Greeny, I want to be paid!

[MountaineerCowboy]

I still can't believe how little effort they put into such a big hire for us.

It's embarrassing.

The best hire Jerry every made was from the college level. Ever since then he has refused to hire a head coach from the college ranks.

The whole "you need NFL coaching experience to succeed as a head coach" is one of the unwritten rules that Jerry seems to follow now.

 

[Diehardblues]

Ive been saying this forever.... ESPECIALLY in regards to Bellichek. Im not saying he is not good.... but it is also very similar to Nick Saban. hes good, but he's not better by miles than many of those big time D1 coaches. But when you have NFL players at so many positions... that third and 8 run up the middle that gains 9 yards makes you look like a genius. Same play called with Western Oregon and you are fired for that crap.

I hear ya but some of that is coaching cause you need a feel for the situation. Just like with QB’s seeing the field and making an audible at the right time.

 

[Diehardblues]

It's embarrassing.

The best hire Jerry every made was from the college level. Ever since then he has refused to hire a head coach from the college ranks.

The whole "you need NFL coaching experience to succeed as a head coach" is one of the unwritten rules that Jerry seems to follow now.

Yea but that’s not our core issue. It’s that Jethro is undermining our HC’s. He hasn’t provided full authority since Jimmy.

He tried with Bill but still got in the way.

 

[Reid1boys]

I don't get my takes from any BSPN talking head especially him. He has no clue what it takes to build a football team. Anyone who thinks it just takes a QB is out of touch with reality. If it was the case, then Brady would have won a SB every year he played or Rogers.

Uhm.... well it isnt like Brady is the only Elite QB. he has to compete against the other Elite QBs...I did this once before. You pretty much have to have elite QB or an all time great defense to win the SB.

There are RARE exceptions to this rule. But go back to 1995 and look and see, Its not complicated, and those great coaches have zero to do with it.

George Seifert was awesome.... with Joe montana and Steve young under center. How great was he when he went to Carolina?

 

[Reid1boys]

I’m not sure why he doesn’t think Green Bay is a good enough place after back to back championship appearances?

he wants out because he hates the management after they drafted a qb to replace him.

 

[thunderpimp91]

It's a parity league.

Everyone has similar talent. QB is the big difference maker.

Over the long haul I agree completely agree, teams can go all out and have a 1-3 year run with an average qb and a loaded roster. It’s when that qb gets expensive when you have an issue.

 

[Reid1boys]

Rodgers is the reason McCarthy is our head coach right now.

Rodgers made him and that shows every single year that passes.

Like Greeny said... Rodgers put a lot of other kids in private schools.... including Mike McCarthy.

 

[DFWJC]

Uhm.... well it isnt like Brady is the only Elite QB. he has to compete against the other Elite QBs...I did this once before. You pretty much have to have elite QB or an all time great defense to win the SB.

There are RARE exceptions to this rule. But go back to 1995 and look and see, Its not complicated, and those great coaches have zero to do with it.

George Seifert was awesome.... with Joe montana and Steve young under center. How great was he when he went to Carolina?

Yep

Or a red-hot defense that maybe wasn't as highly ranked earlier in the year
like 2007 Giants

 

[CATCH17]

Coaching? nah..... big time overrated. Howd Belichek do last year? How great was Arians prior to Brady? How many SB titles did Andy Reid have on the mantle prior to Mahomes?

Belichicks team was decimated from the get go and Cam Newton is a way below average QB.

Ive watch Belichick throw so many QBs for a loop that questioning his coaching just absolutely silly.

 

[Reid1boys]

Every team has holes. All of them.

When your QB is elite it solves nearly all of your problems.

KC was nothing more than solid prior to Mahomes. Mahomes shows up and now they will be competing for a SB EVERY YEAR. Funny how that happens.

 

[Reid1boys]

Belichicks team was decimated from the get go and Cam Newton is a way below average QB.

