The Argument For Drafting a QB With the 10 Pick

[Techsass]

Somehow, in 30 years, a quarterback has apparently never been BPA on the Cowboys draft board in the first round.. Not even Aaron Rodgers over Marcus Spears.

Our FO believes luck plays a big role in life. It might be part of Jerry's wildcatting heritage. Tony & Dak weren't chosen to be starters, they were both after thoughts nobody expected to last.

 

[BotchedLobotomy]

Playing devil's advocate, okay?

Please no insults and no references to my intelligence or lack thereof.....Nah, never mind!...Asking for mercy is just pouring gasoline on a fire.

Three times in the past 11 seasons the starting QB went down early in the season and it was all over, crash and burn. It would have been four seasons but a fourth round draft choice miraculously had one of the best rookie seasons in history, who expected that?

The Cowboys rolled out a slew of backups, mostly average quarterbacks when they were in their prime. Sometimes they were on one year contracts meaning that, even if they had a good showing, they were gone the following season.

Why not kill two birds with one stone? Draft a top tier QB, if the starter goes down, the rookie gets experience. He could be a legitimate starter the following season in which case the Cowboys trade one of them. Furthermore, when a player gets paid they seem to have the tendency to play soft that season. A legitimate talent backing him up could put a little fire to Dak's backside.

The rookie salary cap allows the Cowboys to draft a QB in the top ten, I think.

You could draft a productive non-QB player in the top ten but what difference would that make if Dak is injured again or if he performs poorly? Look at the value of good young quarterbacks these days. If the Cowboys cultivate a young QB while he serves as a quality backup, the Cowboys could end up with a trade reaping great value for their future.

Look at the history of the Cowboys successful seasons. Where there not two legitimate starters?....Lebaron/Meredith...Staubach/Morton....Staubach/White....Even Roger Staubach once revealed that a reason for his success was how hard he competed with Danny White, knowing how good his competition was. Jimmy Johnson drafted two QB's #1 overall in his first season, giving up the #1 overall pick in 1990 for taking Steve Walsh in the supplemental draft. Jimmy valued competition.

Ok....let 'er rip!

I would never question someone’s intelligence, but that’s the most idiotic, stupid, dumb, bird brained, absurd, asinine, crackpot, crazy, nutty, silly, hair brained, foolish, and wacky idea I have ever heard.

 

[ShortRound]

That's funny. Because the Dak Pack told us before the contract that his salary would be a bargain once the salary cap increases. But now it's such an overwhelming amount of money that we can't bring in competition. Ever.

Sure you can, just sort the list by DUI’s and broken ankles.

 

[stilltheguru]

If there is a legitimate franchise QB available, they would be dumb to pass him up. Anything other than taking a TE.

I thought I was the only one opposed to the Pitts nonsense.

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

Playing devil's advocate, okay?

Please no insults and no references to my intelligence or lack thereof.....Nah, never mind!...Asking for mercy is just pouring gasoline on a fire.

Three times in the past 11 seasons the starting QB went down early in the season and it was all over, crash and burn. It would have been four seasons but a fourth round draft choice miraculously had one of the best rookie seasons in history, who expected that?

The Cowboys rolled out a slew of backups, mostly average quarterbacks when they were in their prime. Sometimes they were on one year contracts meaning that, even if they had a good showing, they were gone the following season.

Why not kill two birds with one stone? Draft a top tier QB, if the starter goes down, the rookie gets experience. He could be a legitimate starter the following season in which case the Cowboys trade one of them. Furthermore, when a player gets paid they seem to have the tendency to play soft that season. A legitimate talent backing him up could put a little fire to Dak's backside.

The rookie salary cap allows the Cowboys to draft a QB in the top ten, I think.

You could draft a productive non-QB player in the top ten but what difference would that make if Dak is injured again or if he performs poorly? Look at the value of good young quarterbacks these days. If the Cowboys cultivate a young QB while he serves as a quality backup, the Cowboys could end up with a trade reaping great value for their future.

Look at the history of the Cowboys successful seasons. Where there not two legitimate starters?....Lebaron/Meredith...Staubach/Morton....Staubach/White....Even Roger Staubach once revealed that a reason for his success was how hard he competed with Danny White, knowing how good his competition was. Jimmy Johnson drafted two QB's #1 overall in his first season, giving up the #1 overall pick in 1990 for taking Steve Walsh in the supplemental draft. Jimmy valued competition.

