Saw this from a Seahawk fan in regards to the Cowboys D

[gimmesix]

This is just from another fans perspective in regards to fixing the Cowboy Defense. The quickest way Dan Quinn can rebuild the Cowboy Defense is if they brought the band back together, which I found interesting.

Sherman
Earl Thomas
KJ Wright

I know it's a far fetched idea, but it would allow the Cowboys to load up in the trenches.

Considering we're not going to spend much money on FAs, I'm not opposed to it if the price is right. We're not going to pay for a young, high-quality corner, safety or linebacker. And these moves don't preclude us from attempting to find the replacements for these stopgaps in the draft.

If we did something like this, I would like to see us trade down and load up on defensive tackles. Something like Nixon/Barmore with the trade down, Tufele/McNeil with the 44th pick and Shelvin with the pick we got for trading down.

What that allows us to do is play big at times with either Barmore or Nixon at one end and Lawrence at the other end and with a strong rotation at tackle (Nixon/Barmore, Tufele/McNeil, Shelvin and Gallimore) where substituting doesn't kill us and we can play the tackles to their strengths.

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

This is just from another fans perspective in regards to fixing the Cowboy Defense. The quickest way Dan Quinn can rebuild the Cowboy Defense is if they brought the band back together, which I found interesting.

Sherman
Earl Thomas
KJ Wright

I know it's a far fetched idea, but it would allow the Cowboys to load up in the trenches.

OMG. what a disaster. thomas is done. his goose is cooked. he is Ed Reed in his last couple of years. just barely hanging on and he is a head case and locker room cancer.

Sherman said he wants to play two more years. we ain't fixng this defense in one year, so do we think sherman is going to be good in two years...I pass.

forget Wright. I pass.

this would be the dumbest move we could make.

 

[Cowboyny]

OMG. what a disaster. thomas is done. his goose is cooked. he is Ed Reed in his last couple of years. just barely hanging on and he is a head case and locker room cancer.

Sherman said he wants to play two more years. we ain't fixng this defense in one year, so do we think sherman is going to be good in two years...I pass.

forget Wright. I pass.

this would be the dumbest move we could make.

KJ Wright is still a very good player that can play all linebacker positions.

 

[LACowboysFan1]

Broncos released cornerback A. J. Bouye. He had some injuries this past season and was suspended for peds the last 4 games. On the surface that'd not be someone you'd look at, but his fall off in play is very likely due to the injuries, and he may have tried to sneak in the peds to help him recover, doubt he'd ordinarily take that chance. Probably had a good idea due to his cap hit he was going to be released, so hey! worth a chance to get healed up.

But I'm guessing at that part. (It's the off season, what else we have to talk about?)

While I'm not a fan of the "grab anybody who's been released", or injured players, he might be worth taking a look at, bring him to camp and "kick the tires" on him, won't cost much to do that....

 

[Cowboyny]

Considering we're not going to spend much money on FAs, I'm not opposed to it if the price is right. We're not going to pay for a young, high-quality corner, safety or linebacker. And these moves don't preclude us from attempting to find the replacements for these stopgaps in the draft.

If we did something like this, I would like to see us trade down and load up on defensive tackles. Something like Nixon/Barmore with the trade down, Tufele/McNeil with the 44th pick and Shelvin with the pick we got for trading down.

What that allows us to do is play big at times with either Barmore or Nixon at one end and Lawrence at the other end and with a strong rotation at tackle (Nixon/Barmore, Tufele/McNeil, Shelvin and Gallimore) where substituting doesn't kill us and we can play the tackles to their strengths.

If they could address their secondary/linebacker needs via fa, they could load up in the trenches via the draft or do vice versa; fix the DL in fa and address LB/Secondary in the draft. With the lack of top end defensive line talent, that might be the best way to use the draft process.

 

[gimmesix]

If they could address their secondary/linebacker needs via fa, they could load up in the trenches via the draft or do vice versa; fix the DL in fa and address LB/Secondary in the draft. With the lack of top end defensive line talent, that might be the best way to use the draft process.

I just don't think they can get what they need on the defensive line for cheap in FA. Everyone keeps talking about no top-end defensive line talent, but there is mid- to late-first round defensive line talent, there is second-round defensive line talent. I'd rather go there than go young in the secondary, especially since I believe some of those vet FA DBs will fall into the category of players the Joneses are likely to sign.

