Dolphins looking to trade up from 18th into top 10. Should Cowboys answer?

[ESisback]

VERY intriguing! 5 picks out of the top 100? There’s a lot of quality spread out over the first few rounds, especially on defense.

 

[visionary]

The Phins want Jaelan Phillips.
They realize that Giants (#11), Vikings (#14), and Patriots (#16) are all eyeing Phillips.
Meanwhile Dallas at #10, eyes a freakin' CB that is passive non-impactful island-player that plays 25 yards from the line of scrimmage.

totally agree
We need front 7 and FS not CB

 

[Typhus]

It's up to the best judgments of those like Will McClay and Dan Quinn to decide.
For goodness sakes, don't listen to Jerry & Son! Rely upon the "Football Guys!"

I believe its a fair bet worth taking that the phones are actually ringing for our first this year, bet they were when we had the fourth overall as well,, I was really surprised when we took Zeke at 4, I thought for sure in that draft that they would have moved back, so we will see who is really running the show now.
So 2016 isnt that far removed, that was holding the 4 and taking Zeke, and most of Cowboy Country was happier than a hillbilly standing in a field of dreams.
So here we stand in 2021 with the same amount of gun powder basically.. 10 vs 4 is about a close a comparison to a draft that worthy of this comparison in draft stock/leverage.. doesnt matter what you call it, the value is what has to be recognized.
What Im saying is this draft, that 10 slot has a lot of value, as much as the 4 when we drafted Zeke.
Stephen,, please be the good son and hide the JW Blue before Thursday, and try and convince pops to go lay down and take a nap while we get through what happens on day one.

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

2021 NFL Draft Rumors: Dolphins looking to trade up for second top-ten pick?

• By Kevin Nogle
• on April 24, 2021 5:32 pm

Christopher Hanewinckel-USA TODAY Sports

The Miami Dolphins have already been busy in the 2021 NFL Draft, trading out of the third position, back to the 12th spot, then back up to the sixth-overall pick. Rumors over the past few days have the Dolphins considering another trade, with the common though that Miami could trade back to add additional picks either this year or in 2022. Now, however, there is some speculation that Miami could be looking to trade up, but not from the sixth spot, but rather from their second first-round pick, the 18th-overall selection.

https://www-thephinsider-com.cdn.ampproject.org/v/s/www.thephinsider.com/platform/amp/2021/4/24/22401377/2021-nfl-draft-rumors-dolphins-looking-to-trade-for-second-top-ten-pick?amp_js_v=a6&amp_gsa=1&usqp=mq331AQFKAGwASA=#aoh=16193223977578&csi=0&referrer=https://www.google.com&amp_tf=From %1$s&ampshare=https://www.thephinsider.com/2021/4/24/22401377/2021-nfl-draft-rumors-dolphins-looking-to-trade-for-second-top-ten-pick

Dolphins currently own the (1st round) 6th, 18th and (2nd round) 50th overall picks (in RED) within the first 2 rounds.

The Cowboys own the (1st round) 10th and (2nd round) 44th overall picks (in GREEN) within the first 2 rounds.

If the Cowboys and Dolphins agreed to make a trade:

Dolphins move up from the 18th pick and get the Cowboys 10th overall pick, the Cowboys would move down 8 spots and get the Dolphins 18th overall pick while also getting the Dolphins 50th overall pick. Those 2 picks (18th & 50th) would equal the trade value (700 points difference) to trade away the 10th overall pick to the Dolphins. That would move the Cowboys down 8 spots in the 1st round, but it would also give the Cowboys another mid-2nd round pick, thus giving them 2 picks in every round (2nd, 3rd & 4th rounds) while still having a pick in the teens in the 1st round (Cowboys have snatched up great players in the teens spot in the 1st round in the past).

Would you rather stay put and only have 1 pick to use in each first 2 rounds, or would you make the trade down while still getting a 1st round pick in the teens while grabbing an extra mid-2nd round pick, thus securing 2 picks in each round (2nd, 3rd & 4th rounds)?


Lots of holes to fill on this team, especially Defense.

What say you? Should the Cowboys trade down a few picks in the 1st round while gaining an extra mid-2nd round pick or stay pat?

depends. if Pitts is there (which I doubt), I would say no...just grab him (yes, I am a bit infatuated with him). however, I think this is a deep DB class devoid of super stars, thus you can grab one lower in the round. perhaps the extra second round pick can fetch a DT or a saftey or a LB.....or possibly used to trade up to grab a Jarmin Davis at the bottom of the first.....

