Parsons confirms 3-4 base and initial position

[Risen Star]

Yes Dan was really given the power of the people by being allowed to select a player he wanted with a 3 round compensatory pick at #99. That's a lot of power to be wielded by a mere D-Coordinator. What's next the keys to AT&T?

Let's run that through the Risen translator.

"I don't understand the draft."

Noted.

 

[erod]

Everyone thinks we are moving to the 3-4, which is not true. Against the run it will look like a 3-4, but they will be playing a traditional 4-3 most of the time in the nickel

Against the run? How do you know the other team is going to run?

 

[cowboyec]

i dont care what they call it as long as DLaw has his hand in the dirt.....Parsons is starting...AND THEY STOP THE RUN.

 

[Jarntt]

Just keep 90s hand in the dirt and let him attack

Agree. Tank is in no way a 3-4 DE and once he puts his hand in the dirt it's historically referred to as a 4-3. But it's subtle and call it what you want but Tank isn't standing up as a LB every snap and he isn't only playing in the nickel.
As far as the nickel goes it isn't a 4-3 ever. How can it be a nickel with 4 DBs? Parsons (and probably Cox and Neal) in the nickel will do some covering/dropping, some blitzing and some pass rushing from an edge formation. Call that what you want.

 

[CapnB]

3-4 defense maybe 30 percent of the time at most

if that

 

[Jarntt]

It may be that when he says they will be in a "base" 3-4, they will start off with like (just as an example) Bohannon over the center, with Lawrence and Gregory on each side of him on the LOS. But before the snap they will change it up by bringing a linebacker down on the los, etc. In other words base is simply how they line up before the play, not how they will be lined up at the snap.
"Base" can have different meanings....

Could you imagine us trying to stop the run with that formation? Gregory will end up in the 3rd row and Tank will be so beaten up that he won't have any gas to ever rush the QB

 

[JIMMYBUFFETT]

Let's run that through the Risen translator.

"I don't understand the draft."

Noted.

Yeah we've all seen how well you know the draft Mrs. Wentz. That ship has done sailed son.

 

[Jarntt]

We need to come out with only 9 players on defense, they'll never see it coming.

It seemed like we did that many times last year!!!

 

[aikemirv]

...........and nose is a 3-4 position designation. Urban is a NT. Obviously there will be variations with 4 DL with hands on the ground, but even Wade's version of the 3-4 was only 50-60% 3-4.

Get ready for disaster because we know our players can't handle complexity!

 

[Fastpitch Dad]

( LMAO) they ( the opposition) were getting consistently adept in converting on that particular down & distance,huh?
Hopefully, it'll be but a distant memory, pressing forward from now on.

That's a big 10-4 buddy!

At least cutting those 3rd downs in half would be an achievement!

 

[conner01]

Against the run? How do you know the other team is going to run?

I guess the same way we do now
Most teams, like us play 60-70% nickel
That 30-40% they don’t they are guessing will be a run
It’s certainly not an exact science in today’s game
And it doesn’t mean they are running but have their base offense in so you can still matchup

 

[JohnnyHopkins]

Yep. Like the Falcons.

Quinn was pretty awesome at disguising the exact moment in the 4th quarter that his defense would collapse.

 

[aikemirv]

Yes, Quinn said 70% to 80% of the time they'll be in the nickel but I wonder how correct that is. When they take the field on first and 10, against most teams in the division, I'd guess they will be in a 3-4. Clearly on passing downs they'll be in the nickel. But it really depends upon the offense they're up against and the personnel.

I wonder how much of a true Nickel it will be though. Will they have Neal and Cox as LB/S in their nickel?

 

[pansophy]

I don't think there is any doubt we are running 4 DL in our nickel package. What has been debated is our base package. It sounds like Quinn has told Parsons this will be a 3-4. I think the aim is for our 6th round draft pick to start as the Nose

I would have thought that Woods would have been the rotational guy for nose -- even if I assume he plays all the 3-4 snaps, so only 30-40% of them, who is his backup if he is hurt? Am I missing someone?

 

[JeffInDC]

Go check out the starting lineups for the 2010-2012 Seahawks on Pro Football Reference...you can see from those lineups (especially 2010-2011) EXACTLY how the "Base 3-4" can be achieved. Chris Clemons was basically the only Edge player on the DL - he aligned at both RDE & LDE. And, each iteration of the DL had him paired with 3 other guys that weighed at least 295lbs.

 

[thunderpimp91]

If memory serves, the 3-4 was originally designed to be a run stopping defense.

But like any defense, or offense, teams learn how to be successful against it....

Yeah and that’s a good point. I think the growing number of teams using the 3-4 have influenced a lot of the smaller, more athletic olineman and zone blocking schemes the league sees now.

now with the common 3/4 receiver sets it’s tougher for teams to keep true 3-4 personnel on the roster so we are seeing the hybrids. A traditional 3-4 is great against the run, but running it with undersized NT and DEs probably doesn’t hold up the same.

 

[JD_KaPow]

Everyone thinks we are moving to the 3-4, which is not true. Against the run it will look like a 3-4, but they will be playing a traditional 4-3 most of the time in the nickel

By this argument, nobody runs a 3-4. All teams spend most of their time in the nickel with a 4-man front. That doesn't render the term "3-4" meaningless though; it's still a useful differentiator.

 

[TheDude]

I can tell you right now my opinion of Dan Quinn nose dived with the Wright reach. You know that came from him.

That was very, very Marinelli-ish.

In a sane war room no coordinator would ever have that kind of power but ours is an insane asylum.

I cant be mad at Quinn, if Rockport ever got to coach the Harlem globetrotters, Jerry could hire him and give power to make picks touting his W/L record and team building and concerns about it being a different sport are de minimis because Jerry succeeded in oil and football

 

[817Gill]

So strange how this is a debate. The dude came out and told us what he's going to do, and everyone's all like 'no we're doing this instead'

Yeah so confusing to me why people don’t want to just accept what he said

 

[atlantacowboy]

Quinn was pretty awesome at disguising the exact moment in the 4th quarter that his defense would collapse.

They should make him head to the locker room at the end of the 3rd quarter.