25 years of frustration "I get it" But

[starfan1]

Im not sure what you guys expect. I mean i would have like Tomlinson or possibly a corner of high value or even a LB. I am not sure that the cowboys hands off approach is very good but barring a few of these guys these free agents cant be that big of an upgrade or they would have been signed by their respective teams.

I know alot of people want to target Dak as the reason but that's hogwash. The cowboys have very rarely been big players in FA. The only way I see to make a major upgrade with active NFL players is make a trade happen and even at that if the players is that much better than we already got then its going to cost you some draft capital.

I know its the same thing that gets said every year is Im waiting to see the on field product. Then evaluate why. Our failures over 25 years have been because of a variety of different reasons and its not always the same reasons every year.

Well maybe you can point tp jethro and and his son but beyond that reasons are varied.

 

[Vanilla2]

Nah it’s all those Jones boy’s fault

 

[jazzcat22]

I think the failure of last year in FA has made them a bit gun shy this year. Though it is mostly cap and there is just no one FA really going to make a huge difference. As the defense was decent with Marinelli at times, then injuries and Nolan was the main reason last season. So maybe they feel with Quinn, they can get back to at least where Marinelli was. Which if this defense was middle of the pack, or slightly above, they could have won the division.

What looked like a good FA group last year, fell apart, and was horrible. So I think that could be part of the reasoning this season.

 

[CowboyRoy]

I think the failure of last year in FA has made them a bit gun shy this year. Though it is mostly cap and there is just no one FA really going to make a huge difference. As the defense was decent with Marinelli at times, then injuries and Nolan was the main reason last season. So maybe they feel with Quinn, they can get back to at least where Marinelli was. Which if this defense was middle of the pack, or slightly above, they could have won the division.

What looked like a good FA group last year, fell apart, and was horrible. So I think that could be part of the reasoning this season.

FA isnt close to being over.

 

[Sydla]

FA isnt close to being over.

It kind of is for us. The rest of FA will likely be them signing more scrap heap guys.

They've done it for years now and literally just signed a JAG defensive tackle and you think there's still a chance they are going to spend a bit of money and bring in some quality FAs?

 

[fivetwos]

Im not sure what you guys expect. I mean i would have like Tomlinson or possibly a corner of high value or even a LB. I am not sure that the cowboys hands off approach is very good but barring a few of these guys these free agents cant be that big of an upgrade or they would have been signed by their respective teams.

I know alot of people want to target Dak as the reason but that's hogwash. The cowboys have very rarely been big players in FA. The only way I see to make a major upgrade with active NFL players is make a trade happen and even at that if the players is that much better than we already got then its going to cost you some draft capital.

I know its the same thing that gets said every year is Im waiting to see the on field product. Then evaluate why. Our failures over 25 years have been because of a variety of different reasons and its not always the same reasons every year.

Well maybe you can point tp jethro and and his son but beyond that reasons are varied.

Well, clearly they are doing all they can to get better and take advantage of a weak division, but ok.

True theres a list of reasons (excuses)...but they all point back to Jerry anyway.

I would chalk most of it up to crappy coaching that the players neither feared or respected.

In Dallas it about collecting a paycheck.

The entire organization starting at the very top acts like they are elite.

 

[GroundZero1970]

I think the failure of last year in FA has made them a bit gun shy this year. Though it is mostly cap and there is just no one FA really going to make a huge difference. As the defense was decent with Marinelli at times, then injuries and Nolan was the main reason last season. So maybe they feel with Quinn, they can get back to at least where Marinelli was. Which if this defense was middle of the pack, or slightly above, they could have won the division.

What looked like a good FA group last year, fell apart, and was horrible. So I think that could be part of the reasoning this season.

This makes sense to me. The defense before last year wasnt too bad. The only losses were Jones and R. Quinn. Last years defense was horrid. I am skeptical the players got that bad. I really think Nolan combined with no real preseason was a huge of the defense last year. We will see I guess. I think Quinn as Dc will make a big difference imho. Who knows for sure tho. Triston Hill was improving then got hurt, Gallimore was a rookie and the fact that LVE and Jaylon were so much worse last year makes me lean towards Nolan being an issue.

 

[CowboyRoy]

It kind of is for us. The rest of FA will likely be them signing more scrap heap guys.

They've done it for years now and literally just signed a JAG defensive tackle and you think there's still a chance they are going to spend a bit of money and bring in some quality FAs?

Ive thrown fits before early in FA. There are still lots of very good players left. All the guys that wanted big money are either signed or realizing they arent getting it.

McCoy was a good singing last year, he just got hurt.

 

[Sydla]

At the end of the day, the failures of this franchise are largely tied to decisions that have been made by Jerry. He hires the coaches. He picks the players. He decides the offseason strategy.

Sure, we can blame Dak for this or Jaylon Smith for that or Lawrence for this or Woods for that. But in the end, Jerry is the one who sees this, decides how to fix it and despite the mounting evidence that his "plan" just isn't working, he continues to follow the failed plan.

 

[JoeKing]

Nah it’s all those Jones boy’s fault

That's just too simple of an explanation for my blood. I agree with the OP. It's a variety of reasons and not the same every year.

 

[erod]

Im not sure what you guys expect. I mean i would have like Tomlinson or possibly a corner of high value or even a LB. I am not sure that the cowboys hands off approach is very good but barring a few of these guys these free agents cant be that big of an upgrade or they would have been signed by their respective teams.

