Cap ramifications of tagging and trading Dak?

[USArmyVet]

Does anyone know what they would be?

If Dallas would assign the non-exclusive franchise tag that allows Dak and his agent to negotiate a deal with others teams. If signed by another team that team would have to give Dallas (2) 1st round draft picks (not sure if there is wiggle room there to allow for various draft pick/player combinations). If he signs the non-exclusive franchise tag and does not receive an offer sheet from another team then Dallas would have to pay Dak a 1-year deal that averages the salary of the Top 5 players at his position.

 

[Flamma]

The moment you put the tag in regardless of when he signs it, and unless you rescind the tag, the team has to set aside the cap money for the player regardless of whether the tag is signed or not.

What this means from a cap perspective, if Dak does not sign the tag immediately, is that the Cowboys cannot trade Dak because he is not on their roster, technically, and they would be unable to trade him until he does sign the tag. So if he waits until after FA and after the draft to sign it, then what do you really gain by trading him? You now have a bunch of cap space not worth using on anyone and some much less valuable picks. That is what it means if Dak decides to wait until June to sign the tag, he loses no money, but can tank his trade value.

Ok I see your point. I read through it too fast. Yes, there has to be room for him to sign. Which BTW is going to take some work to accomplish. Cowboys have 10 mil in cap space without Dak for 2021.

 

[fivetwos]

Love debating things that have less than a zero percent shot of happening.

 

[fivetwos]

Ok I see your point. I read through it too fast. Yes, there has to be room for him to sign. Which BTW is going to take some work to accomplish. Cowboys have 10 mil in cap space without Dak for 2021.

Are you sure it's only that?

They did an awful lot of restructure last year to create room to carry over.

I had no idea it was this bad.

If so, there's no way this team can get any better until a year from now whe they can start getting rid of the underperforming contracts.

Of course Jerry isn't going to want to burn another season so there goes more money strung out into the future.

 

[TheMarathonContinues]

I think the bigger question is what incentive does Dak have to help the Cowboys out by doing a sign and trade with them when he's not under contract lol?

 

[Flamma]

Are you sure it's only that?

They did an awful lot of restructure last year to create room to carry over.

I had no idea it was this bad.

If so, there's no way this team can get any better until a year from now whe they can start getting rid of the underperforming contracts.

Of course Jerry isn't going to want to burn another season so there goes more money strung out into the future.

It's 10 million in cap space with an estimated 201 million dollar cap. The cap could be lower. This is without doing anything. Not signing anyone. Not even rookies. So yeah, the Cowboys are definitely not signing big named FAs or anything like that. And the Cowboys will probably be just as bad next year as they were this year.

 

[gjkoeppen]

He is saying declining to sign the tag is essentially a veto for any potential trade. Dak just wouldn't sign the tag unless he wanted to go to that team.

First off there isn't ANYTHING, ZIP, ZERO, NADA, that the Cowboys have any interest in trading Prescott at ANY time. Second if he doesn't sign then he has to sit out until he does and Prescott's character won't allow him to do that. Just admit that your reasoning is really really bad.
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[gjkoeppen]

I think the bigger question is what incentive does Dak have to help the Cowboys out by doing a sign and trade with them when he's not under contract lol?

I keep telling these bozos that the Cowboys can't even try to initiate a trade until Prescott sign either his tag off or a long term contract. All the tag offer does is guarantee the Cowboys exclusive negotiating rights with Prescott. Only players who are actually under some kind of contract whether it's a tag offer or a long term contract can be traded or even initiate any trade talks.
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[jaythecowboy]

First off there isn't ANYTHING, ZIP, ZERO, NADA, that the Cowboys have any interest in trading Prescott at ANY time. Second if he doesn't sign then he has to sit out until he does and Prescott's character won't allow him to do that. Just admit that your reasoning is really really bad.
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First of all, it isn't "my reasoning". I was just explaining what another poster said. Second, Dak already did it...last year. He didn't sign the tag until June 22. That is well after free agency and the draft.

 

[gjkoeppen]

You dont understand what that truly means. He can wait to sign a tag until a team he wants to go to makes an offer and outright say "I will not sign the tag until Training Camp unless either the Cowboys make me an offer or teams x, y, and z make an offer".

