Tanking is one of the most cowardly things a team could do

[CowboysFaninHouston]

You have a right to your opinion, but you are wrong.
Did you know that Jimmy Johnson tanked in 1989? Why do you think he traded Walker? He knew you had to hit rock bottom, flush the roster and then you would have a chance to hit the lottery. I am not saying every tank ends up in a SB winner in year 4. 1-15,7-9,11-5,13-3(SB), 12-4 (SB)
They just didn't call it tanking back then.
Let's look at the Dolphins. They are are probably one of the smartest if not the smartest organization in the league. Love their coach and GM.
They had the Texans #3 pick and look at what the Niners traded for that spot?
The Dolphins traded their 3rd pick to the 49ers in exchange for the No. 12 pick this year, a first- and third-round pick in 2022 and a first-round pick in 2023.
You are acting as if the Cowboys are the San Antonio Spurs who had that run of 50 win seasons or the Patriots since 2001.
Even the Falcons at the #4 pick have a lot of options. The league is getting smarter and smarter They know the benefit of having a fixed cost at QB. There are two options..
Superstar QB who is paid very well, and cheap young QB that you hope will pan out.
We have a QB who is way over his ski's in terms of salary, and this will be just like the Vikings, Ravens with Flacco, Jimmy G, Goff, Wentz.
Tanking is just the bad way of saying, you have to get really bad before you can bounce up. All the great franchises have to do it one time or another.

Just look at Jerry's run as GM, 1994- 2020. In the first few years he was running off the fumes of Jimmy Johnson, then by the end of the 90's that team was done. The next few years he was bad under Campo, then he got Bill to bring some respect back to the franchise. From 2007 to now he realized that this organization needs to be competitive and that is all the fans, media care about.
Jerry DOES NOT care about winning a SB. You can repeat all the crap he says, but just watch what he does. He cares about the hype, Sunday night fighting for the last playoff spot, Skip& Shannon, First take. He just wants the team to be in the news cycle. So his biggest fear is to be irrelevant.
He doest not want to be 3-13. He see's no upside in winning a SB. He already has three, he already makes more profit & revenue than any other team. Just like everything in life. He does not have the incentive to win. That is the bottom line.
We will all be here over the next 5, 10, 20 years and nothing will change. This team is not motivated to win a SB. Jerry does not come with the goal of asking how can this team win a SB.

sorry, what does Miami having Texans #3 pick have to do with Tanking? I don't see the correlation? that's smart trading. Texans were stupid.

the only way NFL teams tank is to get rid of all talent on their team. no other way. ...you can never ask a coach or players to go and play at 50%....that would be the stupidest thing anyone can say....you can't even ask the coach to sit all the starters and let the backups play...that would be stupid.....

so if the cowboys were to tank, then get rid of Smith, Cooper, Gallup, CD, Martin, Zeke, Pollard,, Biadasz, Lawrence, LVE, Jaylon, Diggs, Wilson and load up on draft picks, make sure we get the #1 over all pick and cross our fingers that the QB available is someone with potential like Lawrence, and not someone like Turbiskey or Alex Smith.....

 

[kskboys]

It's even more cowardly to not be able to use long term strategy because a person can't even handle a little losing for the big pic. That's the picture of cowardice.

 

[kskboys]

sorry, what does Miami having Texans #3 pick have to do with Tanking? I don't see the correlation? that's smart trading. Texans were stupid.

the only way NFL teams tank is to get rid of all talent on their team. no other way. ...you can never ask a coach or players to go and play at 50%....that would be the stupidest thing anyone can say....you can't even ask the coach to sit all the starters and let the backups play...that would be stupid.....

so if the cowboys were to tank, then get rid of Smith, Cooper, Gallup, CD, Martin, Zeke, Pollard,, Biadasz, Lawrence, LVE, Jaylon, Diggs, Wilson and load up on draft picks, make sure we get the #1 over all pick and cross our fingers that the QB available is someone with potential like Lawrence, and not someone like Turbiskey or Alex Smith.....

They traded away a starter for the future. That's how you tank in the NFL.

 

[Reverend Conehead]

You have a right to your opinion, but you are wrong.
Did you know that Jimmy Johnson tanked in 1989? Why do you think he traded Walker? He knew you had to hit rock bottom, flush the roster and then you would have a chance to hit the lottery. I am not saying every tank ends up in a SB winner in year 4. 1-15,7-9,11-5,13-3(SB), 12-4 (SB)
They just didn't call it tanking back then.
Let's look at the Dolphins. They are are probably one of the smartest if not the smartest organization in the league. Love their coach and GM.
They had the Texans #3 pick and look at what the Niners traded for that spot?
The Dolphins traded their 3rd pick to the 49ers in exchange for the No. 12 pick this year, a first- and third-round pick in 2022 and a first-round pick in 2023.
You are acting as if the Cowboys are the San Antonio Spurs who had that run of 50 win seasons or the Patriots since 2001.
Even the Falcons at the #4 pick have a lot of options. The league is getting smarter and smarter They know the benefit of having a fixed cost at QB. There are two options..
Superstar QB who is paid very well, and cheap young QB that you hope will pan out.
We have a QB who is way over his ski's in terms of salary, and this will be just like the Vikings, Ravens with Flacco, Jimmy G, Goff, Wentz.
Tanking is just the bad way of saying, you have to get really bad before you can bounce up. All the great franchises have to do it one time or another.

