Twitter: KC: Dak must reach playoffs consistently if he's paid premium QB money

[Diehardblues]

You shouldn't be depressed. I mean, there is an answer here, you just have to be willing to accept the idea that the path forward could be one that doesn't include Dak. I'm not opposed to signing Dak, I'm just not in favor of doing it at the price of compromising the cap.

What will be, will be......

If an extra 3-5 million a year for our Franchise QB compromises our Cap then I’d look to reevaluate some of our questionable talents who are weighing down our Cap.

Id begin with some who can’t stay on the field or under performing like Tyron, Lee and Jaylon. Im sure there’s others we could consider squeezing in order to find more room under our cap.

Maybe we should have also reconsidered resigning Cooper after using our 1st round pick on a WR. Or resigning our RB with 2 years left on his Rookie deal.

There’s several places we could look to loosen up 3-5 million of Cap space to make room for our Franchise QB if that’s truly the issue here. But I suspect it’s about more than just the money.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

Do I have confidence? Hell no. But I have less in finding another QB. In the end I have less confidence because of our dysfunctional organization. This is probably as good as it gets.

So if you already know that the plan you outline is likely to fail, is that a fair statement, then why base everything on signing Dak? I mean, Dak has not shown that he's the difference. We haven't won anything. We've actually gotten worse so I don't understand why so many insist on paying Dak whatever it is that he and his agent want. Makes zero sense to me.

This season actually shows us that the team can do it in another way, if they only commit to doing the smart things in terms of managing the cap.

With what most fans would call an average QB, at best, we went 4-5 and came close to actually making the playoffs. Now, on that last I don't kid myself. The division sucked and we would have likely done less then nothing in the playoffs but still, ask yourself, what could this team have done if they actually knew the Offensive and Defensive scheme? What could they have done if they hadn't sustained so many injuries to the OL? What could this team do if they had decent talent on the Defensive side of the ball? We could have ran away with the NFC east and probably had a good chance at getting a home game in he playoffs. It doesn't have to be focused on Dak. We can be smarter then that.

If Dak will work with us, then fine, lets sign him and go win football games. If he wants a record deal, then lets just do the smart thing here and move on, rather then committing the team to a bad situation in terms of cap.

That's just how I see it.

 

[Denim Chicken]

How are you going to "create 60 mil" in additional cap space?

For the record, all we've received, IMO, is subpar QB play, over the last few years. What exactly are we really risking?

 

[Diehardblues]

So if you already know that the plan you outline is likely to fail, is that a fair statement, then why base everything on signing Dak? I mean, Dak has not shown that he's the difference. We haven't won anything. We've actually gotten worse so I don't understand why so many insist on paying Dak whatever it is that he and his agent want. Makes zero sense to me.

This season actually shows us that the team can do it in another way, if they only commit to doing the smart things in terms of managing the cap.

With what most fans would call an average QB, at best, we went 4-5 and came close to actually making the playoffs. Now, on that last I don't kid myself. The division sucked and we would have likely done less then nothing in the playoffs but still, ask yourself, what could this team have done if they actually knew the Offensive and Defensive scheme? What could they have done if they hadn't sustained so many injuries to the OL? What could this team do if they had decent talent on the Defensive side of the ball? We could have ran away with the NFC east and probably had a good chance at getting a home game in he playoffs. It doesn't have to be focused on Dak. We can be smarter then that.

If Dak will work with us, then fine, lets sign him and go win football games. If he wants a record deal, then lets just do the smart thing here and move on, rather then committing the team to a bad situation in terms of cap.

That's just how I see it.

I understand and under a normal franchise situation I’d probably agree. But we have anything but a normal situation here.

The same idiots that can’t build a defense we’re relying on them to find our next QB. Lol

 

[Diehardblues]

Most of the arguments I’ve seen against signing Dak is they don’t really believe he’s talented enough to be our Franchise QB. It’s not really about whether it’s 33,35 , 39 or 40 million, etc.

They simply don’t believe his talent level and or performance and results thus far warrant retaining him as our QB.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

We know our QB isn’t committed yet. But I said the supporting cast in offense.

