Sick of Hearing About NT

[Sydla]

You ABSOLUTELY DO NOT KNOW IF THIS NEW MIX OF PLAYERS CAN OR CAN NOT GET IT DONE WIN QUINNS SCHEME AND THE DRAFT IS STILL AHEAD..

I LIKE HOW FROM KEYBOARD YOU KNOW ":WE HAVE NONE " LOL

we have no idea how Gallimore hill and woods plus adding Urban, Watkins ,and Basham will preform, some can take the next step and with better scheme even our Lbs could play better..this isnt look at names and declare it a failure business..

add Kazee and Neal etc and its about how they all sync and play together not looking where they came from and what not..thats not how it works..if quinn can get max effort and get all he can from these guys, all we need them is to rise from bottom five to middle of the pack to go with an offense that can core..

We probably have a pretty good idea. The guys we added are backup types. Even the Cowboys acknowledge that in the contracts they gave them - cheap and short.

Quinn may be a great DC but at the end of the day, he's going to be handicapped by talent. This is a pretty middling group of DTs. Every year you guys say the same thing about the DL we signed and every year we get the same results. The reality is until the Cowboys put real assets in terms of high picks and money into the DT position, it's always going to result in inconsistent play.

And even if you think they will change how they draft, this isn't the year for any high level, elite DTs in the draft.

 

[AshyLarry06]

Could not agree more. Now more than ever, given RPOs and stretch plays, clubs need mobile defensive linemen. The Cowboys' problem hasn't been the lack of a fat guy. The Cowboys' problem has been the lack of a 4-man rotation of quality players. Urban will help some. I hope they get a bit more help in the draft -- or sign Jarran Reed.

Urban will be a YUUGE pickup, I really believe that.

 

[atlantacowboy]

I’m sick of hearing about nose tackles. We do not need to sign or draft a NT. We don’t have to have 1 fat run stuffer and 1 penetrating playmaker.

Look at the history of great Dallas defenses....you do not need a run stuffing nose tackle like NE’s Wilfork in a 4-3. If you have two really good DTs, you’re set.

Lilly and Pugh
Pugh and White
White and Dutton
Maryland and Casilas
Maryland and Lett

You just can not run garbage DTs out there who wouldn’t start on most teams.

Crawford and Hayden?
Collins and Crawford?
Collins and Woods?
Poe and Crawford?

Give me 2 good, athletic DTs who can penetrate, chase, make plays behind the line and chase plays down the line, and I’ll take that any day over all the 1 and 3 tech talk. We brought in FA DTs who will add to the rotation and improve our run defense, but our current hopes are on Hill and Gallimore, who are both athletic and big. Draft another good DT. I don’t care if he’s a star or a Jimmy Jones, but add one more young guy who can actually play.

(History: Randy White was drafted in 1975, #2 overall, at 6’4” and 257 lbs. He was a backup at MLB for two seasons, playing only on special teams while Larry Cole played out of position at DT. He didn’t even play DT until his 3rd season whenCole was finally able to return to DE)

Nobody has been calling for a NT since we switched back to a 4-3. What we need are larger DTs who can hold their ground. Randy White would be a LB in todays game.

 

[kskboys]

While I believe the OP is on to something with his "talent" theme, there are numerous DT's out there that have certain "talents". What this IDL has lacked for years is a DT that has the "talent" to both a) occupy double teams and b) HOLD HIS GROUND while doing so. So many people don't seem to understand how underrated a skill holding your ground against double teams is. And, it's not always a size issue. Poe was GIGANTIC last year, yet TERRIBLE at holding his ground - he was CONSTANTLY getting pushed back, sideways, you name it. In just about every iteration of the 4-3 these days, the most successful ones have one guy that is the athletic, penetrating 3T and one guy that eats up multiple blockers down after down (to not only keep the 3T in constant 1-on-1 battles, but, to keep the LB's clean). THAT'S the guy Dallas needs. Period

All 4 of the final playoff teams last year employ a guy like that.

I really don't comprehend the claim that this type player is no longer needed. Why do successful teams still use one if that is true?

 

[Bullflop]

Despite what MM claims about Dan Quinn's defensive scheme, I'm hoping it'll be much more 4-3 than 3-4. We'll see ,,,
Nevertheless, I wouldn't be surprised, in the least, if we draft a hefty DT around the middle of the upcoming NFL draft.