Ok....let 'er rip!

on the surface that may make sense, and I believe you based your premise on what happened with Dak, which is not that often to see a rookie have that much success.

the problem is that 4 out of 5 first round QBs fail or end up average in the NFL. given the top 3 picks are expected to be QBs (some say perhaps top 4), then chances of the 10th pick being a NFL worthy QB diminishes, specially since pundits say Lawrence is once in a generation talent and some rank Wilson ahead of him. picking a QB in the first round is a gamble. so do we gamble or go for more of a sure thing like Pitts, Horn or Surtain? specially because that's the side of the ball . everyone wants to have depth and ready players to step in. in the age of salary cap and 53 man roster, that's difficult. so having a QB, just in case, vs. filling positions of need with players that can contribute.....so we have to take a gamble, one way or other. gamble on a QB, that has a high probability of failing in the NFL, or gamble that our QB can stay healthy during the season. that's a gamble that every team in the NFL takes. I don't know of many teams who have luxuary of QB depth in the NFL.

my inclination and vote is to draft a productive player with the 10th pick, as opposed to depth.

 

[Vanilla2]

Prefer defense but if the choice is between the TE and and a QB I’m taking the TE. The QB would be a colossal waste of a #10 pick. If it were me we would’ve made the deal for Adams with this pick long ago

 

[DasSchnitzel]

Don't entirely agree with you, but this is the key point.

I actually can agree with this. Especially if next years qb class is as bad as they are saying. Look at what some of these proven loser qb's are fetching on the trade market. Wentz horrid contract cant stay healthy cant win without elite talent around him, Goff horrid contract cant win without elite everything around him, Stafford proven loser had a hof wr and top picks all over the team and he still couldn't win anything. Darnold his career highlight is beating the cowboys. Supposedly the 9ers want a 1 for goropollo.

The kicker is that you only have to do it once.

If JJ looks the NFL in the eye and takes Lance at 10 after just giving Dak a megadeal, then as long as Dallas is owned by the Jones family, nobody's gonna be trading with the team after us in the draft on the assumption that we won't take their guy.

Fact of the matter is, that QB prospect doesn't become less valuable the moment he's picked. This isn't a new car driving off the lot for the first time. If you take Lance at 10 then all you're doing is forcing everyone making deals with picks 11 to 14 to instead make the deal with you, and now there's a bidding war.

I would almost guarantee that if we picked Lance at 10 then we'd end up picking in the 1st again before the day is over and we'd get at least one nice pick to go along with it.

It's just the opposite of conventional wisdom so it'll never happen because teams don't take crazy shots anymore.

 

[CouchCoach]

The teams that should be doing that is DET at 7 or CAR at 8. Goff and Darnold are still unknowns and they'd have good trade bait, if they do become known.

Any team with 160M on the line for 4 years and wants to probably keep him beyond that would do nothing but piss off the coaches, players and fans, not to mention that QB. He'd prefer to have a player to help his team, not back him up.

 

[Captain-Crash]

yeah, Dak needs the best offensive line in the NFL to keep him from panic. I'd loved to have seen him finish the season with the offensive line Dalton played behind.
The groupies would be calling for the offensive line's head, but somehow it was all Daltons fault we sucked. The offensive line was good enough for Dalton. Smh
Pegleg should have no excuse this year until one guy goes out and then it's the whole offensive line is crap again.

So we better get nothing but offensive linemen in this draft. Well, just the first 5 picks.

 

[Fastpitch Dad]

Lets be nice to our fellow zone members! You need to be benched!!!!

He claims to be a glass half-full kinda guy, but he's the nastiest poster on here.

Honestly don't know why the mods let him get away with the name-calling he does. I would guess because he pays the money.

 

[conner01]

There is a better chance we draft a TE than a QB

 

[CowboyRoy]

I thought I was the only one opposed to the Pitts nonsense.

If Pitts is there, great trade down. Only way I take Pitts is if tackles, corners, LB, QB's are all gone and he is the ONLY quality player there and no one will trade up.

 

[Typhus]

If Trevor Lawrence falls to ten we should absolutely should take him.

Well, I think that is not subject to debate.

