Goff traded for Stafford

[csirl]

according to the story on nfl.com...sounds like detroit is keeping goff.
you would think they restructure that deal but it didn't sound like it.

Interim starter while a 1st rounder learns. Will help install a new offense etc - remember that the Lions new management are ex-Rams - Detroit will be "Rams North" soon.

 

[Swagger]

Goff and Wentz got paid way too early was the problem.

At least Jerry played this one right. Maybe it'll cost a few dollars more but at least we know they won't need to cut him or bribe a team to take him two years down the road.

That's what happens when competent NFL QBs are paid like they are Aaron Rodgers.

 

[jterrell]

Fair enough I stand corrected. Surprised the Rams are able to effectively take on two QB contracts.

They actually don't.
Part of why they had to move now was so they restructure Stafford down to create cap space they nee dot even start the league year.

They are over 193M right now and that's a mil above event he rosiest assessment I've seen for 2021 cap.
They have 3-4 plus starters that are free agents that don't count to those totals.
Leonard Floyd, A'Shawn Robinson, Gerald Everett and John Johnson.

Mann I'd literally take all 4 of those guys but those 3 defenders would be perfect in Dallas.
Robinson(from Ft Worth) and Johnson would be near the top of my wish lists.

 

[dckid]

Yes, let's get this Guy.

Yes, if he costs 10 million a year and his vision is fixed. Then you have probably the best cap situation in the NFC. Never overpay a good player at QB. It is very hard to vercome that mistake.

 

[Londonboy]

Yes, if he costs 10 million a year and his vision is fixed. Then you have probably the best cap situation in the NFC. Never overpay a good player at QB. It is very hard to vercome that mistake.

Never employ a proven bonehead with all the leadership qualities of a blueberry scone who couldn't start ahead Taysom Hill.

 

[CouchCoach]

I’d like to know too because 49ers seem to value draft picks.

I don't think the Rams don't value them, just differently. They want to use them to win now.

The mindset of a GM of a team with the window open is a different animal and so is his owner. The future doesn't seem to matter when they're so close to it they can see it.

When the Walker trade went down, one of my business buds was the GM of the flagship station of the Vikes and the optimism about that trade was overwhelming for the city and fans. Mike Lynn was a friend of his and more than aware of the risk. He had lunch with him that week and Lynn told him he's getting a ride out of this trade and that it would either be in a parade car or on a rail.

The Rams fans should be jumping for joy.

Which would you rather have? A FO that risks it all when the window is open or one that dabbles and never gets close to the Dance?

 

[Londonboy]

I don't think the Rams don't value them, just differently. They want to use them to win now.

The mindset of a GM of a team with the window open is a different animal and so is his owner. The future doesn't seem to matter when they're so close to it they can see it.

When the Walker trade went down, one of my business buds was the GM of the flagship station of the Vikes and the optimism about that trade was overwhelming for the city and fans. Mike Lynn was a friend of his and more than aware of the risk. He had lunch with him that week and Lynn told him he's getting a ride out of this trade and that it would either be in a parade car or on a rail.

The Rams fans should be jumping for joy.

Which would you rather have? A FO that risks it all when the window is open or one that dabbles and never gets close to the Dance?

I'd rather have a FO that doesn't give a bad QB a mega deal and give up tons of draft capital to get shot of him and replace him with a QB with a history of losing and a dodgy back.
But I'm picky.

 

[DFWJC]

Taking on what contract? The Rams had to eat the dead money so all Detroit is left with is the following:

2021 Cap Hit $27.825M $0 Dead Money

2022 Cap Hit $25.5M $0 Dead Money

2023 Cap Hit $25M $0 Dead Money

2024 Cap Hit $26M $0 Dead Money


So what Detroit got was a former #1 overall QB whose cap hits are below market value for QB's with absolutely ZERO dead money.....oh, and they also got back a 3rd round pick in 2021, a 1st round pick in 2022 & 2023.....so I would say Detroit made out and is fully capable of now trading Goff to a QB needy team for additional draft picks without any dead money penalty against their cap.


As for Stafford, he had $19M in dead money remaining on his deal which Detroit will get hit with but based on his 2021 cap hit of $33M, Detroit actually will save $14M against the cap in 2021 by having traded Stafford.

You may want to relook at those numbers

Stafford's 2021 cap hit is only 20 mil and only 23 in 2022
Zero dead cap in both years
The Rams unloaded a contract here.

 

[dckid]

Never employ a proven bonehead with all the leadership qualities of a blueberry scone who couldn't start ahead Taysom Hill.

Not starting him over Taysom HIll was a mistake by the Saints. It's as clear as day right now.

 

[USArmyVet]

Hell, might as well keep the QB carousel ideas going:


Dallas signs Dak to the non-exclusive franchise tag and Dak and his agents work out a lucrative deal with the Las Vegas Raiders.....Dallas refuses to match and works out the following deal with Dallas:


Las Vegas receives:

QB Dak Prescott


Dallas receives:

QB Derek Carr
SS Jonathan Abrams
Las Vegas 2021 1st round draft pick (#17 overall)
Las Vegas 2021 2nd round draft pick (#48)


Dallas gets a 30 year old QB who is playing well which allows them time to find a new young QB to develop in the next year or two. Carr's contract is extremely affordable ($22M in 2021 and $19.8M in 2022) while Las Vegas gets the big name QB to try and draw a crowd while also allowing John Gruden to try and save his arse. Dallas also gets back in return a young safety that will be under team control for the next 3 years with the 5th year rookie option. Lastly Dallas also gets a few draft picks which will help out in trying to rebuild the defense.

