When I see Pitts I don’t see a TE, I see T.O

[jterrell]

Pitts is a top 5 talent. He is a 260 pound monster.

6'5" 245 pounds officially.
He blew it out at his pro day in speed tho with 4.44.
And his wingspan is uniquely good.
I think he goes top 6.

The dings:
Vert was pretty bleh at 33.5 by comparison Jamarr Chase who he is competing with as top weapon hit 41.
Broad jump was very bleh as well.
But that speed and wingspan are pretty ridiculous.

 

[Parcells4Life]

Measurables have Vernon Davis as a better prospect than Pitts is.

 

[Vinnie2u]

Randy Moss was great in Minnesota and NE... Average with the Raiders. As good as Pitts is, Dallas would have to change the way they utilize TE's. That's a problem in Dallas. He would be the 4th option and asked to be a blocker...

 

[AsthmaField]

Randy Moss was great in Minnesota and NE... Average with the Raiders. As good as Pitts is, Dallas would have to change the way they utilize TE's. That's a problem in Dallas. He would be the 4th option and asked to be a blocker...

Dallas would use him right.

With Garrett still here I would have 0 faith in using him right.

With Moore and McCarthy, I’m sure they would be creative with him. When McCarthy had a good TE in GB, he used him in a lot of different ways.

IMO, they would use him all over.

And Moss wasn’t right mentally when he was at the Raiders.

 

[rambo2]

6'5" 245 pounds officially.
He blew it out at his pro day in speed tho with 4.44.
And his wingspan is uniquely good.
I think he goes top 6.

The dings:
Vert was pretty bleh at 33.5 by comparison Jamarr Chase who he is competing with as top weapon hit 41.
Broad jump was very bleh as well.
But that speed and wingspan are pretty ridiculous.

Pitts can't be covered in the redzone. He would be absolutely awesome in the Cowboy offense.

 

[cnuball21]

Measurables have Vernon Davis as a better prospect than Pitts is.

Good thing we don’t rate prospects solely on measurables!

 

[Parcells4Life]

Pitts can't be covered in the redzone. He would be absolutely awesome in the Cowboy offense.

In the red zone he’ll be jammed and knocked around. Like CeeDee, he’s going to see the NFL is totally different than college.

He’ll be productive but not superhuman his first year. Remember CeeDee. He ran through everyone at OU. We didn’t see much of that YAC ability his first year

 

[cnuball21]

In the red zone he’ll be jammed and knocked around. Like CeeDee, he’s going to see the NFL is totally different than college.

He’ll be productive but not superhuman his first year. Remember CeeDee. He ran through everyone at OU. We didn’t see much of that YAC ability his first year

Well yea, most rookies work through growing pains and take time to develop. That's the standard and norm.

I do remember CeeDee, he had a fantastic rookie season. If Dak would've stayed healthy it would've been even better and he likely would've gone over 1K yards with 8ish TDs. Is that not good to you?

 

[LACowboysFan1]

Randy Moss was great in Minnesota and NE... Average with the Raiders. As good as Pitts is, Dallas would have to change the way they utilize TE's. That's a problem in Dallas. He would be the 4th option and asked to be a blocker...

The Raiders were 4-12 and 2-14 in Moss' years there. Of course he was average with them. Any receiver would have been...

 

[jterrell]

Pitts can't be covered in the redzone. He would be absolutely awesome in the Cowboy offense.

I absolutely agree he is an insane red zone nightmare.
No question there.

Dallas specific fit is where it gets very murky.
Anyone can use a good red zone target and Pitts is the best of the bunch.
BUT it is very much underselling Pitts to bring him in as TE2 and a RZ target alone.
You don't do that to the guy.
He's a 245 pound Aaron Hernandez type dude and to keep him happy and developing you need to play him as a primary option in the offense.
He's not going to excel in secondary roles.

Dallas was leading the league in scoring last year when Dak injured his ankle.
They should never turn their nose up at talent but you do have to balance the scales of offense versus defense and facts are:

Dallas used 2019R1 in trade for Amari Cooper.
Dallas used 2020R1 on falling CeeDee Lamb.
They paid Amari Cooper
They paid Zeke Elliot
They paid Dak Prescott.
They paid Tyron, Zack, La'el.

On defense they have 1 R1 draftee on the roster. Sensational when healthy but almost never healthy LVE.
They let CB1 Byron Jones walk.
They need to replace that guy.
Doesn't mean reach in R1 but if Kyle Pitts is this team's 5th best player and Sewell is 6th and Surtain is 7th?? You draft the ...

You aren't going to find another Kyle Pitts this draft and perhaps 3-4 more.
But if what he gives you is only really special on about 5% of all offensive plays can you forsake a guy who will undoubtedly help you every defensive or offensive play??
For me that's a no.

If drafted imho:
Kyle Pitts becomes my HBack, TE3 and my big slot (WR4). Ditch the two RB plays and Pitts is my move guy. Fun toy for sure. I'd probably get him in about 50% of all offensive plays as a rookie. ---This isn't crazy low. CeeDee got 64% with a firm job day 1 as a starter. And Pitts would eventually grow into TE1 and give you a Witten type target for Dak for a decade. But it might be 2-3 years before he hit his prime.

