Dak gets another Top 5 ranking

[phildadon86]

We still harkening back to 2016 to defend Dak? lol

Dak's career is on a similar trajectory as Cousins........ lots of yards and few playoff wins. Dak's got 1 30 TD season. Your projection that Dak was going to continue his 2020 pace over a whole season against good defenses is laughable. He piled up those stats against prevent/milk the clock defenses b/c we were losing. Dak was 1-3 in 2020.

You're right. Teams regularly let other teams come to within a field goal in the NFL.

 

[phildadon86]

NOT closely contested games? Are you sure you want to stick with that comment because I will show you EXACTLY how contested those games actually were.

Didnt you know. Its garbage time until dak throws a game ending pick. How is it game ending if it was garbage time the whole time? lol. Its amazing the lengths people will go. If Jaylon Smith falls on top of that blocked field goal. We beat Cleveland. After allowing 300 yards rushing on the ground

 

[DogFace]

And the pre-season accolades continue. Too bad he has to actually win games at some point or we'd be looking pretty set.

What is his winning % for his career compared to others over the same time period?

 

[CowboyRoy]

Russell Wilson and Josh Allen say hi!
No way Dak is better than those two.
Conversely, becoming possible Watson is in serious trouble this year.

Well, Dak beat Wilson in the playoff game. So there is that. I would definitely take Wilson in his prime, but these two are now closer together. Josh Allen has had one great season. Iove Allen. Coincidentally it was QB challenged fans like you that were saying that Dak was inaccurate like Josh Allen just two years ago.

 

[MountaineerCowboy]

no, its just that one day its wins, but then its not all on him, but then it is on him, but not really, but yeah really. now we compare QBs with passing yard stats, but then we said before passing yard stats are meaningless. its a moving target depending on the argument of the day. its hard to keep up.

Kirk's problem in fact was his inconsistency and shrinking in the 4th quarter. that's why washington let him walk. I lived in DC area and that was the talk about cousins. nobody wanted him and even now in their QB situation they don't want him. Kirk was a first quarter, second quarter QB and shrunk and lost games in the 4th...but to some people 1st and 2nd quarter matter more than 3rd and 4th....God knows how many times we have heard that on this board, probably 18,489 posts on that subject alone.

Kirk cousin is done, descending, he even lost to Andy Dalton, go figure that one out only putting up 28 pts against that cowboys defense of 2020. losing another 4th quarter game, which has been story of his career.

btw, Kirk got a 33M/year contract last year...which was the going market rate for QBs....

everyone in the NFL says Dak is better than cousin, so you are crawling up the wrong tree on this one. find me one person that says Kirk is a better QB than Dak (and not Dak detractors on this board).

If Dak has the consistent stats year in and year out that Cousins has been putting up then we will be lucky.

It's that simple.

 

[MountaineerCowboy]

I think I will just let you sit there with that dumb look on your face and wonder why.

Of course you will, because you can't prove me wrong.

 

[irishline]

We were losing because our defense gives up a touchdown for every 2 possessions. It's not like it's his job to try to get back in the game. Funny you get to decide what counts or not.

I am not an anti-Dak person but I am tired of this repeated and false premise that the defense in Dallas has sucked while Dak has been the QB. From 2016 to 2019 the defense ranked 14th, 8th, 7th, and 9th in yards and 5th, 13th, 6th, and 11th in points.

https://www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/dal/index.htm

Yes the wheels fell off last season, but it has been a top half (even top 10) defense pretty much his entire career. And this with the team spending 3 times as much of the cap on the offensive side of the ball compared to what they are spending on the defense.

Do I blame Dak for the team not getting any farther then they have the last 5 years? Sure. But no more than I blame the rest of the team. My point, stop parroting this incorrect premise that its all on the defense.

 

[DeaconMoss]

Those that know about NFL QB's know he's at least top 5 and moving up.

Wrong. Not top 5. Not even close. We hope he can move up.

Brady. Rogers. Mahomes. Watson. Wilson. Allen. Jackson. (dak is in a group behind these guys with Murray, Cousins, Stafford and Herbert)

 

[atlantacowboy]

What is his winning % for his career compared to others over the same time period?

He's the second highest paid player in the NFL. So, you want him compared to which super bowl winning Qb? Dude has 1 playoff win.

Subtract out his rookie year in 2016 and he's 4 games over .500 over the last 4 seasons.

 

[CowboyRoy]

He's only passed for 30 TDs twice. He's played in 5 or more games in 7 different seasons. Not sure what makes you think he's consistently a 30 TD guy.

Also, Kirk has never lead his team to 13-3. And he's never passed for 4 interceptions in a year. Kirk's best 2 years were 2015 and 2019. Dak pwns him with 2016, and 2020 where he was gonna surpass 6000 yards and 40 TDs had he played the whole year!! Kirk never had stats that pop off the page like that.

