Twitter: Bob Sturm has hunch Dak is signed by Thursday at 8:30 AM

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mardwin

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Just tag and trade... signing Dak to a long-term deal that would give him an average salary of 35M+ dont' make financial sense for the organization.
 

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This is league wide..

Unless you have a elite QB if you’re spending around 15% or more of your cap space on the quarterback then you aren’t winning a Super Bowl. Much less a team that has bad contracts like we already have.

Eli Manning is the only non elite QB to bank and somehow win a trophy.

Dallas is a lot like Seattle without a Super Bowl. Look at how Seattle is struggling to build around the paid Russell Wilson.. They just can’t get enough pieces around him and rumors he wants out of there because of it.


If paying the QB was no big deal and just a myth like you say it is I would love for their to be more examples of this but it turns out that only the HOF type QBs are capable of overcoming the higher cap percentage and the Joe Flacco / Dak types have teams that struggle when they are asked to have their play match their pay.

Dallas is a team trending down.. The OL is trending down.. The defense needs a complete makeover. We have several bad deals.. The Dak deal destroys this team.

Nothing you've said here changes anything. Just because we are in a new era doesn't mean someone will win it all with not Brady or Mahomes.

No team ever had the rushing title and won a super bowl until Emmitt did it three times. Nothing is set in stone.
 

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Actually, since we are hearing it from multiple sources there is more credibility. Likely that the reporters have information that the sides are talking.
Well I hope you’re right at least. Maybe there’s something there. Or we’re all at square one behind hopeful LOL
 

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a deal has not been made, so saying it will be 4 years I don't know that, Cowboys very well could sweeten the pot and make it 5 years but until a deal is agreed on it is pure speculation. I would also add as one former player said, NFL contracts are not worth the toilet paper they are written on. teams have outs in these contract as do players what is often reported and the reality of the deal is very much different. People of looking at avg of a contract not how the contract breaks down.

So then, you believe that the contract will be longer? Or do you just believe that the team will settle for a 2 or 3 year deal? So how does that work? I mean, this deal has been held up for two years, going on three of the 4 years vs 5 years. So are you now saying that you think it will be 3? You said that earlier, or do you think it will be 4, I mean, I don't understand what you are trying to suggest. Bottom line, if we agree to 3, it's a horrible deal for the team. If we agree to 4, it's slightly less horrible but still very bad. If we agree to 5, we at least may see a chance to space out the cap and it allows for restructure if Dak is still a viable option in 6 years.

I am looking at the contract. The contract that the team offered Dak was very good with both up front guaranteed money at signing and guaranteed money over the deal that were at the top of the NFL wage scale. Dak has no reason to balk at that deal, according to reports. None of that is applicable in this discussion.

Lastly, I will say it again, this discussion is not about Dak's contract. That's been beaten to death, why on earth would we want to talk about that again? The question was how do you intend to build a defense if you sign Dak to the deal he wants? That was the question before you sidetracked it with this. So, how does that get done?
 

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You asked how to fix the defense without cap space and I simply said go look at how Carolina did it in one offseason.

They did not blow their entire defense up. That’s more so the point, but tweaked and got younger where needed. The are retooling their team to fit what Rhule wants to do. They drafted an entire draft on defense and sprinkled it in with a few veterans. Defense then went from awful to middle of the pack. That’s simply the point. Draft defense, keep guys like Lawrence, LVE, Diggs, Wilson etc. draft the rest of your needs

But Carolina didn't fix their defense with no cap space, that's what I am trying to tell you. It doesn't help to say, "Go look at Carolina" when they didn't sign a QB to a record deal and then fix their Defense. They got rid of their record QB deal and then fixed the D. So I ask again, who exactly does Dallas do that with an Offensive minded HC and a record deal at QB?
 

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To me, what Dak's number is this year isn't that big a deal.

Why?