What you and others don't get is when an exclusive franchise tag is offered but not signed yet the Cowboys can not initiaite any type of trade talks to trade that player nor can any other team try to interfere with or contact that team about a possible trade. No other team can make any offers for a trade until the player signs the tag offer. A player given an exclusive franchise tag off GUARANTEES that team EXCLUSIVE negotiating rights that no other team can interfere with in any way. So what you're trying wrongly to explain CAN'T HAPPEN.
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[Ranching]

Does anyone know what they would be?

The ramifications would be that @PAPPYDOG would hyperventilate with elation and run around the block in his birthday suit and then strut down the halls at work. @America's Cowboy would dress like Rambo and Jerry would have to take out a restraining order against him.

 

[gjkoeppen]

First of all, it isn't "my reasoning". I was just explaining what another poster said. Second, Dak already did it...last year. He didn't sign the tag until June 22. That is well after free agency and the draft.

The way you started your comment and I'll quote you "You dont understand what that truly means.", implies that you agree with what was said. Now if you didn't you might have said I don't agree with this but this is what he was trying to say. It doesn't matter when Prescott signed his tag last season, it in no way shape or form means that he has any kind of veto power on any possible trade that won't ever happen or can demand X,Y or Z team make an offer he likes.
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[jaythecowboy]

The way you started your comment and I'll quote you "You dont understand what that truly means.", implies that you agree with what was said. Now if you didn't you might have said I don't agree with this but this is what he was trying to say. It doesn't matter when Prescott signed his tag last season, it in no way shape or form means that he has any kind of veto power on any possible trade that won't ever happen or can demand X,Y or Z team make an offer he likes.
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First off there isn't ANYTHING, ZIP, ZERO, NADA, that the Cowboys have any interest in trading Prescott at ANY time. Second if he doesn't sign then he has to sit out until he does and Prescott's character won't allow him to do that. Just admit that your reasoning is really really bad.
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When I said it wasn't my reasoning, I was responding to your assertion that the Cowboys wouldn't trade Dak. I wasn't saying the Cowboys would trade Dak. I was saying how it would work if that was the route they took. Explaining how a trade would work is not the same as endorsing a trade. Nothing in your original response to me was about the machinations of the trade. You posted that the Cowboys wouldn't trade Dak, and that Dak wouldn't sit out. Those two assertions were why I have that response.

That being said I do believe such a trade is possible (not that the Cowboys would do it). Exclusivity means that the player can't negotiate with other teams but the Cowboys can waive that to facilitate a trade.

The way it would work is :
1. Cowboys and another team discuss trade and come to an agreement on compensation.

2. The Cowboys allow Dak and that team to discuss a potential contract.

3. Once Dak and the team agree to a tentative contract, the Cowboys execute the trade they agreed to with the other team.

4. Dak and the team finalize the deal they agreed to.

 

[gjkoeppen]

Are you sure it's only that?

They did an awful lot of restructure last year to create room to carry over.

I had no idea it was this bad.

If so, there's no way this team can get any better until a year from now whe they can start getting rid of the underperforming contracts.

Of course Jerry isn't going to want to burn another season so there goes more money strung out into the future.

Please list all of those contracts that were restructured last year. Funny thing, not ha ha funny, that the Cowboys sat in cap he11 for 2 decades because of restructuring contracts every year until Stephen took over doing contracts and stopped that vicious cycle. Since then he's done it VERY sparingly. Most of that room on the cap was from not signing or letting player go to other teams or retiring in the case of Frederick. They let Witten, Olawale, Austin, Devin Smith, Charlton, Jones and probably a few more that I've forgotten to walk and go to other teams. Then they signed bargain basement players with cheap contracts that left what they have in cap space. That's why they have about 25 mil in carryover for this year.
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[LatinMind]

Does anyone know what they would be?

They tag him and it marks on 38mil on the cap.

They can trade him if he signs the tag or if he doesnt but there are differences.

If he doesnt sign the tag they can trade him but he can void the trade.
If he signs they can trade him to whoever.

Once traded Daks entire 38mil comes off the books.