I think Kirk Cousins is a good QB. His problem is that he isnt a great leader. You can see it all the time. Also nothing clutch about him. Dak led the NFL in last drive wins his first 3 years for a reason. Dak is also a dual threat that can use his legs and pick up the tough yards at times.

Anyone that understands QB play would clearly put Dak ahead of Cousins.

 

[MountaineerCowboy]

Are you saying the Kirk Cousins is better than Dak? After all I dont want to misquote you.

Because thats what it seems like to me you are alluding to.

I'm saying that we will be lucky if Dak can be as consistent as Kirk has been.

I mean, the numbers 100% say Kirk is better, but I'd still take Dak because of age.

 

[LACowboysFan1]

Yet since the end of the legion of Boom his post season record is 2-4. I think Wilson is a very good QB but their championship season had a lot to do with that defense and the running game of Marshawn Lynch. hell they could have won back to back SB had they handed the ball off to Lynch down by the goal line vs NE instead Wilson throws the pick and NE holds on to win. Frankly all this shows me is the importance of team when it comes to winning it all.

Wilson only went to the SB when he had the number ONE defense. In 2018 they still had the 16th ranked defense and lost their first playoff game to our beloved Cowboys. In 2012 they had the 3rd ranked defense and lost the second playoff game.

Not a dig at Wilson, he is an excellent quarterback, just noting that he's no Superman...

 

[DogFace]

Russell Wilson and Josh Allen say hi!
No way Dak is better than those two.
Conversely, becoming possible Watson is in serious trouble this year.

Allen? What are career numbers compared to Dak?

 

[MountaineerCowboy]

didn’t he go 1-3 or 2-3 last year?

The only thing that counts about last year is all his empty stats. The 1-3 record does not.

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

Even with losing Marshawn, even with “losing his defense”, as you say, Russell Wilson has 9 winning seasons in 9 years. Peyton Never did that, he had a few clunkers early. Montana actually has 4 losing seasons in which started at least 1 game.

The only other player in NFL history to match Russell’s streak is Tom Brady. It’s pretty unbelievable. 98 wins in 9 years. If he goes 12-4 again, he’ll average 11 wins a season. Seahawks may have good coaching and roster development, but that takes of a lot of good QBing to maintain

but when that same argument was made for Dak, people pointed to playoff and the OL....now playoff record doesn't matter and Seattle's defense and Lynch don't matter. I don't get it....and when I mention Peyton and his 0-4 playoff record his first 5 years, people get upset that I am comparing Peyton to Dak...so are you comparing Peyton to Wilson?

so the goal post moves again....because its convenient for the argument at hand

 

[CowboyRoy]

Of course you will, because you can't prove me wrong.

You have the burden of proof. The article and any other list has Dak in front of Cousins.

How about you start out by showing me ONE list that has Cousins in front of Dak? Whats the matter? Cant do it? Im just asking for one. We can start there.

 

[DogFace]

He's the second highest paid player in the NFL. So, you want him compared to which super bowl winning Qb? Dude has 1 playoff win. Subtract out his rookie year in 2016 and he's 4 games over .500.

I wondered about his career winning % vs others over the same period. That has to say something or no?

Also, the Cowboys poor D has something to do with the playoff wins, or no?

Seems like he played pretty well in the playoffs...what are those numbers?

 

[Aerolithe_Lion]

Prove me wrong.

There is a stat ESPN came up with called total quarterback rating, or QBR. This stat specifically quantifies how a player does on third and fourth downs; in the third or fourth quarter, and particularly evens out what players do while they’re within 1 score vs putting up “garbage time stats”.

Despite putting up at least somewhat similar stats over Dak’s career, Dak has 4 of his 5 QBR years over 70. That’s a very good score, as he is a very good quarterback.

Kirk, on the other hand, has put up a 56 in his last year in Washington, a 59, a 60, and a 63 in his 3 Minny years. The things people say about Dak garbage time stat padding is twofold on Cousins.

He is playing with a deficit (despite often having better defenses than Dak, particularly in Minnesota), and trying to claw his team back from a hole they often ultimately lose, as shown by the fact he now has 4 losing seasons in his 8 years starting multiple games. Whether or not you consider Dak a winner, Kirk is something less than what Prescott is labeled, and the stats show that.

QBR, PFF, etc are flawed analysis, but they’re handy for specific interactions like this

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

You have the burden of proof. The article and any other list has Dak in front of Cousins.

How about you start out by showing me ONE list that has Cousins in front of Dak? Whats the matter? Cant do it? Im just asking for one. We can start there.

funny that he has hitched his wagon to Cousins....

 

[Doomsday101]

Wilson only went to the SB when he had the number ONE defense. In 2018 they still had the 16th ranked defense and lost their first playoff game to our beloved Cowboys. In 2012 they had the 3rd ranked defense and lost the second playoff game.

Not a dig at Wilson, he is an excellent quarterback, just noting that he's no Superman...

It helps having defense. ask Drew Brees and Rodgers