 

[Captain-Crash]

He claims to be a glass-half-full kinda guy, but he's the nastiest poster on here.

Honestly don't know why the mods let him get away with the name-calling he does. I would guess because he pays the money.

yep, if you donate the rules go out the window. We can lose posters but we can't lose money.

 

[JD_KaPow]

Playing devil's advocate, okay?

Please no insults and no references to my intelligence or lack thereof.....Nah, never mind!...Asking for mercy is just pouring gasoline on a fire.

Three times in the past 11 seasons the starting QB went down early in the season and it was all over, crash and burn. It would have been four seasons but a fourth round draft choice miraculously had one of the best rookie seasons in history, who expected that?

The Cowboys rolled out a slew of backups, mostly average quarterbacks when they were in their prime. Sometimes they were on one year contracts meaning that, even if they had a good showing, they were gone the following season.

Why not kill two birds with one stone? Draft a top tier QB, if the starter goes down, the rookie gets experience. He could be a legitimate starter the following season in which case the Cowboys trade one of them. Furthermore, when a player gets paid they seem to have the tendency to play soft that season. A legitimate talent backing him up could put a little fire to Dak's backside.

The rookie salary cap allows the Cowboys to draft a QB in the top ten, I think.

You could draft a productive non-QB player in the top ten but what difference would that make if Dak is injured again or if he performs poorly? Look at the value of good young quarterbacks these days. If the Cowboys cultivate a young QB while he serves as a quality backup, the Cowboys could end up with a trade reaping great value for their future.

Look at the history of the Cowboys successful seasons. Where there not two legitimate starters?....Lebaron/Meredith...Staubach/Morton....Staubach/White....Even Roger Staubach once revealed that a reason for his success was how hard he competed with Danny White, knowing how good his competition was. Jimmy Johnson drafted two QB's #1 overall in his first season, giving up the #1 overall pick in 1990 for taking Steve Walsh in the supplemental draft. Jimmy valued competition.

Ok....let 'er rip!

So here's the thing about QBs. They get picked way up high at the top of the draft not because they really rank out that way (although obviously some do), but because teams are universally so desperate for starting QBs that they have to overdraft them or they won't get them at all. Five QBs may go in the first ten picks not because they are five of the top ten talents, but because of the nature of the position.

If you're sitting at ten and not in need of a starting QB, you should do a straight ranking of the talent on the board; you shouldn't be bumping QBs up the way teams that need them do. Using top-tier draft capital to pick the 5th best QB in a class, and expecting him to be able to step in as a rookie and provide high-level play if your starter goes down, does not seem like a great strategy. If you want to get the trade value out of a young QB, get the value during the draft itself in a trade down; let other teams take the risk that he's a bust, rather than have him sit on the bench for a year or two and then try to trade him.

 

[CWR]

If Dak didn't have a no trade clause you might be able to sell me on a qb.

 

[Cowboysheelsreds053]

There's no need for his opinions, so just move on to the second part of your statement.

LOL, this board!

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

yeah, Dak needs the best offensive line in the NFL to keep him from panic. I'd loved to have seen him finish the season with the offensive line Dalton played behind.
The groupies would be calling for the offensive line's head, but somehow it was all Daltons fault we sucked. The offensive line was good enough for Dalton. Smh
Pegleg should have no excuse this year until one guy goes out and then it's the whole offensive line is crap again.

So we better get nothing but offensive linemen in this draft. Well, just the first 5 picks.

you know Dak played behind pretty much the same offensive line....except for 1.5 games that Smith played, half of which was injured and limited. Dalton sucked. I mean he SUCKED. playing against average and playoff teams he laid an ostrich egg with a double yoke. managed 3 points against AZ. laid a collosal egg against washington and Ravens....I will hand it to him though, he was able to beat three 4 win teams, with their back up QBs, and needed 9 turnovers and a defensive TD to even accomplish that.....and then laid the biggest egg of all against a 5 win team in a must win game, which is not surprising because that's what he had done all his career. 0-5 in playoffs. 1-13 against teams in must win games.... that's Dalton for you

are you a dalton groupie? are you planning to root for chicago now?

 

[America's Cowboy]

Dak haters shouldn't be allowed to start threads.

 

[GimmeTheBall!]

How observant of you, Pee Wee Herman.

Your mom agrees.