Dak gets another Top 5 ranking

[Future]

actually he has had one...well, basically one 4297, 30,10...but 30 was the highest of his career...but MC likes to generalize and round up...his other seasons he as at 25, 26, 27 including his 4900 yard season....you know basically 25 is same as 30 so that its easier on the eye as he said.

In other words he hasn't done it and in other other words, you can't expect it to be repeated.

 

[MountaineerCowboy]

IT IS FOUR SEASONS. If you're keeping track at home, that's how many full seasons Dak has played.

The number four is one less than five, and one more than three. If you start counting on your thumb, it's the one when you hit the ring finger.

You're getting defensive because you know you don't have a very good point here.

You're purposely trying to either a) leave out one of Kirks best seasons or b) make up fake numbers for Dak.

Both of those things are dishonest to the debate. You can't do that. You can't pick and chose seasons to make your narrative look better.

You take the starting seasons from Cousins and compare them to the starting seasons from Dak. It's that simple.

 

[MountaineerCowboy]

LOL...............there's my proof. EVERY single list by EVERY single expert has Dak better than Cousins. Just for starters. WHATCHU GOT?

Other then a reputation for being a Dak hater. Your opinion is disqualified on that fact alone. Why would anyone care about YOUR list?

But I will make sure to remind you that you like Cousins more than Dak.

"Expert"

Whos the experts your referring to? Some guy on Twitter? lol

 

[MountaineerCowboy]

You think Cousins is better. GOT IT!!

Just want to get the record straight when you try to deny it later.

Yes. Kirk has been better then Dak.

The numbers simply do not lie.

Doesn't mean that he will be going forward, but up to this point, Yes 100% Kirk Cousins has been a better, more productive, and more consistent QB then Dak Prescott.

 

[DeaconMoss]

QB is the most important position on offense. He doesnt do diddly for the defense or the special teams.

If the legion of Dak stands in arms with this response, then we will never agree. Because this is an absolute ridiculous statement. Ever heard of field position?

 

[CowboyRoy]

"Expert"

Whos the experts your referring to? Some guy on Twitter? lol

Anyone is an expert compared to you. Why dont you make a list so I can laugh at it?

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

You want to compare season when Cousins wasn't even starting to seasons where Dak started? That's embarrassing. I could at least admit that I'm wrong if I was, but instead you just keep saying nonsense. I hope everyone see this, so they can see just how out of reality some are willing to go to defend certain players.

Give up on this one.

P.S. You HAVE NOT seen me compare Manning to Dak at any point. You are confusing me with another user.

but then why compare his 9 year career to a 5 year career. given Dak's trajectory and he is an improving ascending player, should we wait and compare his stats in years 5-9, vs. cousins 5-9? cousins barely played in his first 4 years because he wasn't good enough, he couldn't replace the starter that was in place unlike what Dak did. and his team was happy to let him walk and told him don't let the door hit you in the back on your way out. its embarassing how you are trying to spin things (but that's what you do and have done)...... like I said, you are right about Dak based on his performance on sunday games played at 4:00, north of Mississippi, on grass against AFC teams. he has a 2-9 record. just awful. he sucks.... see I did what you did.....


I think you need to really see how you have been trying to spin this when the entire NFL world says otherwise. everyone in the NFL, media, and fans from other teams say Dak is better, yet here you are arguing based on some made up stats you are trying to spin.....and you have been asked to provide ONE.... ONE legit source that says cousin is a better QB...yet you have been unable to do so...because there aren't any...no one in their right mind would think Cousins is a better QB..... go ahead try spinning again. its what you do, and have done.

no, you have accused me of comparing the two, because I mentioned them in the same paragraph.....and I have had to resort to actually writing a disclaimer just for you saying that although I am mentioning the names, it doesn't mean I am comparing them....

 

[Diehardblues]

I don't think you're understanding.

Their word is not what I base my opinions on when it comes to QBs. Just because they have a big platform does not make their rankings correct.

I understand but when you’re opinion goes against the norm it needs a link or some sort of collaboration to support. Especially from an anonymous fan on a forum.

Otherwise it comes like a bumbling yahoo or a troll. Unless we are to stop the presses and set your unfounded and or supported opinion as the basis for all. Is this what you’re suggesting?

 

[MountaineerCowboy]

Here's what happens if you use the last 5 seasons' per game averages and extrapolate them over a 16-game season.

Kirk: 4,289 Yards, 29 Passing TDs, 11 INT
Dak: 4,089 Yards, 25 Passing TDs, 9 INT

4 Seasons:

Kirk: 4,0129 Yards, 30 Passing TDs, 11 INT
Dak: 4,2016 Yards, 25 Passing TDs, 11 INT

3 Seasons:

Kirk: 4,100 Yards, 31 Passing TDs, 10 INT
Dak: 4,600 Yards, 26 Passing TDs, 10 INT

If you account for a) Dak's rushing TDs and b) the fact that passing TDs are often dictated by playcalling and YAC, and their age/trajectory, Dak's the better QB in a landslide. It's not even close.

Wait a second?

Does this look like "Dak in a landslide" to anyone at all? Am I looking at this wrong? Did you really do this and think that it makes Dak look better in a "landslide"? You cannot believe that lol

Also? Did you factor in Kirks rushing TD the same way you did Daks? He's got 11 of them in the past 5 seasons.

