CZ POLL Are you happy with the Cowboys drafting DE Chauncey Golston with the 84th pick?

[Beaker42]

Shelvin, Molden, Tufele to name a few still on the board. I don’t want to belabor the point. It’s done. I will end with the guy is projected to be a rotational guy. No one thinks he is going to be an impact defender. They could have done much better.

Tufele should’ve been the pick but we’ll see.

 

[Patrick]

Thought this was our worst pick of the draft, even over Nahshon Wright.

Hoping I am very wrong though.

 

[Whyjerry]

All of these guys are expected to be rotational guys. How many impact defenders do teams find in round 3? You guys are being unrealistic.

Rotational? Have you seen the S and DT play over the last 10 years?

 

[Whyjerry]

Because this is silly. You gotta use google to determine how high someone should go? You are basically using the opinion of someone who didn’t see him play or scout him vs a organization that did and liked him.....I just don’t understand it and never will.

Golston will probably be an All Pro. That better?

 

[jazzcat22]

No. And I do not care if it was a so called free pick from a trade. There is no such thing as a free pick at that point.
This was a reach, and will be another in a long list of DE's in the mid rounds that do not work out. There were S's still there, other LB's as well.

I hope I am wrong, but for now, I do not like the pick, but will be rooting for him. He is basically a replacement for Armstrong. One of those on the long list of wasted DE picks.

 

[quickccc]

Don't hate the player, ..but hated more that we selected him at least a round or two too early.
Considering how 3rd round need to be more the difference makers vs getting a rotational role player, I thought along with Wright it was a reach in 3rd rd.

I don't hate the player but hated the selection in the rounds that needed to be more splash.
Like several I thought this was a missed opportunity to package to move up in rounds and get a more significant player.

I've tried to catch game tape on Gholston to see what really stands him out. but he just doesn't wow me.
More the blue collar dirty work than one that brings big rush skills or overwhelming power that disrupts and changes what/how offenses have to deal with him.
I can see it overwhelming power with Osa, but I just a try hard guy with Gholston's tape.
This strikes me more of a effort to get a run defending 3-4 DE or 1st down run player for sake of pleasing Quinn.

 

[ondaedg]

They followed their board. Not the board of bloggers so it’s gonna look different than these mock drafts....people have to understand these mock drafts aren’t done by actual people who scouted these guys.

I get that. But using a 3rd rounder for Gholston who may go two rounds later or Wright who may go undrafted is a tough pill to swallow. 3rd round picks are now considered potential starters and Wright was a massive reach. They have to have a feel for where these guys are going to fall.

 

[ondaedg]

Don't hate the player, ..but hated more that we selected him at least a round or two too early.
Considering how 3rd round need to be more the difference makers vs getting a rotational role player, I thought along with Wright it was a reach in 3rd rd.

I don't hate the player but hated the selection in the rounds that needed to be more splash.
Like several I thought this was a missed opportunity to package to move up in rounds and get a more significant player.

I've tried to catch game tape on Gholston to see what really stands him out. but he just doesn't wow me.
More the blue collar dirty work than one that brings big rush skills or overwhelming power that disrupts and changes what/how offenses have to deal with him.
I can see it overwhelming power with Osa, but I just a try hard guy with Gholston's tape.
This strikes me more of a effort to get a run defending 3-4 DE or 1st down run player for sake of pleasing Quinn.

Agreed. But what I like about him is his run game discipline. DLaw was our only DE who would recognize the run plays and maintain his gap. Gholston does this very well.

but yes he should have been taken one or two rounds later.

 

[TheMarathonContinues]

Rotational? Have you seen the S and DT play over the last 10 years?

Yeah I've seen it. What's your point?

Golston will probably be an All Pro. That better?

If that's what you want to take from it then that's fine. No one said anything of the sorts but the above statement is no sillier than telling us he was a bad pick because a blogger didn't have him highly rated.....they are equally silly.

 

[CowboyRoy]

According to whom lol?

Cmon, you cant be this indifferent to who the Cowboys take? This guy was NOWHERE on DE lists. You cant tell me you knew who he was when the name was called.

 

[CowboyRoy]

Yeah I've seen it. What's your point?


If that's what you want to take from it then that's fine. No one said anything of the sorts but the above statement is no sillier than telling us he was a bad pick because a blogger didn't have him highly rated.....they are equally silly.

Is someone allowed to have an opinion at all or is only an opinion that likes the player? Have you dont research at all because there is stuff all over the internet.

There was pre draft grades, top 10 lists, DE lists, the actual draft show and reactions when it happened, and now after reactions and rating. I hate to break it to you, but none of it was very good on this guy. I know this may come as a shock to you, but the Cowboys have been known to blow picks after the first round often.

