Mac Jones' tape better than Trevor Lawrence, Justin Fields, ex-NFL linebacker says

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Former NFL linebacker David Pollack hyped up the potential of former Alabama quarterback Mac Jones on Tuesday days before the first round of the NFL Draft kicks off.



Pollack, a college football analyst for ESPN, said on "Get Up" that Jones’ tape is better than some of the top quarterbacks in the draft class this year.

"I hear it all over the place," he said, via AL.com. "'I can’t believe the 49ers could move up to 3 to get Mac Jones.’ I get it. He’s not dynamic. He’s not going to wow you in shorts. He’s not going to wow you at your pro day.

"His tape is better than Justin Fields. His tape is better than Zach Wilson. His tape is better than Trey Lance. His tape is better than Trevor Lawrence."

Pollack isn’t the only one high on Jones. Former NFL coach June Jones told Fox News in March that Mac Jones was the best quarterback in the draft class.



"The quarterback that I think five years from now will be the best one is the Alabama kid, Mac Jones. He has only played one year but I’m going to be honest, of all of his throws this year, his vertical throws down the field were as accurate as I’ve ever seen, including of some of the top NFL guys that are names that everybody knows," the coach said.


Pollack dismissed the notion that the talented offense built around Jones was the main reason for the quarterback’s success.

"How many times have we watched those guys make spectacular catches? The dude puts it on the money, bro. He could have the best supporting cast ever. He makes great decisions on time," Pollack said, adding that Jones is not a "scrub."

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I agree his film is really good.

His game translates best to the Pro's out of any of these QB's.

He's still my QB 5 because i'm currently not liking the state of QB's who aren't super mobile.
 

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I agree his film is really good.

His game translates best to the Pro's out of any of these QB's.

He's still my QB 5 because i'm currently not liking the state of QB's who aren't super mobile.

We just saw one of the least mobile QB win his 6th SB ring. Myself I think Mobility is an asset but not as critical as the ability to make the quick reads and getting the ball out quickly and accurately. I don't know if I agree with Jones being the best QB in the draft but I look forward to seeing what he can do at the next level.
 

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Imagine being the GM who would pass over Lawrence for Mac Jones. LOL.

depends who is too say that GM was wrong? clearly he would be under the gun for taking Jones over Lawrence but you win a SB with Jones you are a genius
 

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We just saw one of the least mobile QB win his 6th SB ring. Myself I think Mobility is an asset but not as critical as the ability to make the quick reads and getting the ball out quickly and accurately. I don't know if I agree with Jones being the best QB in the draft but I look forward to seeing what he can do at the next level.

Tom Brady is Tom Brady.

Im not against the traditional pocket passer but they just aren’t coming to the league with any success.

Mobile QBs are the way and much more bust proof.

Mac Jones is sooooo much a better prospect for traditional pro football than Fields but I still take Fields because of the current state of the NFL.
 

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Tom Brady is Tom Brady.

Im not against the traditional pocket passer but they just aren’t coming to the league with any success.

Mobile QBs are the way and much more bust proof.

saying you have to be a running QB to be successful is not accurate there are many running QB who frankly suck and if they get to the point they can't run their game is toast. I think Burrow given some help will develop into a great QB and he is not fleet of foot and I think Jones can as well. If you can move and slide in the pocket and make the reads and accurately deliver then you can have success.
 

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depends who is too say that GM was wrong? clearly he would be under the gun for taking Jones over Lawrence but you win a SB with Jones you are a genius

Of course but if you don't and/or Jones struggles and Lawrence turns into what everyone thought he would be, that's not just a draft miss............. that's a MASSIVE draft miss. We aren't talking something like the Eagles passing over Jefferson for Reagor. We are talking something like Sam Bowie over Michael Jordan.
 

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saying you have to be a running QB to be successful is not accurate there are many running QB who frankly suck and if they get to the point they can't run their game is toast. I think Burrow given some help will develop into a great QB and he is not fleet of foot and I think Jones can as well. If you can move and slide in the pocket and make the reads and accurately deliver then you can have success.

Not saying that at all.

I'm just saying that the mobile QB's look to be much more bust proof in recent years.
 

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Of course but if you don't and/or Jones struggles and Lawrence turns into what everyone thought he would be, that's not just a draft miss............. that's a MASSIVE draft miss. We aren't talking something like the Eagles passing over Jefferson for Reagor. We are talking something like Sam Bowie over Michael Jordan.

True there would be great pressure on it but frankly I think Lawrence is not going to be great and he continues to challenge defenders with his run he will not last in the NFL. We will see, Lawrence would not be the 1st QB to get a ton of hoopla only to bust out of the league.
 