 

[kevm3]

I believe its a fair bet worth taking that the phones are actually ringing for our first this year, bet they were when we had the fourth overall as well,, I was really surprised when we took Zeke at 4, I thought for sure in that draft that they would have moved back, so we will see who is really running the show now.
So 2016 isnt that far removed, that was holding the 4 and taking Zeke, and most of Cowboy Country was happier than a hillbilly standing in a field of dreams.
So here we stand in 2021 with the same amount of gun powder basically.. 10 vs 4 is about a close a comparison to a draft that worthy of this comparison in draft stock/leverage.. doesnt matter what you call it, the value is what has to be recognized.
What Im saying is this draft, that 10 slot has a lot of value, as much as the 4 when we drafted Zeke.
Stephen,, please be the good son and hide the JW Blue before Thursday, and try and convince pops to go lay down and take a nap while we get through what happens on day one.

Assuming the draft fell in a similar way, we could have had Jalen Ramsey with that 4 and Derek Henry with our second pick. Imagine Jalen Ramsey, Derek Henry, and Dak Prescott.

 

[CATCH17]

You can’t convince me this isn’t the best defensive talent in this years class..

 

[TwentyOne]

2021 NFL Draft Rumors: Dolphins looking to trade up for second top-ten pick?

• By Kevin Nogle
• on April 24, 2021 5:32 pm

Christopher Hanewinckel-USA TODAY Sports

The Miami Dolphins have already been busy in the 2021 NFL Draft, trading out of the third position, back to the 12th spot, then back up to the sixth-overall pick. Rumors over the past few days have the Dolphins considering another trade, with the common though that Miami could trade back to add additional picks either this year or in 2022. Now, however, there is some speculation that Miami could be looking to trade up, but not from the sixth spot, but rather from their second first-round pick, the 18th-overall selection.

https://www-thephinsider-com.cdn.ampproject.org/v/s/www.thephinsider.com/platform/amp/2021/4/24/22401377/2021-nfl-draft-rumors-dolphins-looking-to-trade-for-second-top-ten-pick?amp_js_v=a6&amp_gsa=1&usqp=mq331AQFKAGwASA=#aoh=16193223977578&csi=0&referrer=https://www.google.com&amp_tf=From %1$s&ampshare=https://www.thephinsider.com/2021/4/24/22401377/2021-nfl-draft-rumors-dolphins-looking-to-trade-for-second-top-ten-pick

Dolphins currently own the (1st round) 6th, 18th and (2nd round) 50th overall picks (in RED) within the first 2 rounds.

The Cowboys own the (1st round) 10th and (2nd round) 44th overall picks (in GREEN) within the first 2 rounds.

If the Cowboys and Dolphins agreed to make a trade:

Dolphins move up from the 18th pick and get the Cowboys 10th overall pick, the Cowboys would move down 8 spots and get the Dolphins 18th overall pick while also getting the Dolphins 50th overall pick. Those 2 picks (18th & 50th) would equal the trade value (700 points difference) to trade away the 10th overall pick to the Dolphins. That would move the Cowboys down 8 spots in the 1st round, but it would also give the Cowboys another mid-2nd round pick, thus giving them 2 picks in every round (2nd, 3rd & 4th rounds) while still having a pick in the teens in the 1st round (Cowboys have snatched up great players in the teens spot in the 1st round in the past).

Would you rather stay put and only have 1 pick to use in each first 2 rounds, or would you make the trade down while still getting a 1st round pick in the teens while grabbing an extra mid-2nd round pick, thus securing 2 picks in each round (2nd, 3rd & 4th rounds)?


Lots of holes to fill on this team, especially Defense.

What say you? Should the Cowboys trade down a few picks in the 1st round while gaining an extra mid-2nd round pick or stay pat?

If Sewell is not there at 10 i say yes.

Surtain is a 15-20 pick player
Horn is in the 20-25 range.

From all i hear we are in love with Horn. So we will get a player we adore and extra picks.

 

[Ranching]

What about Dallas 10, 44 for Miami's 18, 36 and 50?

I'd rather get 18 and 36 for 10. They'll do it if they fall in love with a player. That would give us 3 picks in the top 44. Possibly 3 defensive starters. To good to happen....lol

 

[Western]

Lol just read this after posting.


If Phillips has no long term issues then I don’t know what we are doing drafting a freaking corner.

His health/medical status is clean.
Negative/sloppy media reports have perpetrated the negative portrayal of his medical history.
Very similar to the Warren Sapp fall in the 1995 draft -- sensational stories drive a narrative that surround a draftee.
When in fact, no such narrative exists -- and a quality player falls in the draft.


Smart GM's avoid the clutter of misinformation, and fear.