At best on the DL, we might end up with players like Sheldon Rankins, Daquan Jones, Lawrence Guy, Derek Wolfe or Mario Edwards. As much as fans would like them to, the Joneses are not going to pay what it takes to get a player like Dalvin Tomlinson.

Similarly, we're not going to get DBs like Justin Simmons, Marcus Williams and William Jackson III. But I do think Richard Sherman is a realistic possibility. Not as sure about Earl Thomas, but Keanu Neal wouldn't surprise me. (I'm interested in Patrick Peterson as a free safety candidate, but I'd be surprised by the signing.)

IMO, those could be bridge players while we fix the line this year, and they would help us more than trying to bridge DT. Plus, I do think the DB talent will spill over into the third round.

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

KJ Wright is still a very good player that can play all linebacker positions.

the suggestion to get the old band together sounds like trying to get the Rolling Stones back together for one last tour. the problem is these guys are older, one of them clearly lost his skills, the other one two years from retiring according to himself...and Wright is 31......over paying for older, on the downside of their career players is a mistake we just made this past year with the likes of Poe, McCoy, Griffin. why make the same mistake? I rather overpay for a player who is great and in his prime, than a bunch of old hags.

 

[Cowboyny]

the suggestion to get the old band together sounds like trying to get the Rolling Stones back together for one last tour. the problem is these guys are older, one of them clearly lost his skills, the other one two years from retiring according to himself...and Wright is 31......over paying for older, on the downside of their career players is a mistake we just made this past year with the likes of Poe, McCoy, Griffin. why make the same mistake? I rather overpay for a player who is great and in his prime, than a bunch of old hags.

Wright on a short-term contract is a good signing. He still is playing on a high level, where I think Seattle is going to try to resign him.

 

[Cowboyny]

I just don't think they can get what they need on the defensive line for cheap in FA. Everyone keeps talking about no top-end defensive line talent, but there is mid- to late-first round defensive line talent, there is second-round defensive line talent. I'd rather go there than go young in the secondary, especially since I believe some of those vet FA DBs will fall into the category of players the Joneses are likely to sign.

At best on the DL, we might end up with players like Sheldon Rankins, Daquan Jones, Lawrence Guy, Derek Wolfe or Mario Edwards. As much as fans would like them to, the Joneses are not going to pay what it takes to get a player like Dalvin Tomlinson.

Similarly, we're not going to get DBs like Justin Simmons, Marcus Williams and William Jackson III. But I do think Richard Sherman is a realistic possibility. Not as sure about Earl Thomas, but Keanu Neal wouldn't surprise me. (I'm interested in Patrick Peterson as a free safety candidate, but I'd be surprised by the signing.)

IMO, those could be bridge players while we fix the line this year, and they would help us more than trying to bridge DT. Plus, I do think the DB talent will spill over into the third round.

We are going to see a similar free agent period by the team. They are going to look for veteran, bridge type players at their need positions so they won't be forced to reach to fill a need in the draft. The defensive line position has one of the biggest, learning curves from the college to the NFL level. I do not expect any rookie prospect to come in as a day 1 starter. Let's just hope the free agents they sign this year are better then our 2020 class, which looked good at the time.

Agree, forget about the young, big name defensive backs, they will be too expensive to sign. We are probably going to see a Dennard, Kazee signed. Both players played under Quinn/Whitt in Atlanta, they will help with the transition of his scheme. I don't think either Sherman or Peterson will be on our radar as they are going to cost far more then what we are willing to spend.

 

[ESisback]

This is just from another fans perspective in regards to fixing the Cowboy Defense. The quickest way Dan Quinn can rebuild the Cowboy Defense is if they brought the band back together, which I found interesting.

Sherman
Earl Thomas
KJ Wright

I know it's a far fetched idea, but it would allow the Cowboys to load up in the trenches.

We not draft the new version of these guys? Keep Diggs, Wilson, Awuzie and Brown, and draft 2 CB’s and 2 S. Draft DT and LB. Grab a vet FA at DT and LB.

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

Wright on a short-term contract is a good signing. He still is playing on a high level, where I think Seattle is going to try to resign him.

