Cowboys Best/Worst 1st round picks. Ever

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Cowboys Top 10 Best first round picks Ever (you rank 'em- here's mine)

1) Bob Lilly
2) Roger Staubach
3) Randy white
4) Emmitt smith
5) Tony Dorsett
6) Michael Irvin
7) Troy Aikman
8) Rayfield wright
9) Zack martin
10) Tyron smith
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Cowboys Top 10 Worst first round picks Ever: (you rank 'em - here's mine)

1) Rod Hill
2) Morris Claiborne
3) Taco Charleton
4 Danny Noonan
5 Kevin Brooks
6) Howard Richard
7) Shante Carver
8) David LaFluer
9) Felix jones
10) Bobby Carpenter

2 big thisng...
1) you have non 1st rounders on your list
2)What's your criteria?
  • How good a career they had?
or
  • The value of the pick for where in the first they were selected?

I mean, as the 5th overall pick, the VALUE or return on investment for Claiborne was bad
But if you're looking at how good a career they had, well, there were a ton of way worse picks.

And Felix was a bad pick (especially given that Chris Johnson went right after him) pick but not he did actually contribute to the team for several years.
 

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☆Bob Lilly '61
☆Lee Roy Jordan '63
☆John Niland '66
☆Calvin Hill '69
☆Duane Thomas '70
☆Billy Joe Dupree '73
☆Ed "too tall" Jones '74
☆Randy White '75
☆Thomas "hollywood" Henderson '75
☆Aaron Kyle '76
☆Tony Dorsett '77
☆Jim Jeffcoat '83
☆Michael Irvin '88
☆Troy Aikman '89
☆Emmitt Smith '90
☆Russell Maryland '91
☆Alvin Harper '91
☆Kevin Smith '92
☆Robert Jones '92
☆Greg Ellis '98
☆Roy Williams '02
☆Terrence Newman '03
☆Demarcus Ware '05
☆Marcus Spears '05
☆Dez Bryant '010
☆Tyron Smith '011
☆Travis Frederick '013
☆Zack Martin '014

my top 12 from the above group
the dirty dozen:
1.bob lilly '61
2.lee roy jordan '63
3.ed too tall jones '74
4.randy white '75
5.tony dorsett '77
6.michael irvin '88
7.troy aikman '89
8.emmitt smith '90
9.demarcus ware '05
10.tyron smith '11
11.travis frederick '13
12.zack martin '14
And the point of this thread is?
 

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Best:
1. Troy Aikman
2. Bob Lilly
3. Emmitt Smith
4. Michael Irvin
5. Tony Dorsett
6. Randy White
7. Ed 'Too Tall' Jones
8. Tyron Smith
9. Zach Martin
10. Billy Joe Dupree

Worst:
1. Rod Hill
2. Billy Cannon Jr
3. Shante Carver
4. Taco Charlton
5. Larry Bethea
6. Robert Shaw
7. Kevin Brooks
8. David LaFleur
9. Charley Young
10. Tody Smith
How can you leave Barbie Carpenter off of your Worst list? He’s arguably 1 or 2.
 

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Seriously. Go through the list of all time RBs, and you’ll see a list of guys who didn’t win rings, except for Emmitt who played with a HoF qb, and Walter who had the best defense ever.

Putting up 1500 rushing yards is impressive, but it’s not what wins championships.

now look at the list of above average to pretty good QBs who won without great RBs.

Emmitt was an important cog in the machine, absolutely, but Troy was the operator. An average team with an average QB and a great RB will lose to an average team with an average RB and just a good QB.

Thats just how football works. It’s why Matt Ryan gets paid more than any non-QB ever, that’s why QBs are overvalued in the draft, and that’s why they get all the glory. The game is designed around them.

It’s same argument about not drafting Pitts. Positional hierarchy. Of the 22 starting positions on O/D, TE is arguably 22nd most important, even guys like Gonzalez and Witten don’t change a lot in the grand scheme.

Ok That’s gonna be how you see that scenario and situation.
Mine is gonna be totally different than yours.

- And I’ve always detailed examples earlier of how it was Emmitt Smith that the most important and leading cog that got this offense going, how it was mostly structured around him,
and what his presence and production impacted the winning- losing of this entire team and what opposing defenses feared most from this offense.

- Now of course Troy was no slouch, he had his tools and elements too that impacted the team dynasty, and clutch play in the playoffs that made Its mark in our SB drives- especially
that first huge playoff upset win over Niners in NFC title game

- What I noticed that gets lost in the discussions with over glowing of offensive players and Super Bowl teams, is the importance of Defense – for which I am a definite huge believer
that it is the Defense that wins championships . what seems to get lost in discussion is how we Cowboys built a helluva championship caliber competitive defense.
in those SB winning runs that could deal with the Steve Youngs, …Brett Favres, … …. Jim Kellys, ..and that shouldn’t be an overlooked, undervalue element.

- Super Bowls have been won with average QBs (ala Joe Flacco, Nick Foles) but either throughout a game or a critical point at game’s end, it tends to come down to the Defense.
 

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Ok That’s gonna be how you see that scenario and situation.
Mine is gonna be totally different than yours.

- And I’ve always detailed examples earlier of how it was Emmitt Smith that the most important and leading cog that got this offense going, how it was mostly structured around him,
and what his presence and production impacted the winning- losing of this entire team and what opposing defenses feared most from this offense.