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Jones could be Kurt Cousins. He could be Christian Ponder

Jones has great mechanics and can play a traditional brand of NFL football.

His arm strength is not very good though.

If he can get his feet set he's going to struggle. He 1 hops a lot of throws when he has to throw off of different platforms.

So much about todays QB is improvising and making plays outside the scheme.

I think he's got enough mobility to scoot around a little but we'll see.


Whoever goes to San Francisco is the big winner of all these QB's.
 

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Not saying that at all.

I'm just saying that the mobile QB's look to be much more bust proof in recent years.

I think you can have faster success in the league by being able to run the ball. When RGIII came into the league I said he would have quick success but I also said I felt it would be short lived success. I don't think Jones is a running QB but I have seen him get out of the pocket and run to pick up the 1st down but his main asset is the ability to move and slide, making the reads and accurately putting the ball where it has to be. If he can do that at the next level he can have great success.
 

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We just saw one of the least mobile QB win his 6th SB ring. Myself I think Mobility is an asset but not as critical as the ability to make the quick reads and getting the ball out quickly and accurately. I don't know if I agree with Jones being the best QB in the draft but I look forward to seeing what he can do at the next level.


A QB can get away with a lack of mobility, if they have a quick release and excel at getting rid of the ball quickly.


Tom Brady is the best 3 step drop QB in the history of the league. The best overall QB ever.

but his ability to take 3 steps BAM get rid of the ball, in stride with perfect timing to the receiver. It is second to none.

his footwork is also elite. He shuffles in the pocket while constantly maintaining a good throwing base with his feet.

And it’s why he gets away with lacking mobility.

I don’t know much about Mac Jones. But if he is going to excel. He is going to need those types of skills.
 

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I think you can have faster success in the league by being able to run the ball. When RGIII came into the league I said he would have quick success but I also said I felt it would be short lived success. I don't think Jones is a running QB but I have seen him get out of the pocket and run to pick up the 1st down but his main asset is the ability to move and slide, making the reads and accurately putting the ball where it has to be. If he can do that at the next level he can have great success.

League has changed too much though since he has been in the league.

NFL teams are embracing college schemes. Lamar Jackson is nothing special as a passer but teams are absolutely terrified he's going to take off running so his receivers get easy matchups.

Kyler Murray would be a 5 rounder to possibly undrafted in any other era of football.

It's just a different league. Mahomes & Andy Reid changed the game along with the rules of football making everything so offensive heavy.

Which is also why I don't think it's this big difficult thing to find a QB any more and the Cowboys are fools for paying Dak like they did.
 

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A QB can get away with a lack of mobility, if they have a quick release and excel at getting rid of the ball quickly.


Tom Brady is the best 3 step drop QB in the history of the league. The best overall QB ever.

but his ability to take 3 steps BAM get rid of the ball, in stride with perfect timing to the receiver. It is second to none.

his footwork is also elite. He shuffles in the pocket while constantly maintaining a good throwing base with his feet.

And it’s why he gets away with lacking mobility.

I don’t know much about Mac Jones. But if he is going to excel. He is going to need those types of skills.

Exactly, I don't compare rookies to seasoned HOF pros. I do agree it will come down to Matt Jones being able to move around in the pocket, make the quick reads and accurately deliver the ball on time.
 

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I cannot imagine not taking into consideration Alabama's offensive lineup when evaluating Jones. He has two receivers who will go in the top 15 in this draft and a RB who will go in the top 20. DaVonta Smith was uncoverable in college.

Having said that, I can see how some might rank him higher than Lawrence, who has a longer throwing motion which may not translate well in the NFL. I will say this, history tells us that most of the QBs in every draft will not succeed in the NFL. It is only a matter of time that we find out which ones won't.
 

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There are different types of mobility, having good pocket awareness and being able to slide up to buy yourself an extra second or 2 is just as deadly as a scrambler. You see it with Dak, he can move around but he has trouble feeling where the pressure is coming from at times and puts himself in tough situations because of it.

Plus, how many mobile QBs have won the Super Bowl in the last 20 years? Two or maybe 3.
 

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There are different types of mobility, having good pocket awareness and being able to slide up to buy yourself an extra second or 2 is just as deadly as a scrambler. You see it with Dak, he can move around but he has trouble feeling where the pressure is coming from at times and puts himself in tough situations because of it.

Plus, how many mobile QBs have won the Super Bowl in the last 20 years? Two or maybe 3.


When Tom Brady is winning most of the super bowls. It does tend to skew numbers though. Lol. Just sayin.
 
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