 

[jaythecowboy]

D Law and Zack Martin are the two I know were restructured. I thought there was a third but maybe not.

https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/...-space-for-future-dak-prescott-extension/amp/

www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/cowboys-restructure-zack-martin-contract-creating-cap-space-to-roll-over-into-2021-for-dak-prescott/amp/

 

[gjkoeppen]

When I said it wasn't my reasoning, I was responding to your assertion that the Cowboys wouldn't trade Dak. I wasn't saying the Cowboys would trade Dak. I was saying how it would work if that was the route they took. Explaining how a trade would work is not the same as endorsing a trade. Nothing in your original response to me was about the machinations of the trade. You posted that the Cowboys wouldn't trade Dak, and that Dak wouldn't sit out. Those two assertions were why I have that response.

That being said I do believe such a trade is possible (not that the Cowboys would do it). Exclusivity means that the player can't negotiate with other teams but the Cowboys can waive that to facilitate a trade.

The way it would work is :
1. Cowboys and another team discuss trade and come to an agreement on compensation.

2. The Cowboys allow Dak and that team to discuss a potential contract.

3. Once Dak and the team agree to a tentative contract, the Cowboys execute the trade they agreed to with the other team.

4. Dak and the team finalize the deal they agreed to.

A NFL team can ONLY trade a player on their ROSTER. A player that was offered a tag but has not signed it IS NOT on the team's roster. Now for the rules on exclusive franchise tags. Whether signed or not, the team offering the tag has EXCLUSIVE negotiating rights for that player. While the tag is unsigned the team can not initiate any trade talks with any other team for that player. No team can initiate any trade talks to trade for that player. The only thing the Cowboys can do other than try to negotiate a long term contract is to rescind the franchise tag and then Prescott will be free to negotiate with any team he wants.

Now your trade example is technically correct if the tag offer was signed, but since the Cowboys tried before the 2019 season to get a long term contract done and then tried again before last season, all the while proclaiming that Prescott IS their franchise QB for now and in the future, the chances of them now wanting to trade him, especially if Prescott doesn't sign his tag until June again after the draft and not having a QB as good as Prescott and to late to draft one of the lesser QB's at pick #10, forgetting that everyone believes that the Cowboys need to concentrate on Defense, and not have to hope a QB will be there good enough to make everyone forget about Prescott, well the chances of that are about the same as me waking up Wednesday morning and finding out I just won the Mega Millions jackpot.
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[jaythecowboy]

A NFL team can ONLY trade a player on their ROSTER. A player that was offered a tag but has not signed it IS NOT on the team's roster. Now for the rules on exclusive franchise tags. Whether signed or not, the team offering the tag has EXCLUSIVE negotiating rights for that player. While the tag is unsigned the team can not initiate any trade talks with any other team for that player. No team can initiate any trade talks to trade for that player. The only thing the Cowboys can do other than try to negotiate a long term contract is to rescind the franchise tag and then Prescott will be free to negotiate with any team he wants.

Now your trade example is technically correct if the tag offer was signed, but since the Cowboys tried before the 2019 season to get a long term contract done and then tried again before last season, all the while proclaiming that Prescott IS their franchise QB for now and in the future, the chances of them now wanting to trade him, especially if Prescott doesn't sign his tag until June again after the draft and not having a QB as good as Prescott and to late to draft one of the lesser QB's at pick #10, forgetting that everyone believes that the Cowboys need to concentrate on Defense, and not have to hope a QB will be there good enough to make everyone forget about Prescott, well the chances of that are about the same as me waking up Wednesday morning and finding out I just won the Mega Millions jackpot.
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I was never remarking that a trade under those circumstances was likely, just technically feasible. We will just have to agree to disagree there.

 

[gjkoeppen]

They tag him and it marks on 38mil on the cap.

They can trade him if he signs the tag or if he doesnt but there are differences.

If he doesnt sign the tag they can trade him but he can void the trade.
If he signs they can trade him to whoever.

Once traded Daks entire 38mil comes off the books.

You are absolutely wrong on that. If a player hasn't signed a tag offer he is not officially on their roster and only players on a teams roster can be traded. The NFL rules do not allow a team to initiate trade talks or other teams initiate trade talks on a player that has not signed his tag offer.
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[Bigdog]

That is if Dak is given the nonexclusive tag and a team signs him to an offer sheet that the Cowboys decline to match. Not if Dak is traded.

Ok thanks