 

[kskboys]

We probably have a pretty good idea. The guys we added are backup types. Even the Cowboys acknowledge that in the contracts they gave them - cheap and short.

Quinn may be a great DC but at the end of the day, he's going to be handicapped by talent. This is a pretty middling group of DTs. Every year you guys say the same thing about the DL we signed and every year we get the same results. The reality is until the Cowboys put real assets in terms of high picks and money into the DT position, it's always going to result in inconsistent play.

And even if you think they will change how they draft, this isn't the year for any high level, elite DTs in the draft.

IDK, Syds, it actually could be. There are several very good prospects in the mid rounds. Stills(my pet cat), Shelvin, McNeill, Bobby Brown, Tufele, one or more of those guys could turn out to be topnotch. There just aren't any sure bets, though Nixon is close.

 

[gimmesix]

We probably have a pretty good idea. The guys we added are backup types. Even the Cowboys acknowledge that in the contracts they gave them - cheap and short.

Quinn may be a great DC but at the end of the day, he's going to be handicapped by talent. This is a pretty middling group of DTs. Every year you guys say the same thing about the DL we signed and every year we get the same results. The reality is until the Cowboys put real assets in terms of high picks and money into the DT position, it's always going to result in inconsistent play.

And even if you think they will change how they draft, this isn't the year for any high level, elite DTs in the draft.

I don't think they are acknowledging that they are backups with the cheap and short contracts, at least not with all of them. I think they absolutely know what Urban is at this point in his career, but with both Basham and Watkins, I think they see them as young players who might can do more in this system than the ones they were in. I do not mind that approach ... if you have surefire starters, which we do not.

Getting depth for the rotation is very important, but having those two starters whom offenses struggle to handle is what we need. All of our struggles on defense start with offenses not having to expend extra resources to contain our DTs.

Whether we're talking about a penetrating smaller DT or a massive, earth-moving DT, when offenses have to use a second blocker to stop them that disrupts the running game, causes fewer players to be released in the passing game, etc. Then, fans spend time blaming the linebackers and secondary because they are forced to carry more of the load due to the failure of the DTs. Or they fuss about Lawrence's production without acknowledging that he's having to battle a lot of double-teams because of the failure of the DTs.

 

[kskboys]

I don't think they are acknowledging that they are backups with the cheap and short contracts, at least not with all of them. I think they absolutely know what Urban is at this point in his career, but with both Basham and Watkins, I think they see them as young players who might can do more in this system than the ones they were in. I do not mind that approach ... if you have surefire starters, which we do not.

Getting depth for the rotation is very important, but having those two starters whom offenses struggle to handle is what we need. All of our struggles on defense start with offenses not having to expend extra resources to contain our DTs.

Whether we're talking about a penetrating smaller DT or a massive, earth-moving DT, when offenses have to use a second blocker to stop them that disrupts the running game, causes fewer players to be released in the passing game, etc. Then, fans spend time blaming the linebackers and secondary because they are forced to carry more of the load due to the failure of the DTs. Or they fuss about Lawrence's production without acknowledging that he's having to battle a lot of double-teams because of the failure of the DTs.

This is so simple. I get why the casual fan cannot comprehend this, but how does an NFL org not get this? It's like we have a casual fan as GM.....................

 

[Fredbeard]

Lol

 

[Turk]

How long did we look for the Quick Twitch?

Only what 5 years or more? Longer?

Give me a 6 foot 320 pound fireplug with a big belly and he would do better than ALL of the so called Quick Twitches we had.

 

[sbark]

D@mnn u David Irving

 

[morat1959]

I’m sick of hearing about nose tackles. We do not need to sign or draft a NT. We don’t have to have 1 fat run stuffer and 1 penetrating playmaker.

Look at the history of great Dallas defenses....you do not need a run stuffing nose tackle like NE’s Wilfork in a 4-3. If you have two really good DTs, you’re set.

Lilly and Pugh
Pugh and White
White and Dutton
Maryland and Casilas
Maryland and Lett

You just can not run garbage DTs out there who wouldn’t start on most teams.

