Dallas is 0-16 the Last 2 Years When They Don't Score 30

[Johnny23]

The offense does not “consistently” get off to slow starts. There were a few games this year but saying consistently is not being fair.

No it's fair especially under Jason Jason Garrett. You're just doing your blind homer thing you do.

 

[Aviano90]

No it's fair especially under Jason Jason Garrett. You're just doing your blind homer thing you do.

What is your definition of slow start and how do our slow starts compare with the rest of the league?

 

[FTWayne]

how much is these catch up points where the team is down.

 

[khiladi]

Or it could mean, Dak can’t win close games. He only wins games against BUM teams that give up a lot of points.

Dak’s ability to win close games is obfuscated by his first season here as a game manager, when Zeke was wearing form defenses. When it comes to the fourth quarter and being down by a TD with four minutes left in particular Dak is below the league average for QBs in terms of rating.

 

[khiladi]

No, I just showed that 16 of the 18 losses---or almost every single one of them-- we DID NOT have to score 30 to win....not even close in most cases..
The exact opposite of what you just said. 16 of 18.

In fact, 6 of them we would've won only scoring over 10....but we couldn't even do that.

Sure, our offense is usually better than the D, but this thread premise is total bull.

It’s pretty obvious many people don’t understand the numbers they are quoting, including these no-namer guys on Twitter that some people have an affinity to quote.

 

[khiladi]

You are changing the context of his point:

He is comparing/contrasting two teams performances over the last two years when the offense doesn't score 30 points (doesn't matter whether the team won or lost which is obvious since KC won 12 of those games). The statistics you provided have turned it in to an evaluation of the Cowboys offensive scoring in the team's losses. Two completely different evaluations.

Now you could argue that his point is insignificant but it is accurate. I believe his point is that when KCs offense doesn't win the game by itself, the defense steps in and helps. I would argue that is a significant point considering football is "a team sport".

Or it could mean, like the numbers show, that Mahomes is phenomenal at winning games against really good teams and Dak is a pretender, who only wins against garbage defenses that give up plenty of points.

 

[khiladi]

https://www.actionnetwork.com/nfl/dak-prescott-clutch-4th-quarter-jerry-jones-cowboys-defense

Here’s how Prescott has done as a passer when down 4-8 points in the final four minutes of games compared to the NFL average since he entered the league in 2016:

• Passer rating: Prescott 70.6 vs. NFL avg 76.5
• Yards per attempt: Prescott 5.9 vs. NFL avg 6.7
• Touchdown rate: Prescott 2.8% vs. NFL avg 4.6%
• Interception rate: Prescott 2.8% vs. NFL avg 3.7%
• Sack rate: Prescott: 7.7% vs. NFL avg 5.3%

That is… not good.

At a point in games when aggressiveness is more acceptable, the only thing Prescott does at an above-average rate is avoid interceptions (well, until the Seattle game). There’s something to be said for living to play another down, but Prescott hasn’t been able to translate his dropbacks into yards or touchdowns in the clutch at even the rate of a league-average passer.

Last year, Dak was 1-6 in 1 score games, besides the fact this article also demonstrates how phenomenal Mahomes is. My favorite part about Dak-stans is that they will then say they aren’t comparing him to Mahomes but the KC defense, while actually comparing him to Mahomes saying Dak does everything, but the defense fails him unlike in KC.


“As for Mahomes, his clutch numbers are on a whole other stratosphere…

• Passer rating: Mahomes 122.6 vs. Prescott 70.6
• Yards per attempt: Mahomes 8.9 vs. Prescott 5.9
• Touchdown rate: Mahomes 8.8% vs. Prescott 2.8%
• Interception rate: Mahomes 0.0% vs. Prescott 2.8%
• Sack rate: Mahomes 1.7% vs. Prescott 7.7%”
  
  

 

[khiladi]

And there is not ONE SINGLE SEASON where Dak has had less than a top 15 scoring defense. In fact, he’s had one ranked sixth in scoring in 2018. A guy like Watson, besides having a garbage OL, has played with a bottom half ranked scoring defense the majority of his career.

 

[Rockport]

Dak could be a better tackler if we are being honest.

He sucks at playing the 1 gap.

 

[Rockport]

No it's fair especially under Jason Jason Garrett. You're just doing your blind homer thing you do.

No, I’m just telling the facts not shaded by hate like you have of everything Cowboys which is pretty gutless and immaturity at it’s finest.

 

[Philmonroe]

If Cavenaugh is somehow trying to prop up the offense, he's again giving misleading stats.

Of their 18 losses over the last two years, they have scored over 30 in only 2 of them


The team scored only 19 or less points in 8 of their 10 losses this year.

So they were 2-8 when they didn't score even 20 points. They scored over 30 in just 2 of the 2 losses.

Last year, they failed to score 20 in 5 of their 8 losses. and never scored over 30 ina loss.

It's a completely misleading and dishonest tweet by Cavenaugh.
He may as well say we are are 0-16 when not scoring 50 as well. It's dumb.

You gotta watch them Dak boys they're conniving.

