?

I must have missed that.....in reality he hasn’t done a damn thing meaningful.....but like I have said before, the FO has spoken very clearly on their feelings for Dakota....Franchised, with extreme prejudice. That’s a fact

F-r-a-n-c-h-i-s-e-d........as in not signed long term like Antonio Romero Romo was.
he hasn't gotten us to NFCCG, but I find it comical that you say he is solely responsible for that and that nobody else in the organization bears any responsibility. I find it funny, that dak detractors keep going back to 2019....a team I had predicted to go 6-9 to 9-7 depending. a team with coaches with one year of contract, endign at the end of 2019, with all indications that its superbowl or bust. Kellen Moore, a coach with all of ONE YEAR experience forced upon garrett and Dak. with Jerry on record saying kellen can go directly to him on any conflicts. defensive coaches fighting on the side line. a team fighting in the locker room. zeke's fumbles....so expectations are that Dak, by himself to overcome all of the organizational dysfunction. and lets not forget how coaches messed up critical calls that cost games against Minn, NE and NO.

and seemingly for Dak detractors NFL started in 2019, because anything before does nto matter. only 2019 and most of the dak detractors focus on one game and one game only, the week 16 game against philly...

so based on your responses. do I assume that your opinion is that all wins/losses are clearly on the QB and nobody else on the team bears any responsibility?
 
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so we just can make up anything we want.....he could have easily split the two defenders that were right in front of him. in fact there was three who met him at the 5. there was another one that was in the top side of screen...

its unbelievable to what lengths you go to defend Dalton's craapy play and now blame CD and his drop for a loss.

good players are able to rise to the occasion...Dalton in the very next play folded...throwing a duck that as a veteran he should have known better not to throw. as soon as he threw it you could see 6 defenders in the endzone and 2 cowboys players....

at 33, 10+ years of NFL experience and making a dumb play like that....

pathetic. really pathetic

What is pathetic is how you are attacking random people as Dak haters. I like Dak a lot and hope he gets resigned at his proper value. But for you to compare a guy that is middle to lower end veteran playing behind a line littered with future beer truck drivers with a guy asking to be paid among the top players in football you are clueless. Dak wants franchise QB money...and his desire for that will limit the team you can be build around him. So if that means we are going to have a crappy defense and he is going to have to outshoot the other team, then so be it.

I don't blame CD for the loss. I posted the crappy defense and the ****** coaching. But your agenda has you screaming at everyone you think dislikes Dak.
 

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Dalton has been average at best during his career, with the biggest issue with him is folding when it counts the most, having some of his absolute worst performances when it counts. he has had his 4 worst performances in his playoff games and was 1-12 in games that mattered...now 1-13.

yesterday he couldn't hit side of a barn in the first half. he couldn't even hit his usual dink and dunk throws. he made all the wrong reads and he held on to the ball way way too long at times leading to sacks....and his last throw was awful, plain bad for a veteran QB...as soon as he threw the ball, I saw 6 blue jersey's in the end zone and my immediate thought was why? why throw a floating duck when you see 6 blue jerseys' in the end zone and only two cowboys players....

in the end, Dalton couldn't beat any starting QBs in the league......

and now, having seen first hand, I am not sure he is even the answer to back up QB spot, if all he is able to do is beat 4-11 teams playing their back up QBs....a back up should be capable of keeping the team competitive, against average and good teams...he was never able to do that....

keeping Dalton is a mistake even as a back up....we could at least keep a low round draft developmental player. Dalton is not even developmental and there is no upside.
They should have put Gilbert in. Develop him. He is more mobile and could have ran with the ball more. Of course in the end it didn’t matter.
 

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They should have put Gilbert in. Develop him. He is more mobile and could have ran with the ball more. Of course in the end it didn’t matter.

Might have been reasonable, however Gilbert has been in the league a long time and has never made it even a steady backup job. There is a reason for that.
 

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Comparing Dak to Daulton is nonsense. One wants 40 million per year. The other can probably be had for 5 million. If you are doing a comparison involving the two it should be Dak versus Andy, Leonard Williams and Bud Dupree.
 

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What is pathetic is how you are attacking random people as Dak haters. I like Dak a lot and hope he gets resigned at his proper value. But for you to compare a guy that is middle to lower end veteran playing behind a line littered with future beer truck drivers with a guy asking to be paid among the top players in football you are clueless. Dak wants franchise QB money...and his desire for that will limit the team you can be build around him. So if that means we are going to have a crappy defense and he is going to have to outshoot the other team, then so be it.