 

[TheMarathonContinues]

Cmon, you cant be this indifferent to who the Cowboys take? This guy was NOWHERE on DE lists. You cant tell me you knew who he was when the name was called.

Doesn't matter. Did I expect him to be a 3rd round pick? No. But I also didn't scout him. WE have to come to grips that these bloggers you guys like to quote and study their mock draft? They don't have nearly the same tools at their disposal as NFL teams too. Its not about the Cowboys its about a professional NFL team that has scouts.

I know NOTHING of him.

I use to be like you until I sat here and realized......why are all these picks considered "reaches" in the 1st round? Its because they are considered "reaches" by people who haven't even seen these players play.

Is someone allowed to have an opinion at all or is only an opinion that likes the player? Have you dont research at all because there is stuff all over the internet.

There was pre draft grades, top 10 lists, DE lists, the actual draft show and reactions when it happened, and now after reactions and rating. I hate to break it to you, but none of it was very good on this guy. I know this may come as a shock to you, but the Cowboys have been known to blow picks after the first round often.

People are allowed to think what they want.

I'm not even arguing that it was bad pick. I'm saying I simply don't know.

And no one does. And you know what I'm referencing....people are gauging the picks in the 3rd round based on "name". You guys have never seen them play so they are reaches. Here's the thing though....everyone is reaching.....from the late 1st round on to the 7th round. EVERYONE is. You can literally find a few picks per round where people are taking guys higher than where people projected him.


And for the record, Wright is the only one that I have seen really be a "reach" based on your standards.

 

[TheMarathonContinues]

I get that. But using a 3rd rounder for Gholston who may go two rounds later or Wright who may go undrafted is a tough pill to swallow. 3rd round picks are now considered potential starters and Wright was a massive reach. They have to have a feel for where these guys are going to fall.

Ehh...3rd rounders CAN be starters but the odds of you hitting in the 3rd round aren't good either. Your hope is to get a solid rotational piece and hopeful starter.

I'm just having a tough time saying someone is a reach based on someone's board. Who's board is right? Are we to assume the Cowboys board is wrong because we didn't like the pick? Or do we assume Mel Kiper or Todd McShay's is right even though they are strictly scouting guys based on college production?

 

[CowboyRoy]

Doesn't matter. Did I expect him to be a 3rd round pick? No. But I also didn't scout him. WE have to come to grips that these bloggers you guys like to quote and study their mock draft? They don't have nearly the same tools at their disposal as NFL teams too. Its not about the Cowboys its about a professional NFL team that has scouts.

I know NOTHING of him.

I use to be like you until I sat here and realized......why are all these picks considered "reaches" in the 1st round? Its because they are considered "reaches" by people who haven't even seen these players play.



People are allowed to think what they want.

I'm not even arguing that it was bad pick. I'm saying I simply don't know.

And no one does. And you know what I'm referencing....people are gauging the picks in the 3rd round based on "name". You guys have never seen them play so they are reaches. Here's the thing though....everyone is reaching.....from the late 1st round on to the 7th round. EVERYONE is. You can literally find a few picks per round where people are taking guys higher than where people projected him.


And for the record, Wright is the only one that I have seen really be a "reach" based on your standards.

People are entitled to have an opinion. There is TONS of stuff all over the internet pre, during and post draft that say this was a bad pick.

But I find it rather hilarious that just because YOU dont know, that means that nobody else, including scouts and analysis paid for a living DONT know.

Cowboys are notorious for blowing picks after the 1st round and it appears at first glance they did it again, not only once, but several times during the draft.

Heck they are known for taking injury/attitude risks in the 2nd round and they did THAT again. Oddly, I seem to like these risks, but they are 50/50 at best.

 

[Maxmadden]

Moehrig was not starting here next year.

I don't think he starts anywhere next year. Widely slotted as the best safety in the draft and he was the third one taken. I kept looking at him but I couldn't see what all the experts were seeing.

 

[Maxmadden]

People are entitled to have an opinion. There is TONS of stuff all over the internet pre, during and post draft that say this was a bad pick.

But I find it rather hilarious that just because YOU dont know, that means that nobody else, including scouts and analysis paid for a living DONT know.

Cowboys are notorious for blowing picks after the 1st round and it appears at first glance they did it again, not only once, but several times during the draft.

Heck they are known for taking injury/attitude risks in the 2nd round and they did THAT again. Oddly, I seem to like these risks, but they are 50/50 at best.

I think they looked at it in a Covid year and said these guys have the traits we are looking for and the floor is pretty high. I think they were being more cautious than most think. Only time will tell.