Just look at Jerry's run as GM, 1994- 2020. In the first few years he was running off the fumes of Jimmy Johnson, then by the end of the 90's that team was done. The next few years he was bad under Campo, then he got Bill to bring some respect back to the franchise. From 2007 to now he realized that this organization needs to be competitive and that is all the fans, media care about.
Jerry DOES NOT care about winning a SB. You can repeat all the crap he says, but just watch what he does. He cares about the hype, Sunday night fighting for the last playoff spot, Skip& Shannon, First take. He just wants the team to be in the news cycle. So his biggest fear is to be irrelevant.
He doest not want to be 3-13. He see's no upside in winning a SB. He already has three, he already makes more profit & revenue than any other team. Just like everything in life. He does not have the incentive to win. That is the bottom line.
We will all be here over the next 5, 10, 20 years and nothing will change. This team is not motivated to win a SB. Jerry does not come with the goal of asking how can this team win a SB.

No, Jimmy Johnson did not tank in 1989. Tanking would have been instructing the team to not attempt to win or to deliberately lose. Johnson did no such thing. The team did trade away its best player in the hopes that it would help the team to rebuild and be much better in the long run, which turned out to be the case. However, that does not meet the definition of tanking, which is to deliberately lose games or deliberately give it a low effort. Without Walker on the team, Johnson still put together game plans with the goal being to win those games. You can go onto Youtube and watch the Cowboy games from '89, and what you see is a young and inexperienced team that's playing hard attempting to win. They weren't a very good team at that point. But they weren't a team that was deliberately losing.

 

[Winonesoon]

it's a fine line..Normally I would totally agree. What the Jets did is just stupid.

 

[Whiskey Cowboy]

Some people just can't see past numbers. Mathematically, tanking can make sense. The reality of it is much more complex. Posters on here have suggested that we pull the veterans to allow the younger players to develop. This raises a couple of questions.

What younger players would they have put into the lineup that weren't already playing due to catastrophic injuries?

Do you not realize that losing stunts their development and potentially hurts their confidence long term?

The logic is flawed and doesn't account for the fact that these players are human and taking away the will to win would cripple the locker room.

Not to mention, ya know, they were in the playoff hunt until week 16 or 17. Do you tell your players to forget about their goal, which was to make the playoffs, and throw in the towel so that some 3rd or 4th stringers who probably won't even be on the roster next year can get some field time?

Think about it

 

[Reid1boys]

Are you kidding me. It was the defense that beat San Francisco. Not Mahomes hail Mary’s five of them. He’s done he’s an overrated quarterback. Talk about blessed. They won’t even make the championship game this season

You dont look to ONE game as a basis for a team's success and failures. So you are saying Mahomes is overrated? You surely have a sense of NFL talent the rest of us do not. You should be in the draft room this week to help us out.

Again.... 12, 14, 12..... more wins in a 3 year stretch in the history of the KC Chiefs with Mahomes at QB...... but it is just a coincidence, right? lol Also, keep in mind Mahomes played injured at the end of the season. I suspect if every player in the league was thrown into the pool for available players to be drafted this week, 95% of GMs would be drafting Mahomes with the top pick.

 

[Whirlwin]

You have a right to your opinion, but you are wrong.
Did you know that Jimmy Johnson tanked in 1989? Why do you think he traded Walker? He knew you had to hit rock bottom, flush the roster and then you would have a chance to hit the lottery. I am not saying every tank ends up in a SB winner in year 4. 1-15,7-9,11-5,13-3(SB), 12-4 (SB)
They just didn't call it tanking back then.
Let's look at the Dolphins. They are are probably one of the smartest if not the smartest organization in the league. Love their coach and GM.
They had the Texans #3 pick and look at what the Niners traded for that spot?
The Dolphins traded their 3rd pick to the 49ers in exchange for the No. 12 pick this year, a first- and third-round pick in 2022 and a first-round pick in 2023.
You are acting as if the Cowboys are the San Antonio Spurs who had that run of 50 win seasons or the Patriots since 2001.
Even the Falcons at the #4 pick have a lot of options. The league is getting smarter and smarter They know the benefit of having a fixed cost at QB. There are two options..
Superstar QB who is paid very well, and cheap young QB that you hope will pan out.
We have a QB who is way over his ski's in terms of salary, and this will be just like the Vikings, Ravens with Flacco, Jimmy G, Goff, Wentz.
Tanking is just the bad way of saying, you have to get really bad before you can bounce up. All the great franchises have to do it one time or another.