- Now of course Troy was no slouch, he had his tools and elements too that impacted the team dynasty, and clutch play in the playoffs that made Its mark in our SB drives- especially
that first huge playoff upset win over Niners in NFC title game

- What I noticed that gets lost in the discussions with over glowing of offensive players and Super Bowl teams, is the importance of Defense – for which I am a definite huge believer
that it is the Defense that wins championships . what seems to get lost in discussion is how we Cowboys built a helluva championship caliber competitive defense.
in those SB winning runs that could deal with the Steve Youngs, …Brett Favres, … …. Jim Kellys, ..and that shouldn’t be an overlooked, undervalue element.

- Super Bowls have been won with average QBs (ala Joe Flacco, Nick Foles) but either throughout a game or a critical point at game’s end, it tends to come down to the Defense.

absolutely defense is important, the entire team is, my point was never that Emmitt wasn’t important. But take away his QB and D’s start stacking that box... you may still have the all time leading rusher but say goodbye to those 12 win seasons.
 

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Cowboys Top 10 Best first round picks Ever (you rank 'em- here's mine)

1) Bob Lilly
2) Roger Staubach
3) Randy white
4) Emmitt smith
5) Tony Dorsett
6) Michael Irvin
7) Troy Aikman
8) Rayfield wright
9) Zack martin
10) Tyron smith
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Cowboys Top 10 Worst first round picks Ever: (you rank 'em - here's mine)

1) Rod Hill
2) Morris Claiborne
3) Taco Charleton
4 Danny Noonan
5 Kevin Brooks
6) Howard Richard
7) Shante Carver
8) David LaFluer
9) Felix jones
10) Bobby Carpenter
Yeah Felix Jones belongs in there. But he did help the first season
 

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Randy White may have been better in your eyes than Aikman, but he’s not close to as valuable a pick as getting your franchise qb with the first overall. Positional value. Without Randy, Too Tall and Roger Staubach and Tony Dorsett are still champions. How far do you honestly get in the 90’s without Aikman?

Morris Claiborne actually played and started for good Cowboys teams. It’s not possible to value that lower than what you got out of Taco Charlton, even if you spent a lot to get Claiborne. Charlton did nothing and was cut after his second season. A disappointment is always superior to a wasted pick. 10 times 0 is still 0.

Staubach was drafted in the 10th round....
Did you really say that. Randy white was the best first round pick we probably ever heard
 

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Agree with Lilly...

But Carter was pretty good for a few years. Didn’t he have 5 picks one season? That’s a lot for his position.
Yes, Carter was a decent player...plus he was not even a 1st round pick
 

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2 big thisng...
1) you have non 1st rounders on your list
2)What's your criteria?
  • How good a career they had?
or
  • The value of the pick for where in the first they were selected?

I mean, as the 5th overall pick, the VALUE or return on investment for Claiborne was bad
But if you're looking at how good a career they had, well, there were a ton of way worse picks.

And Felix was a bad pick (especially given that Chris Johnson went right after him) pick but not he did actually contribute to the team for several years.

While your rest of your post seems confusing, when bringing up Felix Jones over Chris Johnson, even after running an blistering NFL Combine record 4.24, why wasn't Chris Johnson drafted
much early in the first round with another NFL team ?

In fairness, no one imagine Johnson was gonna be near as good as he was coming into the NFL- otherwise CJ would have went far more earlier in the 1st round than he did being just 24th overall.
 

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Just drafting Randy White, Outland Trophy winner All-American, and having him turn out great isn't necessarily all that impressive. To rate high, I think you should do something special or unexpected that works out well.

1) Bob Lilly - Even in a loaded 1961 NFL Draft, getting Lilly at #13 was such a colossal steal. There probably aren't 12 players in the history of the game better than Bob Lilly.

2) Calvin Hill - Pro Bowler and the Cowboys' first 1,000-yard rusher. Controversial pick because he came from the Ivy League. Bold choice.

3) Ed "Too Tall" Jones - A lot of teams would shy away from using a #1 overall pick on someone from such a small school (Tennessee State). The Cowboys didn't.

4) Tony Dorsett - traded up 25 spots to get a Hall of Famer. Epic!

5) Travis Frederick - Of all of the recent draft picks, Frederick was the *** pick that made good. Everyone thought the Cowboys had lost their minds. His grades were 2nd to 5th round. People were just hoping he'd be serviceable. Instead, he was an All-Pro. One of Jerry Jones' proudest draft moments.

6) Thomas "Hollywood" Henderson - another small college steal of the Seventies. All hail Gil Brandt's computer.

7) Duane Thomas - That rare player that didn't run his mouth out of a team, but did the opposite. Nonetheless, another small college steal who was arguably the MVP of SB VI.

8 & 9) Kevin Smith and Robert Jones - The 1992 NFL draft was notoriously weak, the only draft without a Hall of Famer. So to get 1 Pro Bowler and 1 close-to-Pro-Bowl-before-his-injury guy in Smith was pretty good drafting. It was better in the second round, when the Cowboys drafted the only 2 possible HoFers out of this draft - Jimmy Smith and Darren Woodson - on successive picks.

10) Michael Irvin - The thing about Irvin is that the Cowboys were supposedly so enamored with him that they would have taken him if they had the #1 pick. Good scouting.
 

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Cowboys Top 10 Worst first round picks Ever: (you rank 'em - here's mine)

1) Rod Hill
2) Morris Claiborne
3) Taco Charleton
4 Danny Noonan
5 Kevin Brooks
6) Howard Richard
7) Shante Carver
8) David LaFluer
9) Felix jones
10) Bobby Carpenter

Billy Cannon, Jr. was such a wasted first round pick that you completely forgot him. He played 8 games his rookie year (1984). That's it. That's his career.
 
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