"He's a freak," NFL Network draft expert Daniel Jeremiah...."He's one of the 10 best football players in this draft."
https://www.baltimoreravens.com/news/mock-draft-spotlight-jaelan-phillips

The Giants, Vikings, Patriots, and Phins are ready to pounce on this guy right after the #10 selection.
I agree with you, Dallas likewise should pull the trigger on this player rather than on an over-glorified non-impactful position like CB.

 

[Bullflop]

I believe its a fair bet worth taking that the phones are actually ringing for our first this year, bet they were when we had the fourth overall as well,, I was really surprised when we took Zeke at 4, I thought for sure in that draft that they would have moved back, so we will see who is really running the show now.
So 2016 isnt that far removed, that was holding the 4 and taking Zeke, and most of Cowboy Country was happier than a hillbilly standing in a field of dreams.
So here we stand in 2021 with the same amount of gun powder basically.. 10 vs 4 is about a close a comparison to a draft that worthy of this comparison in draft stock/leverage.. doesnt matter what you call it, the value is what has to be recognized.
What Im saying is this draft, that 10 slot has a lot of value, as much as the 4 when we drafted Zeke.
Stephen,, please be the good son and hide the JW Blue before Thursday, and try and convince pops to go lay down and take a nap while we get through what happens on day one.

I can't wait, myself . . . here's hoping that endless wait turns out to be worth it. I'm hoping McClay and Quinn work in tandem with each other and avoid all the "hollabaloo" over who to take between the talents at hand. I'm sure they both have their druthers, although, it'd surely help if they'll arrive at a mutual preference when the time comes to make the momentous selections. Will Jerry and Stephen wisely listen to them? Let us pray . . .

By now, Jerry and son should be willing to listen to their preferences and know better than to decide for themselves. They've should know they've made enough boo-boos in the past to take a back seat, by now. You've gotta wonder if those big egos between their ears might tell them differently. Perish the thought. Of course, that's especially so, if Johnny Walker resides in Jerry's belly (and brain) beforehand. Maybe he's wiser, by now? I'm kidding.

With ten picks to work with, any halfway worthy fan should be able to make at least a few (or more) astute decisions with the knowledgeable advice available to be had. Here's hoping most of us witnessing the goings-on might be reasonably happy with the final results. The merciful Lord in heaven certainly knows we deserve it, after all we've been through.

 

[Redball Express]

2021 NFL Draft Rumors: Dolphins looking to trade up for second top-ten pick?

• By Kevin Nogle
• on April 24, 2021 5:32 pm

Christopher Hanewinckel-USA TODAY Sports

The Miami Dolphins have already been busy in the 2021 NFL Draft, trading out of the third position, back to the 12th spot, then back up to the sixth-overall pick. Rumors over the past few days have the Dolphins considering another trade, with the common though that Miami could trade back to add additional picks either this year or in 2022. Now, however, there is some speculation that Miami could be looking to trade up, but not from the sixth spot, but rather from their second first-round pick, the 18th-overall selection.

https://www-thephinsider-com.cdn.ampproject.org/v/s/www.thephinsider.com/platform/amp/2021/4/24/22401377/2021-nfl-draft-rumors-dolphins-looking-to-trade-for-second-top-ten-pick?amp_js_v=a6&amp_gsa=1&usqp=mq331AQFKAGwASA=#aoh=16193223977578&csi=0&referrer=https://www.google.com&amp_tf=From %1$s&ampshare=https://www.thephinsider.com/2021/4/24/22401377/2021-nfl-draft-rumors-dolphins-looking-to-trade-for-second-top-ten-pick

Dolphins currently own the (1st round) 6th, 18th and (2nd round) 50th overall picks (in RED) within the first 2 rounds.

The Cowboys own the (1st round) 10th and (2nd round) 44th overall picks (in GREEN) within the first 2 rounds.

If the Cowboys and Dolphins agreed to make a trade:

Dolphins move up from the 18th pick and get the Cowboys 10th overall pick, the Cowboys would move down 8 spots and get the Dolphins 18th overall pick while also getting the Dolphins 50th overall pick. Those 2 picks (18th & 50th) would equal the trade value (700 points difference) to trade away the 10th overall pick to the Dolphins. That would move the Cowboys down 8 spots in the 1st round, but it would also give the Cowboys another mid-2nd round pick, thus giving them 2 picks in every round (2nd, 3rd & 4th rounds) while still having a pick in the teens in the 1st round (Cowboys have snatched up great players in the teens spot in the 1st round in the past).

Would you rather stay put and only have 1 pick to use in each first 2 rounds, or would you make the trade down while still getting a 1st round pick in the teens while grabbing an extra mid-2nd round pick, thus securing 2 picks in each round (2nd, 3rd & 4th rounds)?


Lots of holes to fill on this team, especially Defense.