I know alot of people want to target Dak as the reason but that's hogwash. The cowboys have very rarely been big players in FA. The only way I see to make a major upgrade with active NFL players is make a trade happen and even at that if the players is that much better than we already got then its going to cost you some draft capital.

I know its the same thing that gets said every year is Im waiting to see the on field product. Then evaluate why. Our failures over 25 years have been because of a variety of different reasons and its not always the same reasons every year.

Well maybe you can point tp jethro and and his son but beyond that reasons are varied.

Not a single divisional round playoff win in 25 years.

That's comically inept.

Embarrassing franchise.

 

[Sydla]

Ive thrown fits before early in FA. There are still lots of very good players left. All the guys that wanted big money are either signed or realizing they arent getting it.

McCoy was a good singing last year, he just got hurt.

Then why go out in the first week and sign this JAG of a DT? There are much better options out there. Shelton for one.

They are going cheap again and that's just the reality.

 

[JoeKing]

I think last year's disaster came down to Nolan's over-complicated defensive scheme. The players didn't have the proper environment to learn and perfect a new scheme. The coaches had the disadvantage of trying to install a new scheme in a virtual environment. Anyone that was a student in 2020 knows the virtual learning format is inferior to in-person learning. Nolan is the scapegoat. With the same talent and better coaching/scheme, the team can be much improved.

 

[dckid]

Im not sure what you guys expect. I mean i would have like Tomlinson or possibly a corner of high value or even a LB. I am not sure that the cowboys hands off approach is very good but barring a few of these guys these free agents cant be that big of an upgrade or they would have been signed by their respective teams.

I know alot of people want to target Dak as the reason but that's hogwash. The cowboys have very rarely been big players in FA. The only way I see to make a major upgrade with active NFL players is make a trade happen and even at that if the players is that much better than we already got then its going to cost you some draft capital.

I know its the same thing that gets said every year is Im waiting to see the on field product. Then evaluate why. Our failures over 25 years have been because of a variety of different reasons and its not always the same reasons every year.

Well maybe you can point tp jethro and and his son but beyond that reasons are varied.

Culture of mediocrity is the problem. Any great coach or leader comes in and knows it starts with culture.
Aikman knew it when Jimmy left. Jimmy hated losing more than he enjoyed winning.
Jerry has a fat and happy culture. We like our guys, there is no fire or desire to win. Winning a SB is less exciting to Jerry than winning a contract negotiations.

 

[dckid]

Not a single divisional round playoff win in 25 years.

That's comically inept.

Embarrassing franchise.

Thank you. It’s Jerry and his yesman and women. Winning a SB is not even on their top 10 to do list.

 

[dckid]

That's just too simple of an explanation for my blood. I agree with the OP. It's a variety of reasons and not the same every year.

This is not probabilities like in statistics class. This is organization and team building. It’s all Jerry, it starts from the top. The Cowboy team building process is flawed.
How did Andy reach 4straight title games with the Eagles and then with the Chiefs?
How did Landry coach this team to 20 straight winning seasons? It was his culture and how he built the team and organization.

 

[Sydla]

I think last year's disaster came down to Nolan's over-complicated defensive scheme. The players didn't have the proper environment to learn and perfect a new scheme. The coaches had the disadvantage of trying to install a new scheme in a virtual environment. Anyone that was a student in 2020 knows the virtual learning format is inferior to in-person learning. Nolan is the scapegoat. With the same talent and better coaching/scheme, the team can be much improved.

Nolan stunk.

But they had clear issues at DT and S. Two positions that the front office continues to half *** it when it comes to trying to improve the play. And that seemingly is going to continue after our massive signing of Carlos Watkins at DT.

 

[starfan1]

Well, clearly they are doing all they can to get better and take advantage of a weak division, but ok.

True theres a list of reasons (excuses)...but they all point back to Jerry anyway.

I would chalk most of it up to crappy coaching that the players neither feared or respected.

In Dallas it about collecting a paycheck.

The entire organization starting at the very top acts like they are elite.

I will agree there is culture of acceptability with subpar efforts. Whether that permeated because of JGeezy or Jones is a valid ?

 

[starfan1]

At the end of the day, the failures of this franchise are largely tied to decisions that have been made by Jerry. He hires the coaches. He picks the players. He decides the offseason strategy.

Sure, we can blame Dak for this or Jaylon Smith for that or Lawrence for this or Woods for that. But in the end, Jerry is the one who sees this, decides how to fix it and despite the mounting evidence that his "plan" just isn't working, he continues to follow the failed plan.

well certainly there is the leadership buck stops with him. I just think that is part of the equation not the complete part

 

[heir]

Im not sure what you guys expect. I mean i would have like Tomlinson or possibly a corner of high value or even a LB. I am not sure that the cowboys hands off approach is very good but barring a few of these guys these free agents cant be that big of an upgrade or they would have been signed by their respective teams.

I know alot of people want to target Dak as the reason but that's hogwash. The cowboys have very rarely been big players in FA. The only way I see to make a major upgrade with active NFL players is make a trade happen and even at that if the players is that much better than we already got then its going to cost you some draft capital.

I know its the same thing that gets said every year is Im waiting to see the on field product. Then evaluate why. Our failures over 25 years have been because of a variety of different reasons and its not always the same reasons every year.

Well maybe you can point tp jethro and and his son but beyond that reasons are varied.

The only FA that I wanted and has been signed so far is Tomlinson. This class didn't dictate going after any high-priced FA. The thing is even if it didn't they wouldn't do it anyway