Is it? What are you going to do at LT? What are you going to do with Zeke if he continues to Decline? What are you going to do with Gallup, he is due for a contract. What are you going to do at TE? We have nobody signed long term there. What are you going to do at Backup QB, if you pay Dak, Dalton is gone and we don't have a backup on the roster that we can look to, to win us games IMO. What about injuries, they are going to happen. We are far from set on Offense.

We have won with him. On the brink of a championship appearance on two different occasions which is enough for most franchises to invest. How much is the bigger argument.

No, I don’t know where we are on the Cap. Do you? If so please provide the info.

In the meantime I’ll trust our Football Idiots know and wouldn’t be considering a contract if they didn’t have room.

What exactly have we won? More importantly, over the last few seasons, do you see this team as more capable or better then we were 4 seasons ago, when Dak first arrived here?

Exactly, no I don't but then again, I'm not the one who is pushing for the idea of signing Dak at any price so that question is not really relevant, in terms of what I think or know, wouldn't you agree? I'm in favor of managing the cap and not over spending. The question of cap is not mine to answer. It is for those who favor paying Dak and his agent whatever it is they want.

So again, if I understand you, you have no confidence in this team's ability to find a QB, to make the right personnel decisions but you would have us trust the "Football Idiots" to "know" what they are doing with the cap?

Yeah, I can't say I get that at all.

 

[Denim Chicken]

1st, hypotheticals about “restructuring” is not an answer. It’s just you hoping some player would do it and there’s absolutely no proof anyone would.

Shane, we have routinely restructured contracts every year, and created them as such that they can be restructured, so I don't know why you would think this a hypothetical.

 

[Denim Chicken]

We can if he'll take a longer deal. We cannot if we bow to his weird demands and do a 4 year deal. Why do you think we're holding out for a longer deal? A shorter deal keeps us from winning.

I agree. He needs to take the longer deal.

 

[ShaneFalco]

In THEORY....
LOL.

And just below...not recommended or even probable. LOL.

 

[ShaneFalco]

Shane, we have routinely restructured contracts every year, and created them as such that they can be restructured, so I don't know why you would think this a hypothetical.

Who restructured last year to get Tak to his deal?

 

[Denim Chicken]

Who restructured last year to get Tak to his deal?

Who is Tak?

But to answer your obviously condescending question, Lawrence restructured and created $15mil which was there if they came to an agreement.

https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/...-cap-space-for-future-dak-prescott-extension/

 

[Denim Chicken]

In THEORY....
LOL.

And just below...not recommended or even probable. LOL.

Yes, in theory. Meaning you could if you needed to. Not sure why that's so funny. It literally happens all the time.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

No, it’s not a bad offer. No doubt , reasonable. But he didn’t accept it. If he’s worth 35, is he not worth 38 or 39?

I’d feel better if we simply decided to walk away. But it doesn’t appear to be about whether they want him. Only for how much. Or how long.

So, then IMO it’s not really about some of the discussions many are having here whether they think he’s a legit Franchise QB or if he’s talented enough. It simply comes down to a few million. Less than probably a difference of 5 million a year.

He's not worth 35 IMO but that was what was reportedly offered. So no, he's definitely not worth 38 or 39. I mean, how has that become a real question, I don't get it. I hear these mediots say things like this all the time. Is a guy who has a sub .500 record worth record money? It's not really that hard a question to answer for me but I look at it differently.

I'm not against signing him, I believe that under the right deal, there is a chance for Dak to win here. I believe there is zero chance if we sign the wrong deal. JMO

5 million over 4 years is 20 million. That's roughly 11.4% of the project salary cap for 2021. It's 25 million on a 5 year deal, which would work out to 14.2% and that's above and beyond what the actual offer on the table counts against the cap. What's a few more mil right? What can you buy to help the team with 20 to 25 mil? Take that 25 mil and then think about what the team might be able to do if they are paying out 27 to 30 rather then 35 or 40. What might the team be able to do with that kind of money?

Question, if you have a saw buck on you but the price is 12 dollars, then does it really matter? You don't have 12 dollar, you got 10. That's the answer to the question.

 

[Denim Chicken]

He's not worth 35 IMO but that was what was reportedly offered. So no, he's definitely not worth 38 or 39. I mean, how has that become a real question, I don't get it. I hear these mediots say things like this all the time. Is a guy who has a sub .500 record worth record money? It's not really that hard a question to answer for me but I look at it differently.