 

[CowboyRoy]

I think they looked at it in a Covid year and said these guys have the traits we are looking for and the floor is pretty high. I think they were being more cautious than most think. Only time will tell.

I think people just have a hard time admitting they made bad picks.

Hill was a bad pick from day 1 and it was obvious. So was Taco. Sometimes its just obvious.

 

[Flamma]

He was a big time reach. Could have grabbed him much later in the draft.

This is why I have a hard time answering the poll question. I like the player, hate when he was picked. I wouldn't have picked him in the 3rd for the same reason I wouldn't have picked him in the first.

 

[Maxmadden]

I think people just have a hard time admitting they made bad picks.

Hill was a bad pick from day 1 and it was obvious. So was Taco. Sometimes its just obvious.

I think some people have a hard time admitting that without hindsight they would be clueless.

 

[TheMarathonContinues]

People are entitled to have an opinion. There is TONS of stuff all over the internet pre, during and post draft that say this was a bad pick.

But I find it rather hilarious that just because YOU dont know, that means that nobody else, including scouts and analysis paid for a living DONT know.

Cowboys are notorious for blowing picks after the 1st round and it appears at first glance they did it again, not only once, but several times during the draft.

Heck they are known for taking injury/attitude risks in the 2nd round and they did THAT again. Oddly, I seem to like these risks, but they are 50/50 at best.

No you are misunderstanding me. My argument isn't that because I don't know means no one else doesn't. No. My argument is that you have no idea what went into these picks. You guys watch a few clips of a guy on Youtube and determine if he was a good pick. Rely on mock drafts by bloggers to determine it. And if that's your MO? That's fine. No judgement here. This started out with me asking a question to a few posters....what makes them a bad pick? And the consensus is the same...because so and so wasn't rated high on so and so boards.

We can sit here and argue about who deserved go where but the fact remains you will be having some terrible drafts if you just based it on big boards made by these "experts". You just will. You have to find the diamond in the roughs. You just do and its going to be hard. If it was easy Dak wouldn't' have been a 4th round pick. Brady wouldn't have been a 6th round pick. Darius Leonard wouldn't have been a 2nd rounder. These are how good teams are made. Finding these type of picks. You think the Ravens don't take reaches? The Patriots? Find me a team that doesn't take what you consider to be a "reach".

I think people just have a hard time admitting they made bad picks.

Hill was a bad pick from day 1 and it was obvious. So was Taco. Sometimes its just obvious.

That's even silly to do though because using this you must've been rather high on LVE in year 1 since he was great? Right? You don't know what a bad pick is until you had years to see it develop or not develop. You can sit here and say that you knew Trysten Hill and Taco were going to be bad and that's fine but I'm willing to bet you wouldn't put money on it that day. Because you simply just don't know. I never in a million years expected Travis Fredericks to be a All Pro center. Just never.

I think they looked at it in a Covid year and said these guys have the traits we are looking for and the floor is pretty high. I think they were being more cautious than most think. Only time will tell.

Well and that's another thing. If it wasn't for Covid would these guys resume be better? Are there some diamonds in the rough possibly? You just never know.

If people want to say its a bad pick that's fine but if you're reasoning is because Dane Brugler or Todd McShady didn't have him high on their boards than that seems to be a bit silly IMO.

I don't think he starts anywhere next year. Widely slotted as the best safety in the draft and he was the third one taken. I kept looking at him but I couldn't see what all the experts were seeing.

You and me both. But see people kept seeing him being the best safety out there and he was expected to be a 1st or 2nd round pick. Of course he was. But I see this guys every single year. EVERY YEAR. Fans clamor to certain guys that the "experts" bring up....and you may never hear from them ever again or they become journeymen around the NFL.

I think people just have a hard time admitting they made bad picks.

Hill was a bad pick from day 1 and it was obvious. So was Taco. Sometimes its just obvious.

That's even silly to do though because using this you must've been rather high on LVE in year 1 since he was great? Right? You don't know what a bad pick is until you had years to see it develop or not develop. You can sit here and say that you knew Trysten Hill and Taco were going to be bad and that's fine but I'm willing to bet you wouldn't put money on it that day. Because you simply just don't know. I never in a million years expected Travis Fredericks to be a All Pro center. Just never.

I think they looked at it in a Covid year and said these guys have the traits we are looking for and the floor is pretty high. I think they were being more cautious than most think. Only time will tell.

Well and that's another thing. If it wasn't for Covid would these guys resume be better? Are there some diamonds in the rough possibly? You just never know.

If people want to say its a bad pick that's fine but if you're reasoning is because Dane Brugler or Todd McShady didn't have him high on their boards than that seems to be a bit silly IMO.