Fisher: Source 'narrowing focus' to Surtain and Horn

[morasp]

Tell that to our gm who’s gonna load up on defensive backs again. Just like they did with Carr Claiborne mike Jenkins scandrick and awusie Lewis. How’s that worked out for our amazing defenses?

Funny you mention Scandrick, when Skip and Shannon asked him what he thought was the fastest way to upgrade the defense he said pass rush. I know they took a hard look at Joseph Ossai and Payton Turner so hopefully something will happen.

 

[HanD]

Cris Collinsworth.
Mel Kiper.
Bucky Brooks.
Daniel Jeremiah.
Chris Simms.
All have Phillips ranked as either the best DE/edge player in the draft, best defensive player in the draft, or a top 10 player in the draft.

The draft is about the future long-term interest of the organization, not who starts in September.
In any event, Lawrence is trending down, declining, & regressing, and Gregory is unreliable and just a guy.
Dallas has nothing at the DE position.

not that it is the end all ranking system but lawrence was rated as the 5th best edge by pff last season.
https://www.pff.com/news/nfl-best-101-players-from-the-2020-nfl-season

i think his lack of sacks is more based on a lot of the rest of the DL sucking.

 

[JD_KaPow]

Fish is full of it. Just a few days ago he had Pitts, Sewell and Slater the focus over Surtain/Horne. He is just throwing poop at the board and seeing what sticks.

Both things could be true. If you’ve decided you’ll take Pitts or Sewell if they’re there, there’s nothing to debate. If you know where you have Slater relative to the CBs, again, nothing to debate. If you haven’t decided how you compare the CBs, that’s where your focus needs to be.

 

[LACowboysFan1]

Who are your defensive tackles? Gallimore and Hill? One is a bust and the other can be upgraded.

Woods is one starter, of course he's also on a one year deal, but for this year he's one, I'm thinking he and Gallimore as starters.

But Hill, if he makes it to the final 53, Hamilton and Urban also getting significant snaps.

Barring getting a very good DT like Barmore, I'd almost be willing to make him a starter day 1...

 

[LACowboysFan1]

not that it is the end all ranking system but lawrence was rated as the 5th best edge by pff last season.
https://www.pff.com/news/nfl-best-101-players-from-the-2020-nfl-season

i think his lack of sacks is more based on a lot of the rest of the DL sucking.

Lawrence plays on the non-blind side of nearly every quarterback. A lot harder to get sacks when the quarterback can see you coming, the other side of the defensive line should be getting more sacks. And with the linebackers being ineffective so much of the time (Smith mostly) he has to worry about running backs more than he should have to.

I'd be willing to bet that on a team like the Rams he'd be a year to year Pro Bowler with 8-10 sacks a year at least...

 

[chicago JK]

Fish still has a few more days to get a few more articles out there so he can tell everyone that "he called it".

 

[LACowboysFan1]

But this is the flaw of their roster building plan where they claim they will eschew FA for any real improvement and instead fill their holes in the draft. So let's say we get a CB and a DT out of this draft. Great. Next year we get a LB and DE or S. Great. But then suddenly, whoops, OL is an issue as Martin and Smith have broken down with injuries, etc.

If you just build entirely out of the draft, you'll likely never had as complete a roster as you can because while you are spending years fixing holes in the draft, other ones likely crop up over that period. It's patently stupid way to build a roster yet Jerry and Stephen think they have found the pot of gold.

Oh no doubt it can't be all draft, for all the reasons you noted. Time marches on.

But free agents should be used to fill holes, like Haley and Deion. Free agents, if they are really good, command a high price, the cap interferes with signing a lot of good free agents. Not like the 1970's teams where guys would play for Dallas because they were basically guaranteed playoff money, which was a significant percentage of their salary, and because Dallas Cowboys players were "royalty", lots of recognition (which most everybody likes) and lots of post-career opportunities. That's not the case anymore.

Jerry has never figured out what Jimmy did - combine draft picks with free agents to build a really good team. It's not easy of course, which goes back to Jerry's not hiring a gm, etc. There are people who could do it but he won't hire them....

 

[LACowboysFan1]

Fish still has a few more days to get a few more articles out there so he can tell everyone that "he called it".

Yup, as the saying goes - even a blind squirrel finds an nut now and then...

 

[Risen Star]

Make another half bleeped attempt at DT and spend your real resources overpaying your own and acquiring cornerbacks.

Some things never change.

 

[chicago JK]

Make another half bleeped attempt at DT and spend your real resources overpaying your own and acquiring cornerbacks.

Some things never change.