Just look at Jerry's run as GM, 1994- 2020. In the first few years he was running off the fumes of Jimmy Johnson, then by the end of the 90's that team was done. The next few years he was bad under Campo, then he got Bill to bring some respect back to the franchise. From 2007 to now he realized that this organization needs to be competitive and that is all the fans, media care about.
Jerry DOES NOT care about winning a SB. You can repeat all the crap he says, but just watch what he does. He cares about the hype, Sunday night fighting for the last playoff spot, Skip& Shannon, First take. He just wants the team to be in the news cycle. So his biggest fear is to be irrelevant.
He doest not want to be 3-13. He see's no upside in winning a SB. He already has three, he already makes more profit & revenue than any other team. Just like everything in life. He does not have the incentive to win. That is the bottom line.
We will all be here over the next 5, 10, 20 years and nothing will change. This team is not motivated to win a SB. Jerry does not come with the goal of asking how can this team win a SB.

It’s an opinion. There’s no way I can be wrong. You don’t agree that’s fine. But I wouldn’t say you were wrong. I would just say where is your integrity and morals

 

[Reid1boys]

So tanking was part of Belichick's plan? What about that season when they lost Tom Brady and still managed an 11 and 5 record with Matt Cassell at QB? Was that tanking?

and missed the playoffs. Yea, good season, but MISSED THE PLAYOFFS. Pats will be lucky if they sniff 7 wins this year.

 

[Whirlwin]

Puhleeeese.....leave words like “cowardly” in the real world for men and woman who face real danger and deal with issues like courage and cowardice....You using that word to describe whether a crummy football team tanks a meaningless game is laughable...Drama Queen much, my man ?

I served in the military. Cowardly is used in many circumstances. Jimmy Johnson used it for his players that weren’t in good shape. Even though I understand what you’re trying to say. I don’t agree

 

[Reid1boys]

No matter what it takes right. That’s the sad thing my cowboy brother. I don’t want A tainted Super Bowl

Can you name me a team that has won a "Tained," superbowl?

 

[Whirlwin]

You dont look to ONE game as a basis for a team's success and failures. So you are saying Mahomes is overrated? You surely have a sense of NFL talent the rest of us do not. You should be in the draft room this week to help us out.

Again.... 12, 14, 12..... more wins in a 3 year stretch in the history of the KC Chiefs with Mahomes at QB...... but it is just a coincidence, right? lol Also, keep in mind Mahomes played injured at the end of the season. I suspect if every player in the league was thrown into the pool for available players to be drafted this week, 95% of GMs would be drafting Mahomes with the top pick.

Yes Mahomes is overrated. many professional football players agree with me so

 

[Whirlwin]

Can you name me a team that has won a "Tained," superbowl?

New England. Steelers. Franco Harris

 

[Reid1boys]

I’m glad you agree with me. Yes let’s win undeserving. Ethics and morality. It’s a way of life for me. You don’t want it fine.

If you aint cheating you aint trying. If you aint first, your last,
Astros signaling hitters with pitches. Pitchers using nail files on balls, Brady deflating balls, Belicheck filming other teams practices.... steroids and on and on and on.

Pro sports is about winning titles, thats it. Nobody cares how. Barry Bonds cheated his way to one heck of a career, and nobody cared he was juiced up when he was hitting those 70 HRs.

 

[MaineBoy]

I served in the military. Cowardly is used in many circumstances. Jimmy Johnson used it for his players that weren’t in good shape. Even though I understand what you’re trying to say. I don’t agree

no worries. Thank you for your service. I respect you and your opinion.

 

[Reid1boys]

New England. Steelers. Franco Harris

thsts funny..... I dont hear many people talking about Steelers and their "Tainted," SB... as ma matter of fact, you are the first.

 

[Reid1boys]

I served in the military. Cowardly is used in many circumstances. Jimmy Johnson used it for his players that weren’t in good shape. Even though I understand what you’re trying to say. I don’t agree

I served in the military also... dont be so sensitive over word choice. Is it really that big of a deal?

 

[Reid1boys]

Some people just can't see past numbers. Mathematically, tanking can make sense. The reality of it is much more complex. Posters on here have suggested that we pull the veterans to allow the younger players to develop. This raises a couple of questions.

What younger players would they have put into the lineup that weren't already playing due to catastrophic injuries?

Do you not realize that losing stunts their development and potentially hurts their confidence long term?

The logic is flawed and doesn't account for the fact that these players are human and taking away the will to win would cripple the locker room.

Not to mention, ya know, they were in the playoff hunt until week 16 or 17. Do you tell your players to forget about their goal, which was to make the playoffs, and throw in the towel so that some 3rd or 4th stringers who probably won't even be on the roster next year can get some field time?

Think about it

Look at the NBA East standings right now. Look at the 2nd best record in the east and let me know how it crippled these players and their fragile egos.

 

[bewp7]

maybe maybe not!

i saw the spurs make a dynasty from a “tank” when david robinson got hurt.

one year tank when ur star player is hurt is just smart imo!

 

[Reverend Conehead]

and missed the playoffs. Yea, good season, but MISSED THE PLAYOFFS. Pats will be lucky if they sniff 7 wins this year.

So what? They didn't tank. They had a good winning record that year, but it wasn't in the cards. They could not predict in advance what record would get them into the playoffs. No team can. So they played the best football they could with a journeyman quarterback. They were way better off doing that than deliberately tanking. Tanking is cancer to a team's mentality.