I'm not against signing him, I believe that under the right deal, there is a chance for Dak to win here. I believe there is zero chance if we sign the wrong deal. JMO

5 million over 4 years is 20 million. That's roughly 11.4% of the project salary cap for 2021. It's 25 million on a 5 year deal, which would work out to 14.2% and that's above and beyond what the actual offer on the table counts against the cap. What's a few more mil right? What can you buy to help the team with 20 to 25 mil? Take that 25 mil and then think about what the team might be able to do if they are paying out 27 to 30 rather then 35 or 40. What might the team be able to do with that kind of money?

Question, if you have a saw buck on you but the price is 12 dollars, then does it really matter? You don't have 12 dollar, you got 10. That's the answer to the question.

Whatever deal he signs is going to look like peanuts as far as QB contracts go in a few years. This continues to happen every single year.

 

[Hadenough]

I understand . You’re not All In on Dak. I’m not either but what are our options if we want to contend now?

Regardless, what’s most important is how our ownership, front office and coaching perspectives. Are they All In? If they are then should pay him. If not move on. But I’d like to hear what the plan is if we are moving on.

But that’s not where I think our powers that be mindset is. Do you? And that’s all that matters.

I totally agree! Typical of this organization to leave everyone from the QB to the players hanging. To be honest he is the best choice they have and pretty much the only choice. They need to make up their minds and either pay him or let him go.

 

[ShaneFalco]

Yes, in theory. Meaning you could if you needed to. Not sure why that's so funny. It literally happens all the time.

No. It’s a THEORY meaning IF these players wanted to restructure their contracts they could get to a larger number. It’s based on a fantasy.
This is a completely different situation going forward with the uncertainties of next year and the coming years. No agent is restructuring just so Tak can have his contract with no guarantee of getting the money back.
It’s why Taks agent is handling his clients circumstances this way. He knows he gets paid 37.5 fully guaranteed, up front in a very shaky economic situation and DAL doesn’t even have that today. It’s much more lucrative to accept that Tag and get the full amount up front to invest right away.
The guy making these fantasies is even saying they are NOT recommended and are NOT probable.

 

[Denim Chicken]

No. It’s a THEORY meaning IF these players wanted to restructure their contracts they could get to a larger number. It’s based on a fantasy.
This is a completely different situation going forward with the uncertainties of next year and the coming years. No agent is restructuring just so Tak can have his contract with no guarantee of getting the money back.
It’s why Taks agent is handling his clients circumstances this way. He knows he gets paid 37.5 fully guaranteed, up front in a very shaky economic situation and DAL doesn’t even have that today. It’s much more lucrative to accept that Tag and get the full amount up front to invest right away.
The guy making these fantasies is even saying they are NOT recommended and are NOT probable.

Shange, they restructure every year. I just showed you where DLAW did it just last year to clear splace for DAK. I bet they do Cooper's this year and probably Martin.

Also, this comment below make we wonder if you understand how restructures work.

This is a completely different situation going forward with the uncertainties of next year and the coming years. No agent is restructuring just so Tak can have his contract with no guarantee of getting the money back.

 

[ShaneFalco]

Shange, they restructure every year. I just showed you where DLAW did it just last year to clear splace for DAK. I bet they do Cooper's this year and probably Martin.

Shange, they restructure every year. I just showed you where DLAW did it just last year to clear splace for DAK. I bet they do Cooper's this year and probably Martin.

Neato. And there’s still just no proof any of these players will this year. You can “project” all you want, in fantasies, but there’s just no proof.
And Cooper is the only possible player that is even getting Tak to the tag. The rest are window dressing.

 

[CalPolyTechnique]

Dak’s already a Super Bowl winner in the eyes of some Cowboys fans so why go through the formality of actually winning post season games?

 

[Denim Chicken]

Neato. And there’s still just no proof any of these players will this year. You can “project” all you want, in fantasies, but there’s just no proof.
And Cooper is the only possible player that is even getting Tak to the tag. The rest are window dressing.

So explain to me why a player would not want to restructure and get some of their money converted to a signing bonus?

I guess players don't like guaranteed money?