People Don’t Want To Hear It

[SixFiveCowboy]

I’d like that elite line too. But we have more urgent needs. We may not have the personnel for the top 2 or 3 OL anymore, due to age and injury, but if healthy, we can still be top ten.

I’d be thrilled with Slater at 10, followed by a mostly defensive draft. I’d also be happy with Pitts at 10 with the rest Defense, or Surtain and then an OT, DT, LB,S...

I'm with you on that I don't see anyway you could pass on Surtain if he's on the board at 10 for Slater. However I would l trade back up in the first if he's sliding and replace Connor Williams with a Zach Martin comparison and solidify the middle of my OL. But there's no way I would do that at 10, CB is a premium position, and with Surtain pedigree to pair with Diggs I think that's a no brainer.

 

[cnuball21]

Why would people not wan't to hear it? Slater is one of the best players in the draft and if he's available at 10 you take him.

He'll likely clearly be the BPA...I don't have complaints with the pick unless we pass on a better talent than him.

 

[Sydla]

Why would people not wan't to hear it? Slater is one of the best players in the draft and if he's available at 10 you take him.

He'll likely clearly be the BPA...I don't have complaints with the pick unless we pass on a better talent than him.

Why are the Cowboys the only team that needs to use high picks to build an OL?

And for those saying it’s smart to use high picks on OL what has all the high picks and money invested in the OL gotten us?

 

[AbeBeta]

Because the don’t want OL in one......but.....


Zack Martin

Height: 6-4

Weight:308

Arm length: 32.88

Wing span:

Hands:

40: 5.22

Bench: 29 reps

Vertical:

Broad Jump:

20 Shuttle:

3 Cone: 7.65


Rashawn Slater

Height: 6-4

Weight: 304

Arm length: 33

Wing span:

Hands:

40: 4.88

Bench: 33 reps

Vertical:

Broad Jump:

20 Shuttle:

3 Cone: 7.48

Lots of guys have Martin's measurables. What they don't have is his incredible football intelligence.

Slater may have that - that's often that case when a guy can play any spot on the line (I certainly believe Zack can play LT and C at a very high level and we've already seen him dominate at RT.

Zack is a generational talent. He and the guy in Indy are about the best interior guys we've seen in years and both will likely end up playing at T because of that.

 

[kskboys]

Parsons is rated higher than Slater.

 

[cnuball21]

Why are the Cowboys the only team that needs to use high picks to build an OL?

And for those saying it’s smart to use high picks on OL what has all the high picks and money invested in the OL gotten us?

We're not...the Bucs just wont the Super Bowl and they have a 1st rounder and 2 2nd rounders on their OL. The 49ers were at their best a few years back when they had a few 1st rounders on their OL.

There's different ways to build a good team, but I believe if you win in the trenches you have a good chance of being good. If the clear cut BPA is OL at 10 I'm fine with it.

 

[kskboys]

We're not...the Bucs just wont the Super Bowl and they have a 1st rounder and 2 2nd rounders on their OL. The 49ers were at their best a few years back when they had a few 1st rounders on their OL.

There's different ways to build a good team, but I believe if you win in the trenches you have a good chance of being good. If the clear cut BPA is OL at 10 I'm fine with it.

In all likelihood there will be no clear cut BPA when we draft. The real standouts are Parsons, Sewell, and Pitts. (Not counting QB's). After those 3, there is a clusterfudge of highly rated guys who are very close.

 

[cnuball21]

In all likelihood there will be no clear cut BPA when we draft. The real standouts are Parsons, Sewell, and Pitts. (Not counting QB's). After those 3, there is a clusterfudge of highly rated guys who are very close.

I think there will be...it's not popular opinion though because it's most likely going to be an offensive player.

I see 4 QBs going ahead of us, leaving Sewell / Slater / Parsons / Pitts / Chase as the best players left in the class. All are solid, top 10 dudes IMO that are better prospects than any of the other defenders left.

I don't think Surtain or Horn are in that caliber of prospect and would hate to see us just reach for need. Take the best player, or try to trade down.