2021 Dallas early round draft picks

#10 CB Caleb Farley Virginia Tech Debated top cornerback with size (6' 2" 207 pounds) who will partner with Diggs on the outside
#17 CB Jaycee Horn South Carolina Dallas grabs another quality cornerback with size (6' 1" 205 pounds) who will man the slot CB role
#44 FS Trevon Moehrig TCU Dallas grabs a top free safety prospect with size (6' 2" 203 pounds) to completely overhaul the Dallas secondary
#48 DT Tedarrell Slaton Florida Massive (6' 5" 340 pounds) defensive tackle who will offer a major upgrade on the defensive line



This will never happen of course and shows nothing more than how bored I am this morning.

 

[dckid]

You may want to relook at those numbers

Stafford's 2021 cap hit is only 20 mil and only 23 in 2022
Zero dead cap in both years
The Rams unloaded a contract here.

Both teams got what they needed. The Lions needed a hard reset. The Rams had no choice but to go all out. They are in the win now mode mode more than any team I can remember. They are banking on their coaching and talent. They also see a NFC that is weak. I see them getting to a couple SB's in the next 4 years. Even if they win one all this was worth it.
Please remember this team hasn't won a lick in 26 years. We have also not tanked during that time, we have also not tried to go all out. What I have been saying to my friends for years and years and also on this board. Jerry does not care about winning another SB. He has the most valuable franchise, he is a HOF'er, he has three rings. In his own mind he has nothing to prove. He jus wants to keep collecting the huge revenue stream. Paying player salaries is nothing. The owners do not lose money. I dont care how much he pays the players, or how much he makes. Jerry does not wake up everyday with the single goal of winning a SB.
He simply does not care.

 

[phildadon86]

I’m still waiting because I am not going thru 30 plus pages of this thread on if stafford is still better than Dak. At that cost. Since it’s all about money.

 

[Londonboy]

Not starting him over Taysom HIll was a mistake by the Saints. It's as clear as day right now.

Or perhaps Payton thought he was crap too.

 

[dckid]

I don't think the Rams don't value them, just differently. They want to use them to win now.

The mindset of a GM of a team with the window open is a different animal and so is his owner. The future doesn't seem to matter when they're so close to it they can see it.

When the Walker trade went down, one of my business buds was the GM of the flagship station of the Vikes and the optimism about that trade was overwhelming for the city and fans. Mike Lynn was a friend of his and more than aware of the risk. He had lunch with him that week and Lynn told him he's getting a ride out of this trade and that it would either be in a parade car or on a rail.

The Rams fans should be jumping for joy.

Which would you rather have? A FO that risks it all when the window is open or one that dabbles and never gets close to the Dance?

If this pays off for the Rams, kudos to them. They have a superstar coach. They have a great defense. We are mediocre team from top to bottom.
We have not had an elite mindset since Jimmy left.

 

[BourbonBalz]

This is by far a bigger robbery than when we traded Hershel to the Vikings. Is Bugs Bunny running the Ram’s front office? Worst trade in history?

 

[BourbonBalz]

The Rams are idiots

You’re being awfully tough on idiots.

 

[CouchCoach]

I'd rather have a FO that doesn't give a bad QB a mega deal and give up tons of draft capital to get shot of him and replace him with a QB with a history of losing and a dodgy back.
But I'm picky.

That history of losing was with a perennial loser and a coaching gallery worse than the Cowboys.

The dodgy back is a risk but the Rams have one of the better OL's in the game and something Stafford has seldom had in his career, a real run game. The best he had was Kevin Smith at RB and Linehan called the most pass plays in the NFL that year, every year.

We all get out in front of something like this with uninformed opinions because we haven't seen it yet. Most were just giving the Lombardi to PHL when they pulled that Dream Team deal and that was a disaster.

 

[BourbonBalz]

Obviously this shows that Rams are in win now mode. They have a really strong defense. Just need a stud QB to take them to the chip.

I’m not sure Stafford is currently any better than Goff. Five or six years ago? Yes, but not now.

 

[RustyBourneHorse]

This is by far a bigger robbery than when we traded Hershel to the Vikings. Is Bugs Bunny running the Ram’s front office? Worst trade in history?

Aaaactually, I heard that it was Pinky and the Brain. Pinky sometimes makes the decisions for them.

 

[dckid]

Or perhaps Payton thought he was crap too.

You don't pay Dak, Goff, Wentz, Cousins, Jimmy G, Flacco, Bradford types 35 million a year and come out on top. It is an idiotic move to make.
The time to pay Dak was when he could have been signed cheap. The ship has sailed, do not just keep playng the music as we are sinking.
I have nothing against Dak. Smart teams don't overpay at the QB position. The Cowboys need to change as we can see it happening.
We got the best 5 years of Dak from a value and production perspective. Let someone else get buyers remorse. Move on, he will not carry this team to SB.
What is the end result that this team wants?
Do we just want another 10 years or 8-8? If that is your goal.. go ahead and sign Dak. Nothing will change.