What say you? Should the Cowboys trade down a few picks in the 1st round while gaining an extra mid-2nd round pick or stay pat?

Stay Pat unless a potential starter is part of the trade. We need players at numerous positions. Either a player or another high pick for a starter only. You have to admire teams that go ahead and target a player and move to get them. We could do that but we get slowed down drafting reclamation projects and trying to make them succeed. Got to stop that.

 

[CyberB0b]

I wouldn't do it for the 50th pick. They'll have to do better.

 

[skinsscalper]

Any trade that doesn't involve their 1st next year is a nope. That's too far down to drop for 2nd and 3rd round picks.

 

[Vanilla2]

Depends on who’s sitting there when the clock strikes 10. Is my guy there? is he can’t miss? can I find similar value in later rounds? Just another fine example of how Dallas missed the opportunity to use this strange pick to work out a deal for Adams

 

[CATCH17]

His health/medical status is clean.
Negative/sloppy media reports have perpetrated the negative portrayal of his medical history.
Very similar to the Warren Sapp fall in the 1995 draft -- sensational stories drive a narrative that surround a draftee.
When in fact, no such narrative exists -- and a quality player falls in the draft.


Smart GM's avoid the clutter of misinformation, and fear.

"He's a freak," NFL Network draft expert Daniel Jeremiah...."He's one of the 10 best football players in this draft."
https://www.baltimoreravens.com/news/mock-draft-spotlight-jaelan-phillips

The Giants, Vikings, Patriots, and Phins are ready to pounce on this guy right after the #10 selection.
I agree with you, Dallas likewise should pull the trigger on this player rather than on an over-glorified non-impactful position like CB.

Good stuff..

Hopefully Dallas surprises us all and actually makes a step in the right direction Thursday instead of drafting a do nothing corner because of need.

 

[ESisback]

Doesn’t really matter who they pick, there will NEVER be a shortage of disappointed speculators. People are chomping at the bit for the draft, so we FINALLY know, putting the wraps on the ENDLESS (and mostly gloomy) speculation. Of course it’ll shift to endless speculation on the FO failure, the future of failure awaiting us, and the never ending unhappiness of a fanbase.

 

[CalPolyTechnique]

His health/medical status is clean.
Negative/sloppy media reports have perpetrated the negative portrayal of his medical history.
Very similar to the Warren Sapp fall in the 1995 draft -- sensational stories drive a narrative that surround a draftee.
When in fact, no such narrative exists -- and a quality player falls in the draft.


Smart GM's avoid the clutter of misinformation, and fear.

"He's a freak," NFL Network draft expert Daniel Jeremiah...."He's one of the 10 best football players in this draft."
https://www.baltimoreravens.com/news/mock-draft-spotlight-jaelan-phillips

The Giants, Vikings, Patriots, and Phins are ready to pounce on this guy right after the #10 selection.
I agree with you, Dallas likewise should pull the trigger on this player rather than on an over-glorified non-impactful position like CB.

Jaelen Phillips is the best defensive linemen in this class.

That said, where are getting information the Giants, Vikings, Patriots, and Phins want to draft him? Mock drafts?

 

[jazzcat22]

If I’m going down 8 spots in rd 1 I’m losing out in most players with a rd 1 grade

if they’re coming up 8 spots it is for a premium player

therefore I’ll want a rd 2 and rd 3 pick in addition to 18. They have a lot of picks

but yes, I’d love to do it

Though a 2nd and 3rd would be nice, but I would want more (greedy, LOL), though the draft chart points say a 2nd.
8 spots is a big drop, unless players drop, like the CB's. If we can get Horn at 18, get a 2nd and 3rd and some 2022 pick, like a 2nd. Of course a 2022 1st would get it done.

 

[visionary]

Though a 2nd and 3rd would be nice, but I would want more (greedy, LOL), though the draft chart points say a 2nd.
8 spots is a big drop, unless players drop, like the CB's. If we can get Horn at 18, get a 2nd and 3rd and some 2022 pick, like a 2nd. Of course a 2022 1st would get it done.

I’m perfectly happy taking Moehrig at 18 and then take

2a: Nixon/Levi O
2b: Stokes/Campbell/Meli
3a: McNeill
3b: Adebo
3c: OL
4a: Werner
4b: Browning

that’s the basis for a really strong defense by the end of this year

 

[jazzcat22]

I’m perfectly happy taking Moehrig at 18 and then take

2a: Nixon/Levi O
2b: Stokes/Campbell/Meli
3a: McNeill
3b: Adebo
3c: OL
4a: Werner
4b: Browning

that’s the basis for a really strong defense by the end of this year

I would love that draft. Send McClay your plan.