Crawford and Hayden?
Collins and Crawford?
Collins and Woods?
Poe and Crawford?

Give me 2 good, athletic DTs who can penetrate, chase, make plays behind the line and chase plays down the line, and I’ll take that any day over all the 1 and 3 tech talk. We brought in FA DTs who will add to the rotation and improve our run defense, but our current hopes are on Hill and Gallimore, who are both athletic and big. Draft another good DT. I don’t care if he’s a star or a Jimmy Jones, but add one more young guy who can actually play.

(History: Randy White was drafted in 1975, #2 overall, at 6’4” and 257 lbs. He was a backup at MLB for two seasons, playing only on special teams while Larry Cole played out of position at DT. He didn’t even play DT until his 3rd season whenCole was finally able to return to DE)

This FO doesn’t get either.

 

[Whirlwin]

This is silly. So because past defenses don't have them that means this one doesn't need one? There is absolutely NOTHING wrong with having a NT. It will not hurt your defense.

And if you want to use examples.....when this team had Jay Ratliff while he was a great player they still needed a fat nose tackle then to soak up some blocks. Had they had one Ratliff would've been even better as would our linebackers.


Man...Jerry and Stephen have neglected the position so bad that now people are justifying why we don't need one.

People just don’t understand the game it’s obvious. Without that big ugly run stopper you’re not winning in this league. OK so you don’t have to be big and you don’t have to be ugly but you better be a run stopper . Totally agree

 

[Fredbeard]

Hopefully, the cowboys will draft McNeal or slaton

 

[Buzzbait]

And you will continue to not be able to make stops on 3rd and short, 4th and short.
The Cowboys have subscribed to your theory for years and they've also been a really bad defense for years.

Totally agree King.
I'm sick and tired of our DL being manhandled by the run.

 

[DandyDon52]

Of course some of the players would translate. I’m saying the game is completely different. In the 60’s they would have called an nfl coach a witch and burned him at the stake if he called 50+ passing plays a game, and now it’s common place.

well sure it is different today.
But the AFL in the 60's did pass a lot, not sure how many per game, but they passed way more than NFL teams.
I was an AFL fan back then, because their games were more exciting/fun to watch.
I was a Oakland Fan, also chargers, KC,Jets, and in nfl I liked the Rams, remember Roman Gabriel?? Daryl Lamonica,Len Dawson,Joe Namath,
and I forget the chargers QB, who was very good passer too. It was before fouts.

 

[Buzzbait]

I’m sick of hearing about nose tackles. We do not need to sign or draft a NT. We don’t have to have 1 fat run stuffer and 1 penetrating playmaker.......

And I'm sick of our DL getting killed by the run. The Cowboys have totally ignored NT for way too long.

 

[Turk]

Urban will be a YUUGE pickup, I really believe that.

not likely. Nothing in his history indicates he will make anywhere near the difference you claim.

 

[GimmeTheBall!]

I’m sick of hearing about nose tackles. We do not need to sign or draft a NT. We don’t have to have 1 fat run stuffer and 1 penetrating playmaker.

Look at the history of great Dallas defenses....you do not need a run stuffing nose tackle like NE’s Wilfork in a 4-3. If you have two really good DTs, you’re set.

Lilly and Pugh
Pugh and White
White and Dutton
Maryland and Casilas
Maryland and Lett

You just can not run garbage DTs out there who wouldn’t start on most teams.

Crawford and Hayden?
Collins and Crawford?
Collins and Woods?
Poe and Crawford?

Give me 2 good, athletic DTs who can penetrate, chase, make plays behind the line and chase plays down the line, and I’ll take that any day over all the 1 and 3 tech talk. We brought in FA DTs who will add to the rotation and improve our run defense, but our current hopes are on Hill and Gallimore, who are both athletic and big. Draft another good DT. I don’t care if he’s a star or a Jimmy Jones, but add one more young guy who can actually play.

(History: Randy White was drafted in 1975, #2 overall, at 6’4” and 257 lbs. He was a backup at MLB for two seasons, playing only on special teams while Larry Cole played out of position at DT. He didn’t even play DT until his 3rd season whenCole was finally able to return to DE)

OK

 

[Cowboysheelsreds053]

Problem is we don't have 2 DT like those teams did.