I don't blame CD for the loss. I posted the crappy defense and the ****** coaching. But your agenda has you screaming at everyone you think dislikes Dak.
wow, nice spin in defending Dalton and his ineptness, yet Dak played behind the same OL and produce twice as much. yeah yeah yeah, I know your comeback is we had martin, I guess a RG is the key to any successful offense in the NFL. Gawd knows if you have the best RG you are/should be superbowl bound...right?

and Dak has been and is a top 10 QB. is asking and negotiating market value money for NFL top 10 QBs......and none of you Dak detractors have been able to outline how that contract is going to hinder the team from building.....we already have 7 of the top 7 position contracts on the team, that with Dak's 32M salary on the books.....how many more do you need? this contract value stuff is nothing but an empty excuse for your dislike of Dak and none of you have been able to come up with any "realistic" not pie in the sky plan on how to replace Dak if he is not there. Gawd know Dalton is not the answer. he is incapable of leading anything any more. he barely can beat losing teams and their back up QBs...much less be successful at anything, given he has never had a history of succeeding when it matters.

and the crappy defense is not because of FA...its because we have not drafted well in 15 years......one impact player of sorts in Lawrence in 15 years of defensive drafting. 44 players....first rounders, bunch of second rounders, etc....fix that problem....or are you suggesting we should build a defense through FA? if yes then give me names, give me dollars, give me how.....don't just say something that's pie in the sky wishful thinking, madden NFLish....
 

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Comparing Dak to Daulton is nonsense. One wants 40 million per year. The other can probably be had for 5 million. If you are doing a comparison involving the two it should be Dak versus Andy, Leonard Williams and Bud Dupree.
with andy we will defintley need to build a defense like the Ravens 2001 team, that had 2 first ballot HOFers (drafted) and several highly touted borderline HOFers...if we had 185M in cap space it would be difficult to build a defense like that.....Leonard williams is good. could have been had this year, but our FO is screwed up. they paid the same amount of money to 4 players who were let go in the middle of the season. then defense improved...meaning the players on the team were better than the FA....who the heck does the defensive evaluations in dallas? instead we let Jones go. we could have easily kept Jones and shore up the DB field...... the problem is not being able to sign players. the problem is signing the right players which starts with FO assessing the players abilities correctly.....
 

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what an idiot. Dalton played with backup backups on the offensive line. Only reason he did as good as he did was his ability to get the ball out fast.
so did Dak...your point?

and Andy has been known all his career as a dink and dunk guy....that's why he gets the ball out fast...he just dinks it everywhere.
 

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wow, nice spin in defending Dalton and his ineptness, yet Dak played behind the same OL and produce twice as much. yeah yeah yeah, I know your comeback is we had martin, I guess a RG is the key to any successful offense in the NFL. Gawd knows if you have the best RG you are/should be superbowl bound...right?

and Dak has been and is a top 10 QB. is asking and negotiating market value money for NFL top 10 QBs......and none of you Dak detractors have been able to outline how that contract is going to hinder the team from building.....we already have 7 of the top 7 position contracts on the team, that with Dak's 32M salary on the books.....how many more do you need? this contract value stuff is nothing but an empty excuse for your dislike of Dak and none of you have been able to come up with any "realistic" not pie in the sky plan on how to replace Dak if he is not there. Gawd know Dalton is not the answer. he is incapable of leading anything any more. he barely can beat losing teams and their back up QBs...much less be successful at anything, given he has never had a history of succeeding when it matters.

and the crappy defense is not because of FA...its because we have not drafted well in 15 years......one impact player of sorts in Lawrence in 15 years of defensive drafting. 44 players....first rounders, bunch of second rounders, etc....fix that problem....or are you suggesting we should build a defense through FA? if yes then give me names, give me dollars, give me how.....don't just say something that's pie in the sky wishful thinking, madden NFLish....

Same OL and twice as much....get off the crack
 

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what an idiot. Dalton played with backup backups on the offensive line. Only reason he did as good as he did was his ability to get the ball out fast.
Yeah, to the opposing defense.
 

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so did Dak...your point?

and Andy has been known all his career as a dink and dunk guy....that's why he gets the ball out fast...he just dinks it everywhere.


Dalton had the 3rd fastest release time in the NFL at 2.5 seconds......if you watched the Giants game you will know why: the oline couldn't block anyone.
 
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