Imagine how much better CeeDee is going to be in 2021 with a full season of Dak Prescott

[Risen Star]

I will do handsprings if we manage to improve to mediocre which would be a HUGE jump.

I guess its possible to be worse than last year but you would have to work at it.

But then this is the Dallas Cowboys we are talking about...

The coordinator change alone gets us to mediocre and then we go from there.

If we play the two rookie LBs it'll be a big upgrade but we won't. We'll only play Parsons and that will minimize the improvement some.

Maybe Bohanna can shore up the run defense. That would be a huge improvement that could get us towards average.

Other than that I've got nothing. This is not good defensive personnel.

 

[charron]

You haven't even seen the 2021 defense yet so how can you say that?

lol You expect every rookie to come in and ball out? We've seen the veteran guys play. If the changes in personnel are an improvement which they should be we might get back to average. You can annoint them a top 10 defense if you want, free country.

 

[charron]

Maybe, but we 100% lost 3 of them.

We lost all 4. 4 losses were on defense the other 4 offense. Perfect 8-8 season. Now all 8 wins were on offense.

 

[Oz-of-Cowboy-Country]

People do it all the time with accuracy.

You're right.
I predict someone's going to call you a butthole in the future.
lol--JK.

 

[Zman5]

Deion was not always on the best receiver, trust me. In that infamous 1994 NFC title game the 49ers strategy was to let Deion neuter Harper (which he did) and double Mike with Eric Davis and Merton Hanks until Mike had gone off for 150 yards and a couple of TDs even while being doubled and had the Cowboys threatening to take the lead even after being down 21-0 in the first 5 minutes of the game. The Cowboys also tried this strategy in 1995 when the 49ers came to town and they kept Deion out wide covering a fullback who motioned out of the backfield which allowed Jerry Rice to get matched up against Darren Woodson which promptly turned into an 81 yard TD on the first pass of the game. The Cowboys were FREQUENTLY criticized for not "traveling" Deion with the other team's best receiver. It wasn't that they never did it.. But that in the eyes on the fans and many so called experts.. they didn't do it enough. I know some teams do it but most teams don't. Especially when teams put their #1 receiver in the slot.. It's just too hard..

Just because Deion wasn't always on the best receiver doesn't mean he was always playing the outside. I've seen him travel with other team's best wr for that day. I've seen other team's best DBs travel with the team's best WR many time. Especially against receivers that play both inside and outside (Megatron for instance).

Your idea that the "best" CB only plays outside is totally wrong.

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

We lost 3 games where our defense held our opponents to 12, 13, and 17.

That's what happened.

OMG, how many times do we have to go through this.

KC, 2019. KC defense gave up 19 points...they lost the game.
Patriots, 2020, gave up 18 points, they lost the game, 2019, they gave up 20 points, they lost the game (with brady that is), 2017, patriots gave up 17 points, they lost the game (with brady)
GB, 2017 they gave up 17 points, they lost the game
Seattle, 2020 gave up 17 points, they lost the game, same in 2020, gave up 17 points and lost the game

and I can go through all the good teams and good QBs and get similar results....sometimes you offense doesn't score and your defense just has to hold up.....one year Rodgers scored 9 points in a game, they won it because defense gave up 0 points....imagine that!!!

and before you bring up Dak threw 0 TDs and cost us the game
Tom Brady 2019.... 3 games where he had 0 TDs, and they won those 3 games scoring 35 in one game
Aaron Rodgers 2019.... 3 games where he had 0 TDs and they won all three games, scoring 24, 23 and 34 points
Russell Wilson, 2018....2 games where he had 0 TDs and they won both games.

go figure that QBs win games without throwing a TD

 

[RonnieT24]

Just because Deion wasn't always on the best receiver doesn't mean he was always playing the outside. I've seen him travel with other team's best wr for that day. I've seen other team's best DBs travel with the team's best WR many time. Especially against receivers that play both inside out (Megatron for instance).

Your idea that the "best" CB only plays outside is totally wrong.

I'm fairly certain I have never used the word "only" about anything. Sure there are some who travel.. My point was that most do not for the reasons I've outlined. It's just too hard AND doing so telegraphs at least that part of the coverage to the QB. When you travel you are in man.. when you don't you're in zone.. I know that's an oversimplification but you get the drift. At any given time there aren't more than a half dozen corners in the league capable of shadowing the top receiver all over the field. And there's no guarantee that they play for a coach smart enough to take advantage of it. So it's simply not done that often. Yes it DOES happen.. but it is far from the norm.

 

[Zman5]

I'm fairly certain I have never used the word "only" about anything. Sure there are some who travel.. My point was that most do not for the reasons I've outlined. It's just too hard AND doing so telegraphs at least that part of the coverage to the QB. When you travel you are in man.. when you don't you're in zone.. I know that's an oversimplification but you get the drift. At any given time there aren't more than a half dozen corners in the league capable of shadowing the top receiver all over the field. And there's no guarantee that they play for a coach smart enough to take advantage of it. So it's simply not done that often. Yes it DOES happen.. but it is far from the norm.