I have been on record saying we shouldn't sign any FAs this year, outside of those we want to keep and fill the roster. they are too costly in a year that the cap has shrunk. we are not ready to compete next year anyway, as Quinn needs to implement his system and we need to draft defense and evaluate what we have. any older veteran would be a mistake, ala Wright who is 31 and will be 32 by 2022 when we are ready to truly compete (hypothetically given what we have accomplished under Jerry Jones).

so lets just wait on any FAs.....this defense may need 7, or 8 new starters and we can get off the ball LBs in the draft more easily.

 

[Carson]

I have been on record saying we shouldn't sign any FAs this year, outside of those we want to keep and fill the roster. they are too costly in a year that the cap has shrunk. we are not ready to compete next year anyway, as Quinn needs to implement his system and we need to draft defense and evaluate what we have. any older veteran would be a mistake, ala Wright who is 31 and will be 32 by 2022 when we are ready to truly compete (hypothetically given what we have accomplished under Jerry Jones).

so lets just wait on any FAs.....this defense may need 7, or 8 new starters and we can get off the ball LBs in the draft more easily.

I disagree. Anything can happen. When healthy we are the best team in the division.

Washington was a play or two away from upsetting the eventual Super bowl champs and a win away from the NFC Championship game

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

I disagree. Anything can happen. When healthy we are the best team in the division.

Washington was a play or two away from upsetting the eventual Super bowl champs and a win away from the NFC Championship game

Washington has a very strong defense, specially front 4 and front 7. it helps keep them in the games. their issue was at QB all year, as they have some offensive pieces in place. they kicked our rears twice!!

and as you said, washington came close, if they acquire a legit QB, they will be the biggest threat coming out of east, given our defense sucks and we are not sure what we will get next year.

when we are healthy, our offense is good and makes us competitive. defense keeps giving games away, so can this defense go from bottom sucking group to middle of the pack in one off season. that's a tall task.

yes, anything can happen, but what are the chances and I am a realist.

 

[gimmesix]

We are going to see a similar free agent period by the team. They are going to look for veteran, bridge type players at their need positions so they won't be forced to reach to fill a need in the draft. The defensive line position has one of the biggest, learning curves from the college to the NFL level. I do not expect any rookie prospect to come in as a day 1 starter. Let's just hope the free agents they sign this year are better then our 2020 class, which looked good at the time.

Agree, forget about the young, big name defensive backs, they will be too expensive to sign. We are probably going to see a Dennard, Kazee signed. Both players played under Quinn/Whitt in Atlanta, they will help with the transition of his scheme. I don't think either Sherman or Peterson will be on our radar as they are going to cost far more then what we are willing to spend.

You may be right on the cost of Sherman or Peterson, but we do seem to be willing to spend slightly more on one FA/trade each year, so I think one is a possibility. Both would be very unlikely.

I've said 2 years, $18 million would be a reasonable expectation for Sherman, with Dallas paying $6 million this year, including $3 million of a $6 million signing bonus. That means Sherman receives $9 million total this season because of the bonus, and Dallas can cut him in 2022 and take a $3 million hit instead of paying his $9 million base.

I think as low as we could get Sherman on a one-year deal would be around $8 million.

 

[Cowboyny]

You may be right on the cost of Sherman or Peterson, but we do seem to be willing to spend slightly more on one FA/trade each year, so I think one is a possibility. Both would be very unlikely.

I've said 2 years, $18 million would be a reasonable expectation for Sherman, with Dallas paying $6 million this year, including $3 million of a $6 million signing bonus. That means Sherman receives $9 million total this season because of the bonus, and Dallas can cut him in 2022 and take a $3 million hit instead of paying his $9 million base.

I think as low as we could get Sherman on a one-year deal would be around $8 million.

Like Sherman, but not sure how much left he has in the tank. Last year, he barely played and didn't look good on the field. I rather spend that 8 million elsewhere.

 

[Cowboyny]

I have been on record saying we shouldn't sign any FAs this year, outside of those we want to keep and fill the roster. they are too costly in a year that the cap has shrunk. we are not ready to compete next year anyway, as Quinn needs to implement his system and we need to draft defense and evaluate what we have. any older veteran would be a mistake, ala Wright who is 31 and will be 32 by 2022 when we are ready to truly compete (hypothetically given what we have accomplished under Jerry Jones).

so lets just wait on any FAs.....this defense may need 7, or 8 new starters and we can get off the ball LBs in the draft more easily.