True. I would actually be fine with Surtain at 10. But it is disappointing thinking how little talent we have on the DT. I do not know much about the guys we signed in FA, but I expect they are short term rotation pieces (hopefully). It will be hard to get a good grasp of our defense without a good Defensive tackle or two. And that means another below average defense. Somethings don't change.

This team constantly works around the fringes at both DT and Safety. It is like they think they just need a little insurance in case an injury pops up. They seem to not know how poor their talent is at both positions compared to the rest of the league. It is frustrating they have not given this proper level of importance over the year. Hopefully our next front office corrects this

 

[JD_KaPow]

Play your cards right, there NO reason 44 shouldn't start his rookie year, maybe not day one but by the end of the season, yea.

There's no reason except the entire history of the draft, which tells you you're pretty lucky if you get a rookie starter (or even an eventual starter) in the 2nd round.

 

[Stash]

Woods is one starter, of course he's also on a one year deal, but for this year he's one, I'm thinking he and Gallimore as starters.

Has Woods ever been a starter? I don’t even consider Woods a lock to make the team.

But Hill, if he makes it to the final 53, Hamilton and Urban also getting significant snaps.

Based on lack of options, not merit, outside of Urban anyway, also on a one year deal.

Barring getting a very good DT like Barmore, I'd almost be willing to make him a starter day 1...

I think you can see the complete lack of solid options there.

 

[Hawkeye0202]

There's no reason except the entire history of the draft, which tells you you're pretty lucky if you get a rookie starter (or even an eventual starter) in the 2nd round.

you lost me ........there's plenty of 2nd rounders who started their rookie year. Maybe I'm misunderstanding your point or you understanding mind (lol).

 

[JD_KaPow]

you lost me ........there's plenty of 2nd rounders who started their rookie year. Maybe I'm misunderstanding your point or you understanding mind (lol).

You said there's "no reason" a 2nd-rounder shouldn't start his rookie year. My point is that most 2nd-rounders don't, which means there's very good reason to think a 2nd-rounder may not start his rookie year. In fact, it's more likely than not that they won't.

 

[Sydla]

Has Woods ever been a starter? I don’t even consider Woods a lock to make the team.



Based on lack of options, not merit, outside of Urban anyway, also on a one year deal.



I think you can see the complete lack of solid options there.

Woods is a JAG, depth guy. Why we continue each year to think he can eat major minutes is puzzling.

Frankly, it would not upset me in the least if we drafted 3 DTs in this draft.

 

[Stash]

Woods is a JAG, depth guy. Why we continue each year to think he can eat major minutes is puzzling.

Frankly, it would not upset me in the least if we drafted 3 DTs in this draft.

A byproduct of the bar being set so incredibly low. Nick Hayden level low.

Now apparently the castoff Woods is in the discussion as a ‘starter’.

 

[Stash]

Woods is a JAG, depth guy. Why we continue each year to think he can eat major minutes is puzzling.

Frankly, it would not upset me in the least if we drafted 3 DTs in this draft.

That’s just what I did this morning:

10. Patrick Surtain II CB Alabama

44. Jaelan Phillips EDGE Miami (FL)

75. Nick Bolton LB Missouri

99. Andre Cisco S Syracuse

115. Tyler Shelvin DT LSU

138. Jaylen Twyman DT Pittsburgh

179. Chauncey Golston EDGE Iowa

192. Thomas Graham CB Oregon

227. Justin Hilliard LB Ohio State

238. Mustafa Johnson DT Colorado

 

[LACowboysFan1]

A byproduct of the bar being set so incredibly low. Nick Hayden level low.

Now apparently the castoff Woods is in the discussion as a ‘starter’.

Considering he was resigned, yeah I can see him as a "starter". Though I do see the Cowboys using a heavy rotation on the d-line, not sure there will really be a "starting" line, if by that you mean one or two guys who trot on the field (health permitting) at the start of every game.

Will probably see several "starting" the game through the season...

 

[LACowboysFan1]

A byproduct of the bar being set so incredibly low. Nick Hayden level low.

Now apparently the castoff Woods is in the discussion as a ‘starter’.

Well it's the Cowboys defensive line, so..........

 

[Hawkeye0202]

You said there's "no reason" a 2nd-rounder shouldn't start his rookie year. My point is that most 2nd-rounders don't, which means there's very good reason to think a 2nd-rounder may not start his rookie year. In fact, it's more likely than not that they won't.

Here's what I said and stands by it 100%..... to say teams have a remote chance at drafting a rookie starters in the 2nd round is way off IMO. I'm sure I can look it up to prove the point but I don't have time right now (lol).

Play your cards right, there NO reason 44 shouldn't start his rookie year,