Milton Williams spider chart

Cowboyny said:
Elite, athletic traits, don't always translate into good football players. This is a huge problem with McClay and our front office, they love to target these high level athletes, but avoid the good football players.
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They probably value him too highly, but he isnt Trysten Williams either. Trysten was a bad player, with a bad attiude and elite traits. They were arrogant in thinking they could mold him. Williams is raw, but he doesn't have Hill's red flags
 
People wanna compare him to Aaron Donald , his chart looks identical, that should worry you...
 
His production matches his athleticism.

there’s the concern he gets pushed around by power run schemes at the NFL level.
But he would be great to have to play 3T and rush the passer.
 
darthseinfeld said:
They probably value him too highly, but he isnt Trysten Williams either. Trysten was a bad player, with a bad attiude and elite traits. They were arrogant in thinking they could mold him. Williams is raw, but he doesn't have Hill's red flags
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His development would be all about his want to and having the right coaches teaching him. Think he is a 3T only on the next level. With the Cowboy bad recent history of drafting/developing defensive players, much rather them draft high floor players. A player like Basham comes to mind, might not have a huge upside, but he will be a productive player for a long time.
 
Cowboyny said:
His development would be all about his want to and having the right coaches teaching him.
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“Milton is not a man of many words,” Tech coach Skip Holtz told The News Star. “But when he speaks, everybody listens. He is a leader, I think he’s viewed as a leader. His leadership is, ‘Just follow me.’ It’s easy when it’s one of your best players, and you can say to a young player, ‘Why don’t you work more like Milt? Why aren’t you more like him?’ That’s leadership. A lot of guys, you don’t want them paying attention to the guy in front of them, you want them to do more than him. But Milton just leads by example.”
 
DakPresgoat said:
His production matches his athleticism.

there’s the concern he gets pushed around by power run schemes at the NFL level.
But he would be great to have to play 3T and rush the passer.
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He played mostly 5T at LAT. Not a great position fit for him, as he doesnt have great length. He is definitely an NFL 3T, that should be able to play in that 4 gap Quinn likes to use as well. However 3T is going to be his most effective spot in the NFL
 
DakPresgoat said:
His production matches his athleticism.

there’s the concern he gets pushed around by power run schemes at the NFL level.
But he would be great to have to play 3T and rush the passer.
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I kind of like him more than most here I think. I feel pretty confident that Quinn would put him in the right situations to use that elite athleticism. Something seemed off with the defensive drafting with Marinelli here. I’m not just piling on an ex-coach or anything, but some of the guys that he wanted the team to get just seemed a little off.

I’m hoping that it is a different story with Quinn. I do think Williams can be a really good interior pass rusher. He isn’t bad against the run either but that wasn’t in the NFL, so it remains to be seen how he does against better competition.

I guess I’m saying that I wouldn’t hate the pick. His traits are rare as rare can be.
 
darthseinfeld said:
“Milton is not a man of many words,” Tech coach Skip Holtz told The News Star. “But when he speaks, everybody listens. He is a leader, I think he’s viewed as a leader. His leadership is, ‘Just follow me.’ It’s easy when it’s one of your best players, and you can say to a young player, ‘Why don’t you work more like Milt? Why aren’t you more like him?’ That’s leadership. A lot of guys, you don’t want them paying attention to the guy in front of them, you want them to do more than him. But Milton just leads by example.”
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Are you ok with him at 44? If they want him probably either have to take him here or trade up from 75. Seems like a RKG, but I want a day 1, plug and play starter at 44, which he isn't.
 
Cowboyny said:
Are you ok with him at 44? If they want him probably either have to take him here or trade up from 75. Seems like a RKG, but I want a day 1, plug and play starter at 44, which he isn't.
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Id be fine with him at 44. I have a different veiw of drafting than you do. You want plug and play starters at 44. That sounds great, but its no guarantee you are getting that. Even if you draft a "high floor guy". High floor/low ceiling guys bust alot too. They way I view the draft, is you are building a team long term. You are looking what you get over the next 4 to 8 years over what you may get in year 1. If you are hoping for a rookie to come in and get you closer to contention, then you are so far from contention that its moot.

As far as Williams, he will be a contributor his first year. I dont see his learning as steep as to suggest he gets redshirted
 
darthseinfeld said:
Id be fine with him at 44. I have a different veiw of drafting than you do. You want plug and play starters at 44. That sounds great, but its no guarantee you are getting that. Even if you draft a "high floor guy". High floor/low ceiling guys bust alot too. They way I view the draft, is you are building a team long term. You are looking what you get over the next 4 to 8 years over what you may get in year 1. If you are hoping for a rookie to come in and get you closer to contention, then you are so far from contention that its moot.

As far as Williams, he will be a contributor his first year. I dont see his learning as steep as to suggest he gets redshirted
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He is a boom or bust prospect for me. I would be sick, if they took him over one of the top three safeties or a quality edge. Agree to disagree, but there is a good chance he becomes a Cowboy based on the reports.
 
Cowboyny said:
He is a boom or bust prospect for me. I would be sick, if they took him over one of the top three safeties or a quality edge. Agree to disagree, but there is a good chance he becomes a Cowboy based on the reports.
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I will say this. With alot of these lower level D1 prospects, you have to consider how they are played and coached as well. Williams played alot of 5T at LAT, and its probably one his worst fits in a DL. He really doesnt have the length to take over at that spot. I remember similar issues with Poe when he came. His tape was so bad, we literally laughed at it on C-F. Especially when they played him in 5 and 6 gaps. Two years later he was an All Pro. At the draft prospect stage in his career, all he really had going for him was his traits and a very good motor. Had very good football character, and that was got him from raw traits prospect to all pro. One of the reasons Im comfortable with a gamble on Williams is that he seems like a self starter
 
Cowboyny said:
His development would be all about his want to and having the right coaches teaching him. Think he is a 3T only on the next level. With the Cowboy bad recent history of drafting/developing defensive players, much rather them draft high floor players. A player like Basham comes to mind, might not have a huge upside, but he will be a productive player for a long time.
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Sort of a swing for the fence, which is scary. On the other hand, I think we'd all love to have a dynamic DT, and there isn't a "safe" potential star at the position in this draft.

I'm kinda with you -- 44 is an expensive place to go casino. But it seems a lot of teams like the guy in this area. Unless this is a media-driven, false signal. It doesn't seem as if this would be a case of the Cowboys trying to outsmart the league.

I'd rather take a Grant, a Holland, a Basham or even a Turner, assuming it is a CB at one. But I can't say William's would be a wild swing in the dark.
 
JBS said:
He has Jordan Pickford arms
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Quinn generally covers length, which would argue against the pick. So does the team. But there Re exceptions. Maybe they think his positives outweigh the negatives. If he had the same athletic traits and also had length and a bit more heft, he'd be a first rounder.
 
Shake_Tiller said:
Quinn generally covers length, which would argue against the pick. So does the team. But there Re exceptions. Maybe they think his positives outweigh the negatives. If he had the same athletic traits and also had length and a bit more heft, he'd be a first rounder.
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Instead he isn't a very good football player
 
Cowboyny said:
He is a boom or bust prospect for me. I would be sick, if they took him over one of the top three safeties or a quality edge. Agree to disagree, but there is a good chance he becomes a Cowboy based on the reports.
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Come on now. I would love to see a combination of Paye and Williams as our first two picks. I think we all would be surprised at how much better our defense would be. Two quality front 7 players with great athletic traits might be the way to go. Don’t think it would happen but I would keep an open mind about it.
 
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