Goff traded for Stafford

[DFWJC]

None of that means anything. He had to throw the ball a lot because the Lions never had a running game and were usually playing from behind. What has he ever won? Absolutely nothing.

Yeah...right.
So Stafford just happens to be th only one that list that "it doesn't mean anything" I guess, in your view.
Just a coincidence that the list a full of HOFers or future HOFers.

He also is the NFL's all-time leader in 4th quarter game-winning drives.

I get that his team sucked so they played from behind, but GMs around the league--and especially players--will tell you Stafford is a monster.

 

[DFWJC]

not quite sure of the details of the famous sodomy of the Vikings by Jimmy but I think this might be worse.

No current year 1st round picks.
Just 2 future year, most likely late, 1st rounders.

One early current year 1st rounder equals about 4 of those.

Hell, even a current 2021 top 3 1st rounder is worth 3 late 2021 first-rounder.

Because
1) these are future picks and
2) they are expected to be late picks,

this is not as expensive as it appears at first glance.
Still expensive though!

 

[Irvin88_4life]

not quite sure of the details of the famous sodomy of the Vikings by Jimmy but I think this might be worse.

Jimmy did it with a RB compared to lions using a QB. No matter what people believe QBs always have more value. Fleecing a team with a QB is much easier than fleecing them with a RB

 

[DandyDon52]

Issue is if your offense isn't consistently scoring some points vs the Chiefs there's only so much even a great defense can hang onto vs the Chiefs when they are firing on all cylinders. At some point they pull away and they are such strong front runners

I think the way to beat the KC is to be able to run the ball good, and run alot, and go on long time consuming drives and eat up the clock, shorten the game,
less possessions for KC. Let mahomes get cold on the bench.
Also take away hill and spy mahomes, dont let him run.

 

[Flamma]

IMO, the Rams shouldn’t have given more than Goff and a second. That’s it. Two first round picks, a third, and Goff? Insane.

I agree, but, what Stafford is worth is irrelevant if they wanted to actually get him on the team. Other offers may have been better than Goff and a 2nd. My guess is that the Lions were doing everything they could to get the most possible. And the Rams just offered slightly more than the next best offer. I would hate it if the Cowboys didn't have a first round pick until 2024.

 

[Swagger]

I think the way to beat the KC is to be able to run the ball good, and run alot, and go on long time consuming drives and eat up the clock, shorten the game,
less possessions for KC. Let mahomes get cold on the bench.
Also take away hill and spy mahomes, dont let him run.

Fair point. Bills don't have a running game and just kept giving the ball back to Mahomes

 

[phildadon86]

Think I'll wait to anoint Diggs or Gallimore.

Gallimore flashed and Diggs had more picks as a rookie than Jones has in his career. I think they are solid. But my point was with old man Rod out of the building it looks like we are now drafting for talent and that stupid quick twitch mantra is gone

 

[TheMarathonContinues]

I do not equate what they're doing to what Booger has done. I do not think they've been the smartest club with the Goff and Gurley deals but I do see their team and SF a good QB away.

I also think Prescott is a good QB but the team around him isn't in the same league with LA and SF. I think he would be more successful with either of those clubs more so than the Cowboys.

How is it any different? The only person saving that franchise from being the Cowboys is McVey and that’s a huge difference between us and them.

 

[Turk]

Yeah...right.
So Stafford just happens to be th only one that list that "it doesn't mean anything" I guess, in your view.
Just a coincidence that the list a full of HOFers or future HOFers.

He also is the NFL's all-time leader in 4th quarter game-winning drives.

I get that his team sucked so they played from behind, but GMs around the league--and especially players--will tell you Stafford is a monster.

89.9 career rating says he is good but NOT a monster.

Let us be very blunt here:

If your career rating is not pushing 100 you are not elite. Mathew Stafford is 15th in active NFL QB ratings.

THAT is NOT a monster.

 

[Swagger]

Ravens would match up better if they had a QB who could consistently pass the ball. That run first panic mentality is good for fantasy football, not so much come playoff time when defenses are going to be better

I agree partly as yes he needs to be a more efficient and consistent passer but he doesn't have quality weapons and they lost Stanley early on so the protection wasn't great for him. I don't really rate Hollywood Brown and whilst I like Andrews he drops a lot of passes.