Ive watch Belichick throw so many QBs for a loop that questioning his coaching just absolutely silly.

but when he has what a lot of coaches have... which is crappy QB like Newton, he looks...... well, like the rest of the coaches. He is like Phil Jackson... amazing with the GOAT on his roster.

Howd Phil do when he took over the knicks and he didnt have Jordan, Shaq and Kobe on his roster?

 

[Reid1boys]

New Orleans might be a good place for him. They didn’t draft a replacement for Brees. They have some weapons.

Michael Thomas was all world...... watch how quickly he becomes all avg.

 

[Reid1boys]

then why havent the Cowboys been doing better with Dak? He is being paid more than Rodgers.

Dak is good... hes never been called ELITE or HOF level. He was off to a fantastic start last year. Lets see how he does moving forward.

 

[tyke1doe]

A great coach can get you to a Super Bowl
A great quarterback can get you to multiple Super Bowls

Having said that, don't underestimate coaching.

Coaching - and the calls made in the 1993 NFC Championship Game - led the Cowboys to an upset win against the 49ers.
Coaching - Jimmy Johnson deducing a new play the Bills were running during practice while watching television - helped the Cowboys defeat the Bills in the Super Bowl.
Coaching - Bill Parcells' decision to milk the clock and keep the ball away from the Bills high-powered offense - helped the Giants defeat the Bills in the Super Bowl.
Coaching - Sean Payton calling an onside kick after half-time - helped the Saints beat the Colts in the Super Bowl.
Coaching - Belichick's perfect defensive game plan against the Greatest Show on Turf - led to the defeat of the St. Louis Rams.
And coaching allowed the Cowboys to squander a talented offensive line resulting in 1 playoff win and ZERO NFC Championship appearances during the Great Wall of Dallas II's reign.

It's both coaching and a great quarterback. The great quarterback simply gives the coach more to work with.

 

[Reid1boys]

But that’s where good coaching and recruiting come in cause someone has to assemble and have an eye for talent .

You dont think Michigan or Syracuse coach cant also spot that top 10 recruit? But im pretty sure the top LB in the nation that is offered a full ride to Syracuse will chose Bama over Syracuse. So does that make Saban better ?

 

[Diehardblues]

You dont think Michigan or Syracuse coach cant also spot that top 10 recruit? But im pretty sure the top LB in the nation that is offered a full ride to Syracuse will chose Bama over Syracuse. So does that make Saban better ?

There’s been other HC’s who didn’t have as much success. So, yea .. it does matter who’s at the helm in attracting top talent along with success school is having.

 

[Reid1boys]

I hear ya but some of that is coaching cause you need a feel for the situation. Just like with QB’s seeing the field and making an audible at the right time.

again... I never said the guys arent good. But I still believe that 90% of those NFL coaches are all good. But some of them will never be in a position to make that great coaching call in a big game because they werent blessed to have Drew Brees behind center. Had Sean Payton had Jameis Winston as his QB, hed never been able to call an onside kick in the SB, because hed never have been in a SB.

 

[Diehardblues]

again... I never said the guys arent good. But I still believe that 90% of those NFL coaches are all good. But some of them will never be in a position to make that great coaching call in a big game because they werent blessed to have Drew Brees behind center. Had Sean Payton had Jameis Winston as his QB, hed never been able to call an onside kick in the SB, because hed never have been in a SB.

I hear ya. But those coaches made choices along the way ending up with the talent they did.

 

[HanD]

laurent robinson should still have to come over to romo's yard to cut his grass. that man stole money after romo made him a name over 2/3 a season.

 

[Future]

You dont think Michigan or Syracuse coach cant also spot that top 10 recruit? But im pretty sure the top LB in the nation that is offered a full ride to Syracuse will chose Bama over Syracuse. So does that make Saban better ?

There’s been other HC’s who didn’t have as much success. So, yea .. it does matter who’s at the helm in attracting top talent along with success school is having.

Saban is a better recruiter because Bama obviously pays players.

The best thing he's done as an actual coach is evolve from ground and pound to a vertical, attacking passing game.