There is a lot of question marks within the linebacker positional group, where it looks like they are going to new 2 starting caliber players:

-Lee is most likely going to retire or play elsewhere if he decides to continue playing.
-Joe Thomas is a unrestricted fa
-Depth behind the starters is more special teams type of players
-Lve is very injury prone, where Jaylon could still be released due to poor play and not living up to his contract. Also, keep in mind if the team declines Lve's 5th year option, he becomes a fa next off-season.

2 starter caliber linebackers at a minimum.

 

[gimmesix]

Like Sherman, but not sure how much left he has in the tank. Last year, he barely played and didn't look good on the field. I rather spend that 8 million elsewhere.

Like on Gerald McCoy?

We're not going to get players much different than Sherman for what Dallas will be willing to pay. The surefire players cost $15 million-$16 million per year. We could go with young players who have shown potential but haven't proven themselves, but we've failed trying to do that as well.

If you don't want FAs with question marks, you're rooting for the wrong team. Me? I'd like to shore up the free safety position for years to come with Justin Simmons, but I know that isn't going to happen. If Dalvin Tomlinson hits FA, I'd like to see Dallas wrap him up for the next four to five years, but that isn't going to happen, either.

Six million (this year) for a player like Sherman is the best we can hope for. And I don't feel bad about that. He had an outstanding year in 2019, but his value was driven down to the Joneses' range by an injury-plagued 2020.

 

[Cowboyny]

Like on Gerald McCoy?

We're not going to get players much different than Sherman for what Dallas will be willing to pay. The surefire players cost $15 million-$16 million per year. We could go with young players who have shown potential but haven't proven themselves, but we've failed trying to do that as well.

If you don't want FAs with question marks, you're rooting for the wrong team. Me? I'd like to shore up the free safety position for years to come with Justin Simmons, but I know that isn't going to happen. If Dalvin Tomlinson hits FA, I'd like to see Dallas wrap him up for the next four to five years, but that isn't going to happen, either.

Six million (this year) for a player like Sherman is the best we can hope for. And I don't feel bad about that. He had an outstanding year in 2019, but his value was driven down to the Joneses' range by an injury-plagued 2020.

I think there will be a few players to get excited about. Player like Hooker, if he could ever figure out how to stay healthy, is better then ay safety prospect in this year's class. Perryman from the Chargers, could really help our run defense at the position. Any legitimate NT that's not overweight nor past his prime. Kazee is the essence of a ball hawk who can play safety or corner.

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

There is a lot of question marks within the linebacker positional group, where it looks like they are going to new 2 starting caliber players:

-Lee is most likely going to retire or play elsewhere if he decides to continue playing.
-Joe Thomas is a unrestricted fa
-Depth behind the starters is more special teams type of players
-Lve is very injury prone, where Jaylon could still be released due to poor play and not living up to his contract. Also, keep in mind if the team declines Lve's 5th year option, he becomes a fa next off-season.

2 starter caliber linebackers at a minimum.

I think we go to the draft, and we have 10 picks (and couple of trades can easily get to 11)....lets give quinn one year to implement his system, see what we have in draft picks and go into 2022 with a much clearer picture of what we need based on what we have found....no pricey FAs needed. no older FA needed. focus on defensive draft and defensive draft only.

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

You may be right on the cost of Sherman or Peterson, but we do seem to be willing to spend slightly more on one FA/trade each year, so I think one is a possibility. Both would be very unlikely.

I've said 2 years, $18 million would be a reasonable expectation for Sherman, with Dallas paying $6 million this year, including $3 million of a $6 million signing bonus. That means Sherman receives $9 million total this season because of the bonus, and Dallas can cut him in 2022 and take a $3 million hit instead of paying his $9 million base.

I think as low as we could get Sherman on a one-year deal would be around $8 million.

why sign sherman for one year? this defense is far from ready, now implementing a new system. Sherman would be good for a superbowl ready team that can make a run and is needing a veteran CB.....any money to any FAs for one year is a huge mistake.