P Sewell: Day 1 he starts at LG. He moves to LT if Tyron misses any time. He ends up at LT for a decade plus. You'd forecast him to 95% of snaps. Decent chance he can make a Pro Bowl as a rookie LG then move to LT and make some Pro Bowls there.
P Surtain: Day 1 he becomes CB1/2 with his "brother" Trevon Diggs. They share a lot of bonds not least of which is NFL relatives who paved the way and showed them how to train like a pro. You'd forecast him to 90% of snaps.

Of these 3 guys I have to change Pitts body a bit. He needs 10 pounds at least. Maybe 15.
The other 2 are good to go day 1 as they are the prototype size.

 

[Parcells4Life]

Well yea, most rookies work through growing pains and take time to develop. That's the standard and norm.

I do remember CeeDee, he had a fantastic rookie season. If Dak would've stayed healthy it would've been even better and he likely would've gone over 1K yards with 8ish TDs. Is that not good to you?

He was great because of the system and he’s a very good player, but he didn’t dominate with athleticism like everyone was expecting. He was basically Randall Cobb from the year before which is more than acceptable but he was a human joystick in college. We didn’t see any of that his first year.

People thinking just because a rookie dominated athletically in college he’ll do so in the NFL are to be sadly disappointed. Vick, Moss, Megatron, Barry Sanders Deion, Tyreke Hill and Larry Allen are about the only guys to dominate purely off athleticism or strength in the last 30 years. Maybe Hester if you want to include KR

 

[jterrell]

My low cost/day 3 Pitts-like HBack target.

 

[cnuball21]

He was great because of the system and he’s a very good player, but he didn’t dominate with athleticism like everyone was expecting. He was basically Randall Cobb from the year before which is more than acceptable but he was a human joystick in college. We didn’t see any of that his first year.

People thinking just because a rookie dominated athletically in college he’ll do so in the NFL are to be sadly disappointed. Vick, Moss, Megatron, Barry Sanders Deion, Tyreke Hill and Larry Allen are about the only guys to dominate purely off athleticism or strength in the last 30 years. Maybe Hester if you want to include KR

He was great because of the system? He was putting up numbers and making sick catches with 2nd/3rd string QBs behind a banged up OL. Of course he didn't dominate with athleticism...it's the NFL. Everyone is a + athlete. He was winning with route running, quick feet and a plus catch radius.

His scouting report never had anything to do with being an elite athlete so I really don't understand what you're getting at. At OU he was in a spread offense and was usually wide open so he was catching bombs and then racking up YAC against a bunch of dudes that couldn't tackle. He had the tools to be a WR1 the question was if he could get off press at the next level and continue to grow as a route runner. Early signs say yes.

My comp was always DeAndre Hopkins who also isn't an elite athlete. You don't have to be to be a stud NFL WR.

 

[HeyItsMe]

6'5" 245 pounds officially.
He blew it out at his pro day in speed tho with 4.44.
And his wingspan is uniquely good.
I think he goes top 6.

The dings:
Vert was pretty bleh at 33.5 by comparison Jamarr Chase who he is competing with as top weapon hit 41.
Broad jump was very bleh as well.
But that speed and wingspan are pretty ridiculous.

His broad jump was 97th percentile for a TE and the best in the last two drafts, it’s very good and well above average. The only semi disappointing number was the 33.5 vertical, but it could have been a poor jump and he is still just 20 years old so by the time he has been in the league and had NFL training even that # could improve. As a comparison, Tony Gonzalez had the exact same vertical but ran a 4.86.

What makes Pitts so special is his speed and agility for a man his size and the fact that he runs routes like an all pro WR from the TE position. His hand size and wingspan are otherworldly and combine that with his height, he is still going to win pretty much all jump balls. Moving him to WR would be a mistake, he is a uniquely special talent if you line him up at TE and this is a guy who could completely transform your offense from that position. If Dallas has a chance to move up to Atlanta’s spot and take him without selling the farm, they should. You won’t find a Kyle Pitts in many other draft.

 

[Rayman70]

His broad jump was 97th percentile for a TE and the best in the last two drafts, it’s very good and well above average. The only semi disappointing number was the 33.5 vertical, but it could have been a poor jump and he is still just 20 years old so by the time he has been in the league and had NFL training even that # could improve. As a comparison, Tony Gonzalez had the exact same vertical but ran a 4.86.

What makes Pitts so special is his speed and agility for a man his size and the fact that he runs routes like an all pro WR from the TE position. His hand size and wingspan are otherworldly and combine that with his height, he is still going to win pretty much all jump balls. Moving him to WR would be a mistake, he is a uniquely special talent if you line him up at TE and this is a guy who could completely transform your offense from that position. If Dallas has a chance to move up to Atlanta’s spot and take him without selling the farm, they should. You won’t find a Kyle Pitts in many other draft.

I see Darren Waller crossed with Randy Moss and some Bob Hayes. I know thats nuts, but he has very elite speed like this for a man that size. It should be criminal lol.What he will need to learn is when to go down and stop scrapping for that extra yard. I do worry about his lower legs and him getting tangled up and hurt. Teams will try to go low on him to take him down. Thats really the only way to slow him down. Jaycee Horn defended him that way, very physical and he went low on him. Pitts struggled against his physicality. He will need to learn how to combat that at the next level. Jerry LOVES him. He views him as his chance at drafting Randy Moss all over again. He won't make the same mistake twice..he won't pass on him if he has his way. This draft is very deep at CB and we can draft 2 guys that can play in the middle rounds at cb/safety.YOU NEVER EVER pass on a generational talent like Pitts if you can find a way to get him.It might mean we have to trade a guy like Gallup if that happens.