If CD is the main WR killing the other team against their 3rd best CB, the other team's DC will not let that go on. At least if the DC knows what he's doing.
That was my point of the post. They'll either put their best CB on him or double team him.

You seem to think that won't be the case .

Lamb is going to continue to get a #3 corner or a safety on him most of the time".

You are kidding yourself if a good DC will continue to let CD have his way by keeping a #3 CB or a safety on him.

 

[Dre11]

 

[RonnieT24]

I cant handle any type of compliments to Garrett.

Garretts preparation was terrible. Do you remember his game plans? "take what the defense gives you". He would roll out the EXACT same plan EVERY game. Wouldnt attack weaknesses or avoid strengths of the defense, ect....ect....

This philosophy of his drove me nuts. Good defensive coordinators soon figured out how to show a certain alignment to get the offense to run the exact play they wanted which they would shift to the perfect defense to stop just before the snap. It was exasperating! Remember the game at either KC or San Diego when Dez had 110 yards and 2 TDs in the first quarter and we just stopped throwing him the ball for next 2 and a half quarters just because the defense lined up a certain way? Those two first quarter TDs would end up being our only two scores of the game.. The Thanksgiving Day game this year reminded me of that. Cooper was flat out abusing Darby and then POOF! We just stopped going to him.. That one got me two ways.. One because we pretty much ignored that matchup early in the game and then once Cooper started destroying Darby we stopped exploiting it.. For reasons only Kellen Moore can explain.. Why the hell didn't we open the game with like 6 straight passes to Coop against Darby.. I guarantee 3 of them would have gone for touchdowns before the Ratscums figured it out. Why did we have to wait until the second quarter to go to that matchup? And then why did we stop? Stuff like that scares me about Moore.. Did too much of Garrett rub off on him? Why do we continue to throw 2 yard passes on 3rd or 4th and 3? Why do we not just throw it past the sticks?

 

[RonnieT24]

If CD is the main WR killing the other team against their 3rd best CB, the other team's DC will not let that go on. At least if the DC knows what he's doing.
That was my point of the post. They'll either put their best CB on him or double team him.

You seem to think that won't be the case .



You are kidding yourself if a good DC will continue to let CD have his way by keeping a #3 CB or a safety on him.

Yes they will double him if he starts going off.. but in doing so they will have to leave Cooper one on one.. There aren't 5 teams in the NFL with a #1 corner good enough to get away with that. Double Lamb.. Cooper eats.. double Cooper, Lamb eats.. Double them both Gallup eats or all those resources dedicated to the passing game lets Zeke eat. That's what's so wonderful about all the weapons we have on offense. There simply is no way to cover them all.. The only way to stop us is going to be a fierce pass rush. If Dak gets to 4 Mississippis somebody is gonna be open. Every time.. I can't wait to see it..

 

[Typhus]

WR is a funny position for rookies. It’s rare that rookie wideouts have an impact. Really rare that they have a big impact. CeeDee had a superb rookie season. He was more than advertised.

4 times more than advertised, considering the number of different QBs that threw him the ball.

 

[InTheZone]

How many games that year did we win when the offense didn't put up 30? Hint: The Cowboys have not won a game scoring less than 30 since 2018. The defense benefitted from the offense lighting some teams up early and forcing their offenses to go one dimensional. When we faced defense that didn't allow that or an offense that put OUR defense in a hole the defense has very seldom been equal to the task. Every once in a while you need to be able to win a game 12-10 or 10-9. Or how about a shutout on days when the offense is really struggling? How about getting some turnovers?

we've lost many games holding the opponent under 20, let's not look at the stats like the offense must put 30+ every game.

 

[MountaineerCowboy]

OMG, how many times do we have to go through this.

KC, 2019. KC defense gave up 19 points...they lost the game.
Patriots, 2020, gave up 18 points, they lost the game, 2019, they gave up 20 points, they lost the game (with brady that is), 2017, patriots gave up 17 points, they lost the game (with brady)
GB, 2017 they gave up 17 points, they lost the game
Seattle, 2020 gave up 17 points, they lost the game, same in 2020, gave up 17 points and lost the game

and I can go through all the good teams and good QBs and get similar results....sometimes you offense doesn't score and your defense just has to hold up.....one year Rodgers scored 9 points in a game, they won it because defense gave up 0 points....imagine that!!!

and before you bring up Dak threw 0 TDs and cost us the game
Tom Brady 2019.... 3 games where he had 0 TDs, and they won those 3 games scoring 35 in one game
Aaron Rodgers 2019.... 3 games where he had 0 TDs and they won all three games, scoring 24, 23 and 34 points
Russell Wilson, 2018....2 games where he had 0 TDs and they won both games.

go figure that QBs win games without throwing a TD

You can go through it as many times as you want. You can show other teams that go through it. You can show Super Bowl winning QBs that have gone thorough it.