 

[Lutonio]

I think this trade says more about what the Rams think of Goff than what they think about Stafford.

Two first rounders and a third just unload his contract and take on a player and give them a two year window to win.

Not enough attention is given to how bad the Rams have managed their contracts for the last 15 years. This goes all the way back to Sam Bradford.

 

[DandyDon52]

Fair point. Bills don't have a running game and just kept giving the ball back to Mahomes

yeah the bills were so bad running lol, that they should have stuck with the all pass game plan of the previous week.
That is another problem with KC though, their defense is pretty good !
Ironically I think a team like the 2014 cowboys, [with better coaching] could beat the chiefs.

 

[phildadon86]

yeah the bills were so bad running lol, that they should have stuck with the all pass game plan of the previous week.
That is another problem with KC though, their defense is pretty good !
Ironically I think a team like the 2014 cowboys, [with better coaching] could beat the chiefs.

There defense can’t be good. You can’t have a good defence if you pay your QB I heard it here

 

[LatinMind]

I have to be reading this trade wrong or the Rams are bigger melvins than Jerry.

reading it wrong, rams got stafford and 2 RD1 picks

 

[Swagger]

yeah the bills were so bad running lol, that they should have stuck with the all pass game plan of the previous week.
That is another problem with KC though, their defense is pretty good !
Ironically I think a team like the 2014 cowboys, [with better coaching] could beat the chiefs.

I agree. The 2014 defense was pretty hopeless but the offense just kept rolling and dominated time of possession. The Chiefs D shows up when it matters in the big games but can look pedestrian during some regular season games. They are good at not having their weaknesses exposed.

 

[MyFairLady]

Incredible

 

[BourbonBalz]

I agree, but, what Stafford is worth is irrelevant if they wanted to actually get him on the team. Other offers may have been better than Goff and a 2nd. My guess is that the Lions were doing everything they could to get the most possible. And the Rams just offered slightly more than the next best offer. I would hate it if the Cowboys didn't have a first round pick until 2024.

I don’t fault the Lions at all for the trade. They should be trying to get the most possible. That doesn’t mean anyone has to give into their demands if they’re insanely high. And, I don’t think what Stafford is worth is irrelevant. Obviously the Rams thought he was worth what they offered. If not, they’re even more stupid than I think. I just greatly disagree with the worth they assigned to him. Of course that’s just my opinion. They’re obviously in win now mode. I just don’t believe Stafford at this point is that much better than Goff. We’ll have to wait and see who is right. One thing is certain. If Stafford doesn’t get them a Super Bowl, they’re going to be in trouble going forward without all of the draft picks they’ve been giving up.

 

[BourbonBalz]

reading it wrong, rams got stafford and 2 RD1 picks

LOL, no. The Rams gave up Goff, 2 1st round picks, and a 3rd round pick.

 

[Flamma]

I don’t fault the Lions at all for the trade. They should be trying to get the most possible. That doesn’t mean anyone has to give into their demands if they’re insanely high. And, I don’t think what Stafford is worth is irrelevant. Obviously the Rams thought he was worth what they offered. If not, they’re even more stupid than I think. I just greatly disagree with the worth they assigned to him. Of course that’s just my opinion. They’re obviously in win now mode. I just don’t believe Stafford at this point is that much better than Goff. We’ll have to wait and see who is right. One thing is certain. If Stafford doesn’t get them a Super Bowl, they’re going to be in trouble going forward without all of the draft picks they’ve been giving up.

Like I said, if you want the quarterback you have to have the best offer. I think at best the Rams might have a 20-25% chance at reaching another SB in the next year or two. To me that's giving up too much for that kind of chance. But of course I'm pulling those numbers out of my posterior. But the reason I assigned those numbers is because the Rams defense isn't that good. It's decent, but a good QB can cut right through them. They added Stafford. At his best, and I do think he's good, but he was never among the elite QBs. The Rams only now have a shot because Stafford isn't taking up a huge chunk of the cap.

 

[DandyDon52]

There defense can’t be good. You can’t have a good defence if you pay your QB I heard it here

they built the defense while mahomes was on his rookie deal. So by the time he got paid the defense is already good. In fact offense defense, is all good
at point they paid mahomes. They did it right.
Also they have better def coaches.