 

[streetcredit]

Like all averages some games are more and some are less. Having an average doesn't mean that is what is scored in every game. Also even scoring 22.8 points is no guarantee that the defense won't allow more which has been the Cowboys problem for the past couple of years.
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I think everyone knows what average means, but the thread seems to suggest that Dallas needs to score 30 to win

 

[Melonfeud]

I think everyone knows what average means, but the thread seems to suggest that Dallas needs to score 30 to win[/QUOTE\]
Which at face value , glaringly illustrates the point numbers opposition offenses are generally compiling ,eh?
* Man, I've stopped watching several games this past season after quickly determining the opposing teams offense could consistently March the ball down field seemingly at their willing whim*

 

[Captain-Crash]

https://www.actionnetwork.com/nfl/dak-prescott-clutch-4th-quarter-jerry-jones-cowboys-defense




Last year, Dak was 1-6 in 1 score games, besides the fact this article also demonstrates how phenomenal Mahomes is. My favorite part about Dak-stans is that they will then say they aren’t comparing him to Mahomes but the KC defense, while actually comparing him to Mahomes saying Dak does everything, but the defense fails him unlike in KC.


“As for Mahomes, his clutch numbers are on a whole other stratosphere…

• Passer rating: Mahomes 122.6 vs. Prescott 70.6
• Yards per attempt: Mahomes 8.9 vs. Prescott 5.9
• Touchdown rate: Mahomes 8.8% vs. Prescott 2.8%
• Interception rate: Mahomes 0.0% vs. Prescott 2.8%
• Sack rate: Mahomes 1.7% vs. Prescott 7.7%”
  

 

[gjkoeppen]

I think everyone knows what average means, but the thread seems to suggest that Dallas needs to score 30 to win

You YOU said if the Cowboys scored the average they would have been 12-4. That's why I said some games they scored more and some less. If they scored 22.8 points every game that would be an average but it would also be a factual score.
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[Philmonroe]

how much is these catch up points where the team is down.

The majority of them. A lot of the Dak boys aren't football smart. They'll believe anything to prop up Kirk Cousins of Dallas

 

[Adreme]

If Cavenaugh is somehow trying to prop up the offense, he's again giving misleading stats.

Of their 18 losses over the last two years, they have scored over 30 in only 2 of them


The team scored only 19 or less points in 8 of their 10 losses this year.

So they were 2-8 when they didn't score even 20 points. They scored over 30 in just 2 of the 2 losses.

Last year, they failed to score 20 in 5 of their 8 losses. and never scored over 30 ina loss.

It's a completely misleading and dishonest tweet by Cavenaugh.
He may as well say we are are 0-16 when not scoring 50 as well. It's dumb.

That is sort of the point though. If your offense needs to score 30 to win you are not going to win. Period. The thing you are not grasping is that both the Cowboys and Chiefs offense failed to score 30 16 times over the past 2 years (as in both of them failed to do this). Would you say the Chiefs have a problem on offense? Of course not because everyone knows you cannot score 30 every single week. If you expect that then you are going to be stuck at 7-9 or 8-8.

 

[pete026]

Or it could mean, like the numbers show, that Mahomes is phenomenal at winning games against really good teams and Dak is a pretender, who only wins against garbage defenses that give up plenty of points.

Your statement could very well be true but the tweet, for a few reasons, doesn't support that argument. Primarily because 1 of the 2 QBs only played 60% of the team's snaps during the time frame mentioned.

I don't personally know Cavanaugh or follow him so I wouldn't know whether that was his intent. If it was, he did a very poor job of supporting it. I made "a suggestion" as to the point of his tweet and only did that to clarify that another poster wasn't even analyzing the statistic provided. I don't normally presuppose someone's intent, especially when there is little information provided to support that argument.

As to the poster I was responding to; they later clarified following/knowing/listening to this guy so they may very well be correct in the point they made.

But I have read enough of your posts to understand why you would jump to the conclusion you made whether it was supported by the OP or not. You may want to work on "solidifying your arguments" to the actual point of the thread vs. your present technique which appears to just regurgitate the same info/arguments whether it applies to the thread or not. People may actually start to listen to you!

 

[pete026]

That is sort of the point though. If your offense needs to score 30 to win you are not going to win. Period. The thing you are not grasping is that both the Cowboys and Chiefs offense failed to score 30 16 times over the past 2 years (as in both of them failed to do this). Would you say the Chiefs have a problem on offense? Of course not because everyone knows you cannot score 30 every single week. If you expect that then you are going to be stuck at 7-9 or 8-8.

The most interesting part of the tweet for me was that the Chiefs and Cowboys had the same number of games (16 or 50%) where they scored 30 points. Particularly when you consider the Cowboys offensive performance for most of 2020.

 

[Diehardblues]

Pathetic. But hey, it's all Dak's fault!!

Our defense is obviously inept . But we also must realize when our offense comes up short we have little chance of winning .

In 2019 for example in all 8 of our losses we only averaged 17 points a game . Of course in all 8 wins we averaged 35 points a game.

We are over invested on offense. It has to carry our team. Whenever it has an off game , struggles or stymied by opponents our odds of winning are greatly diminished.