Why do we suck so bad in free agency?

Corso

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Yeah I don't even know why he was being snarky in regards to defensive draft ("I mean when you don't invest 1st rounders this is what you get"). 1st round grade defensive players have been taken in literally 4 of the last 6 drafts and the 2 drafts that did not feature 1st round talent on defense the result was #34 pick being defense and the 1st available pick being defense

I'm a bit confused as to why investment would even be brought up as a problem ?
He said 6-8 years, IIRC.
Okay, here we go:
2014: Zack Martin then Demarcus Lawrence.
2015: Byron Jones then Randy Gregory
2016: Zeke then Jaylon
2017: Taco then Chido
2018: LVE then Connor Williams
2019: Tristen Hill then Connor McGovern
2020: CeeDee then Diggs

That is a lot of high picks for the D.
 

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What is your definition of high? Because to me high is a 1st rounder.....do you consider the 19th overall pick to be high in LVE? Or whatever pick Taco was?
I consider 1st and 2nd rounders to be high.
Maybe you think 2nd rounders are throwaway?

I just posted their top 2 picks every year since like '14 a post ago.
Check it out.
 

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What is your definition of high? Because to me high is a 1st rounder.....do you consider the 19th overall pick to be high in LVE? Or whatever pick Taco was?
Oh wait... why are you asking if the 19th pick to be high?
Of course it's high! You said 1st round and that's 1st round.
 

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I consider 1st and 2nd rounders to be high.
Maybe you think 2nd rounders are throwaway?

I just posted their top 2 picks every year since like '14 a post ago.
Check it out.
I don't think they are "throwaways" but there's a big difference between drafting 4th overall and 19th overall. A big *** difference. Its the diffence between a Jaylon Ramsey and a Taco Charlton. But ok. Silly me......
 

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I don't think they are "throwaways" but there's a big difference between drafting 4th overall and 19th overall. A big *** difference. Its the diffence between a Jaylon Ramsey and a Taco Charlton. But ok. Silly me......
So high is not 1st rounder and you're whining about that one pick.
Cool.
 

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Jerry's been there with both praise and criticism pre and-post games. Television or Radio.
And part of his biggest problem.

The owner of the team should be nowhere near the locker room around game time.

He wants to be the coach but can't get away with that.

It beyond a dumb joke at this point with his puppets
 

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Because there is a lack of talent on defense here.....if you consider investing a 2nd round pick in Hill and Gregory or a late round on Taco to be considered premium picks then so be it. I tend to disagree.
Investment hasn't been the issue it's been the picks. Yeah Taco was a premier pick, freaking Budda Baker and TJ Watt (which where both high level premier talent) where literally sitting there and the cowboys took Taco.

That's not investment issues that called picking the wrong players. When your throwing the #34th pick to a guy who might not ever play football again that's called just picking wrong players
 

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So high is not 1st rounder and you're whining about that one pick.
Cool.
We'll it was "I mean when you don't invest 1st rounders this is what you get" and now it's "uhh #19 isn't premier" when in reality you could be picking arguably the 1st or 2nd player at that specific defensive position at that spot......
 

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Investment hasn't been the issue it's been the picks. Yeah Taco was a premier pick, freaking Budda Baker and TJ Watt (which where both high level premier talent) where literally sitting there and the cowboys took Taco.

That's not investment issues that called picking the wrong players. When your throwing the #34th pick to a guy who might not ever play football again that's called just picking wrong players

But you do understand the best prospects in a draft are at the top of the draft? When they drafted Zeke they had their choice of Jaylon Ramsey and Deforest Buckner....to sit here and complain about what they did in the 2nd round just makes my point even clearer but it is what it is.
 

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So high is not 1st rounder and you're whining about that one pick.
Cool.
I'm not whining about anything you are the one whining they keep picking the wrong players and then in the same breath don't question why when they have a high pick they go after Zack Martin, Zeke, Tyron, etc......then they traded down in the Fredericks draft out from the 17th overall pick. They clearly are showing you they are too afraid to draft defense high but have no issue drafting wide receiver or linemen or running back high because its safer. But keep on telling me how they whiffed on Taco and Trysten Hill. :facepalm:
 

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But you do understand the best prospects in a draft are at the top of the draft? When they drafted Zeke they had their choice of Jaylon Ramsey and Deforest Buckner....to sit here and complain about what they did in the 2nd round just makes my point even clearer but it is what it is.
So your scapegoat is going to be 1 draft pick that you didn't like ?

No sorry i'm not buying that. You said it's there fault for not investing in 1st round grade talent when 4 of the last 6 drafts have had first round talent on defense.
 

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I'm not whining about anything you are the one whining they keep picking the wrong players and then in the same breath don't question why when they have a high pick they go after Zack Martin, Zeke, Tyron, etc......then they traded down in the Fredericks draft out from the 17th overall pick. They clearly are showing you they are too afraid to draft defense high but have no issue drafting wide receiver or linemen or running back high because its safer. But keep on telling me how they whiffed on Taco and Trysten Hill. :facepalm:
I didn't say any such thing.
 

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So your scapegoat is going to be 1 draft pick that you didn't like ?

No sorry i'm not buying that. You said it's there fault for not investing in 1st round grade talent when 4 of the last 6 drafts have had first round talent on defense.

Has nothing to do what I "liked". Fact is this teams premium players on offense were far greater than late 1st rounders...true or false? Were Tyron, Zeke, Zack, Fredericks not higher than anything we currently have on defense right now?
 

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Has nothing to do what I "liked". Fact is this teams premium players on offense were far greater than late 1st rounders...true or false? Were Tyron, Zeke, Zack, Fredericks not higher than anything we currently have on defense right now?
Mo (who was the year after Tyron) was ranked higher than everyone except Zeke and virtually everyone on defense was ranked higher than Frederick.

That actually doesn't seem unreasonable to be honest.......
 

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Mo (who was the year after Tyron) was ranked higher than everyone except Zeke and virtually everyone on defense was ranked higher than Frederick.

That actually doesn't seem unreasonable to be honest.......
You are correct. They foolishly traded up for Mo and IMO, that's why they are scared to invest picks or trade up for guys now. They had no idea TJ Watt would become what he was. They talked all about getting a "war daddy" and didn't even realize one was staring them in their face and didn't even take a high pick to do it.......
 

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Our FO brought us great FA signings such as Deion Sanders and Terrell Owens. These guys are now Hall of Famers. Are we to believe the FO that signed these great players is now to blame for poor FA acquisition? It's totally plausible, after all, this is the FO that brought us HaHa Clinton-Dix, Dontari Poe, and Gerald McCoy, just last preseason. Has this FO lost it's mojo and is now a liability to this franchise? Maybe so.
 

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Because we overpay our own guys and cant afford anyone in FA.
 

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Has nothing to do what I "liked". Fact is this teams premium players on offense were far greater than late 1st rounders...true or false? Were Tyron, Zeke, Zack, Fredericks not higher than anything we currently have on defense right now?
You're not good with facts tonight.
 
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