I am so tired of seeing people compare Dak to guys like Brady, Mahomes, Rodgers, and Wilson. Those guys are winners. IF Dak ever wins anything then you can post these stats. Until then, save it, because Dak does not compare.

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

You can go through it as many times as you want. You can show other teams that go through it. You can show Super Bowl winning QBs that have gone thorough it.

I am so tired of seeing people compare Dak to guys like Brady, Mahomes, Rodgers, and Wilson. Those guys are winners. IF Dak ever wins anything then you can post these stats. Until then, save it, because Dak does not compare.

for the 100th time. I am not comparing him to those guys. I just showed you, very clearly that even those guys have games like that, zero TDs and lose games that their defense keeps the score low....no one is immune to that and you have been harping on this 12,13, 17 for months now....that's been your only ammo, wait I forgot and 0 TDs being reason we lost...both of which have been totally debunked as meaningless....

 

[CowboyRoy]

You're right.
I predict someone's going to call you a butthole in the future.
lol--JK.

I bet someone is going to cry that I am a mean guy.

 

[Zman5]

Yes they will double him if he starts going off.. but in doing so they will have to leave Cooper one on one.. There aren't 5 teams in the NFL with a #1 corner good enough to get away with that. Double Lamb.. Cooper eats.. double Cooper, Lamb eats.. Double them both Gallup eats or all those resources dedicated to the passing game lets Zeke eat. That's what's so wonderful about all the weapons we have on offense. There simply is no way to cover them all.. The only way to stop us is going to be a fierce pass rush. If Dak gets to 4 Mississippis somebody is gonna be open. Every time.. I can't wait to see it..

That will happen but my main point was don't expect CD will automatically do better than last year. Dak being healthy will be big but CD will get more attention and there are more tapes on him for DC to game plan also.

I hope it doesn't happen to him but the sophomore slump is for real for many players.

 

[MountaineerCowboy]

for the 100th time. I am not comparing him to those guys. I just showed you, very clearly that even those guys have games like that, zero TDs and lose games that their defense keeps the score low....no one is immune to that and you have been harping on this 12,13, 17 for months now....that's been your only ammo, wait I forgot and 0 TDs being reason we lost...both of which have been totally debunked as meaningless....

The minute you bring those guys up to justify Daks poor play then you are comparing them.

Those guys get passes for games like that because they are MVP's and Super Bowl champions.

If Dak ever gets to that level then you can give him a pass, until then I will not.

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

The minute you bring those guys up to justify Daks poor play then you are comparing them.

Those guys get passes for games like that because they are MVP's and Super Bowl champions.

If Dak ever gets to that level then you can give him a pass, until then I will not.

no, that's you making the connection and not reading the post and just scanning through it. Dak was not compared to them. I merely stated FACTs about those players.....as I said, those guys have those kind of games. if Dak is not as good as them, then why are you holding him to a higher standard than those guys and constantly harping on 12,13,17 and 0 TD games trying to make the connection that he was the reason for the losses in 0 TD games....

and seemingly now as you have done in the past, you are trying to change the narrative of the debate....you mentioned three games specifically, you were shown that even Great, Elite QBs have those kind of games and now you are moving to MVPs and superbowls and making those the standard to which you want to measure....its a constantly moving target and constantly evolving logic that lives on both sides of the fence....if its MVPs and super bowls, then lets do that, but why bring up those very specific games and scores, extrapolate incorrectly an entire career and try to place blame.....

and you just proved even further my point. even MVPs and Superbowl MVPs have those type of games. why hold Dak to a higher standard?

 

[MountaineerCowboy]

no, that's you making the connection and not reading the post and just scanning through it. Dak was not compared to them. I merely stated FACTs about those players.....as I said, those guys have those kind of games. if Dak is not as good as them, then why are you holding him to a higher standard than those guys and constantly harping on 12,13,17 and 0 TD games trying to make the connection that he was the reason for the losses in 0 TD games....

and seemingly now as you have done in the past, you are trying to change the narrative of the debate....you mentioned three games specifically, you were shown that even Great, Elite QBs have those kind of games and now you are moving to MVPs and superbowls and making those the standard to which you want to measure....its a constantly moving target and constantly evolving logic that lives on both sides of the fence....if its MVPs and super bowls, then lets do that, but why bring up those very specific games and scores, extrapolate incorrectly an entire career and try to place blame.....

and you just proved even further my point. even MVPs and Superbowl MVPs have those type of games. why hold Dak to a higher standard?

Until Dak wins an MVP or Super Bowl he will get no pass from me.

Why do I hold him to a higher standard? He's the 2nd highest paid player ever.

That will be my answer to you from now on.