 

[Sydla]

We're not...the Bucs just wont the Super Bowl and they have a 1st rounder and 2 2nd rounders on their OL. The 49ers were at their best a few years back when they had a few 1st rounders on their OL.

There's different ways to build a good team, but I believe if you win in the trenches you have a good chance of being good. If the clear cut BPA is OL at 10 I'm fine with it.

In taking Slater, we'd have used 4 first round picks, a 2nd and a 3rd to try to build an OL in the last 10 years. No one comes close to that.

And what has our building the OL trenches with a lot of high picks gotten us?

 

[75boyz]

In taking Slater, we'd have used 4 first round picks, a 2nd and a 3rd to try to build an OL in the last 10 years. No one comes close to that.

And what has our building the OL trenches with a lot of high picks gotten us?

Well, I mean unless they blow up the whole defensive scouting department there's really no right answer here.

But player for player, Smith has given a HOF level performance during his tenure. As has Martin. FredBeard was a top 3-5 OC for his time served. Collins projected as a first but pre draft off field stuff killed that to an UDFA status. His performance level trajectory is that of excellent to elite based on returning to health.

It's the only thing this team has done well consistently in the last decade. And that's draft and develop their 1st round o linemen.

If you are speaking in terms of team wins only, then I totally follow you.

But an extreme amount of high picks have been invested on all levels of the defense as well(except 1T and FS, I agree) with absolutely no where near the performances received from the investments in the 1st round o linemen.

Something's missing in defensive drafting, development or both imo.

 

[cnuball21]

In taking Slater, we'd have used 4 first round picks, a 2nd and a 3rd to try to build an OL in the last 10 years. No one comes close to that.

And what has our building the OL trenches with a lot of high picks gotten us?

Are we looking at picks over an entire decade or current roster? We have 2 1st rounders on the OL currently...It's gotten us to the playoffs twice with a young, developing QB on a rookie contract where you have to have a good OL.

Regardless I"m all for adding top talent the closer you are at the top of the draft. Who would you take over Slater at 10?

 

[Parcells4Life]

1. Dallas has eleven picks - using a first overall on offense will not crush this draft.
2. Slater is considered to be the most fundamentally sound OL in this draft. He can play inside or out.
3. Arm length is a standard excuse. Martin was playing tackle like a champ on short notice. With the same short arms.
4. Pitts will be to TE's what Moss was to WR's. He is more than a TE. Will Dallas see this comparison and not make the Moss mistake again?

There are several ways to approach this draft. One pick in the first not being defense will not ruin the season.

I would not be sad at picking Surtain. But I would also see this draft start off well if Slater or Pitts were selected.

I want no part of Parsons.

The talent in the first round is not equal to talent later in the draft. Having 7-8 OK players on D doesn’t elevate the D as much as 1 stud would

 

[Rockport]

We had the scheme for one year. DT play has been suspect for years. Talent is a bigger issue than scheme.

I think people thinking Quinn is going to turn JAGs at DT into a good group are going to be disappointed.

And yeah you can’t fix everything in one year but if you keep using first round picks on OL and offensive players, it’s going to take longer to get good, young talent that makes the D better.

I think we’re going to see a much better defeywith Quinn and the continued development of the 2nd and 3rd players and anew draft class coming in. I think you’ll be disappointed that your prediction doesn’t come true as most of yours don’t.

 

[TwoDeep3]

The talent in the first round is not equal to talent later in the draft. Having 7-8 OK players on D doesn’t elevate the D as much as 1 stud would

I agree. I have never advocated trading down for that exact reason.

But in this draft the defenders are not at the top of the first round. So by your theory, using a top pick for a player who is not equivalent to the selection used is wasting as pick. Finding a trade partner just pushes you down the talent path and allows you to get more of the players you are denigrating in your response.

One first round pick will not solve this defense. Especially when the defenders are not to the level of the offensive players at the top.

 

[ultron]

Do they have the same favorite food?

Don’t we all have the same favorite food... pizza?!

 

[Proof]

Don’t we all have the same favorite food... pizza?!

Touché

 

[CATCH17]

I want to hear it.

I’m taking Slater over Surtain.