1. Dallas has 3 chances of winning the SB this year - slim, fat and none. So the end result of doing the tag, getting long term deal done, etc. doesn't change.
2. Cap as far as we know will be down this year, but very good chance it's back up next year, so this year is one best just not worried about.
3. If he's tagged, won't be next year (unless it's to trade him), so either he gets a long term deal or he's gone. Either way, again this is a "lost" year.
4. So many teams will draft quarterbacks, or have/will trade for/sign free agent quarterbacks, Dallas could have a wide open field to draft a good one.

What matters is next year and beyond...
What matters with the cap is this year. If he’s tagged thats 37-40 million all against the cap as opposed to a long term deal that can make that number 20 million. That means there won’t be any room for meaningful free agents on defense and will be more cuts on current players that may ha e otherwise factored into the future.
 

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Just tag and trade... signing Dak to a long-term deal that would give him an average salary of 35M+ dont' make financial sense for the organization.
russell wilson signed 2 years ago for average of 35, goff, wentz for about 33..watson just did for 40 and Mahomes for average of 50....market has moved for top 10 QBs....way past 35 now.
 

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But Carolina didn't fix their defense with no cap space, that's what I am trying to tell you. It doesn't help to say, "Go look at Carolina" when they didn't sign a QB to a record deal and then fix their Defense. They got rid of their record QB deal and then fixed the D. So I ask again, who exactly does Dallas do that with an Offensive minded HC and a record deal at QB?
carlolina is in the middle of a rebuild. they made it all the way to the superbowl with Newton and he had a large contract and they had a few defensive players on that team. they tried with the same group for a couple of years and it became obvious that their time is coming to an end. they let Poe, McCoy walk since they got older, their highly touted LB retired. so now they are going through a rebuild. they are building through the draft and last year drafted all defense. last year their top pick was defense and 2 years ago they went defense heavy... the right way to do it is through the draft. plus, they signed a "bridge" in bridgewater as a means to their next QB. there was no high end QB available for them to sign in the market and painfully obvious Newton's time was ending....so this is not a right example to compare
 

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Who cares about Dak’s impact on the cap this year by franchising him, especially if you think you got plenty of spots to fill, meaning it’s not going to take one year?

The fact they’d have ‘more money’ on the cap this year if they sign him long-term instead of franchise him, seems like another straw to grasp at by his fans.

The roster is worse this year than last year, and the Jones at that point thought they were good enough to make a run. So they can franchise Dak coming off with a broken leg and see how he performs, taking the risk he isn’t the 16th ranked QB in the league per last publication of quoted on here, and see if he actually does ‘elevate’ the franchise.
 

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I love the people that want a full blown rebuild after a win now coaching hire.....along with a front office that has never won crap while they were in charge.

I'm not at all confident the Dak/MM combo is a winner, but you've got to try before blowing it up.

People assume blowing it up makes it better in 2-3 years like teams that hire real football people.
I’ve seen two posters make this point during this thread and it’s spot on. I really think a thread should be made to broadcast the logic. Why take 2/3 years to rebuild with McCarthy when you can go all in for those years on defense and rebuild after if you need to?
 

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what lol

Dak can win a SB.

Yeah.. On a great team.. Unfortunately he is more like Joe Flacco then he is Peyton Manning or Tom Brady and he needs to be carried there and it's hard to get enough pieces when guys like Joe Flacco or Dak get paid.

If you didn't notice.. We were a watermelon kick from 0-4 to start this season and have 1 wildcard win under our belt with him having the best team friendly contract in football over that period.
 

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Yeah.. On a great team.. Unfortunately he is more like Joe Flacco then he is Peyton Manning or Tom Brady and he needs to be carried there and it's hard to get enough pieces when guys like Joe Flacco or Dak get paid.

If you didn't notice.. We were a watermelon kick from 0-4 to start this season and have 1 wildcard win under our belt with him having the best team friendly contract in football over that period.
LOL. Yea because Peyton Manning didnt have good teams in Indy and Denver. You are ridiculous. Peyton Manning didnt "carry" anyone in Denver. He barely carried his own pads to practice. If you think anyone other than Denver's defense won that Superbowl you are more out to lunch than I originally thought.
 

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Stephen Jones and Dak Haters Golden Standard..........THE CARSON WENTZ 2017 "MVP" SEASON:facepalm:

 
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