 

[DeaconMoss]

I understand but when you’re opinion goes against the norm it needs a link or some sort of collaboration to support.

https://thelandryhat.com/2020/02/16/dallas-cowboys-nfl-com-rank-dak-prescott-2019/

 

[Diehardblues]

@Diehardblues where did you go?
https://thelandryhat.com/2020/02/16/dallas-cowboys-nfl-com-rank-dak-prescott-2019/

That was after the 2019 season which I’d agree his rankings were more like 8th-12th. But his stock has risen since then.

 

[MountaineerCowboy]

Anyone is an expert compared to you. Why dont you make a list so I can laugh at it?

I could make a list and post it on Twitter.

That makes me an expert now I guess.

 

[MountaineerCowboy]

That was after the 2019 season which I’d agree his rankings were more like 8th-12th. But his stock has risen since then.

His stock has risen since going 1-3 and suffering a season ending injury? lol

 

[Diehardblues]

Yes this is a dated article, but very applicable since 2020 was an incomplete injury season.
My view of Dak is pretty much the same and unchanged.
Prescott is relatively young and durable until the ankle.
Passed for a career-high 4,902 yards in 2019.
Cowboys went 1-6 against playoff teams during that year, and Prescott has a 1-2 record in the playoffs.
Started off 2020 with big numbers in the 2nd halves of games. 1-3 record.
I give him credit for trying hard on the comebacks. Yes the defense was bad, so was Dak-led Offense in first half of each game.

@Doomsday101 I think this article sums it up for a lot of "Dak Haters" who actually like Dak, but question why he demanded to be paid as the top guy, when the proof and results aren't there yet.
Dak Haters are Dallas Cowboys fans. And on this forum, that's a bad thing. So I'll keep my label as Dak Hater and wait for him to hopefully prove he's worth his demands.

https://thelandryhat.com/2020/02/16/dallas-cowboys-nfl-com-rank-dak-prescott-2019/

Prescott posted career numbers in 2019. He threw for 4,902 yards, 30 touchdowns, and 11 interceptions completing 65.1 percent of his passes. His passing yards total was the second-highest in the NFL last season and his passing touchdowns ranked fourth.

Despite the lofty numbers, the Cowboys still underwhelmed last year posting a record of 8-8 and losing the NFC East crown due to a 17-9 defeat to the Philadelphia Eagles in Week 16. Prescott had his worst performance of the season when it counted most against the Birds, completing just 25 of his 44 passes (56.8) for 265 yards, no touchdowns, and no interceptions in the critical matchup.

That lack of team success has led experts at NFL.com to rank Prescott outside of the top ten in their recent QB Index, where they ranked every passer to start a game in 2019. Here’s what Tom Blair wrote after all four NFL.com experts ranked Prescott 11th overall …

@MountaineerCowboy
“Prescott was fantastic at times in the last year of his rookie contract, but the Cowboys missed the playoffs, and he’s now in danger of getting stuck in the Cousins Zone: good enough to pay a ton of money but dogged by lingering doubts over his ceiling.”

The more interesting part of this ranking might be the fact all four NFL.com editors were unanimous on their placement of Dak Prescott outside the top ten. And if that view is shared league-wide, what does that say about the Dallas Cowboys potentially preparing to make Prescott one of the highest-paid quarterbacks in the league? Agreeing on Dak’s value is surely one of the main reasons why a longterm deal has yet to be struck in Dallas.

My opinion has changed as well. I was very skeptical in his early years. But he’s clearly developed into a top 10 QB.

And most experts and critics would agree.

 

[Diehardblues]

His stock has risen since going 1-3 and suffering a season ending injury? lol

Where are you from Mountaineer?
West Virginia ??

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

If that was true you wouldn't be saying 90% of the things you are.

But maybe statistics is not your strong suit.

btw, are you going to tell us in the past 5 years

that Cousins is a better QB is than Peyton Manning was. He has better QB rating than him....
or in the past 5 years
or that cousins is better than Rothlisberger? Cousins has better ratings and more passing.
or that cousins is better than Phillip Rivers? cousins has better ratings, but about the same passing
or that cousins is better than Tom Brady? he has better ratings and more passing yards


is that what you are trying to show with the stats you keep pounding?

 

[Future]

You're getting defensive because you know you don't have a very good point here.

You're purposely trying to either a) leave out one of Kirks best seasons or b) make up fake numbers for Dak.

Both of those things are dishonest to the debate. You can't do that. You can't pick and chose seasons to make your narrative look better.

You take the starting seasons from Cousins and compare them to the starting seasons from Dak. It's that simple.

I haven't made up any numbers. That's what you've done with the "around" methodology. You compare the same number of years, it's stupid to give Cousins a 5th year - which just so happens to be his best - and then leave out Dak's 5th lmao. That's especially true when you're leaving out Cousins' first three years in the league when he was only a part-time starter. Do we get to wash away Dak's first 9 starts because...reasons? But fine, we'll play it your way.

16-game pace for Cousins based on his 6 seasons as a full time starter (95 games). 4,268 yards, 29 TD, 11 INT.
16-game pace for Dak based on hi 4 seasons as a full-time starter (64 games). 3,944 yards, 24 TD, 9 INT.

So Dak is in the same category as Kirk if we're using the "around 4,300" metric you like. He has slightly fewer passing TDs, but has more rushing TDs, and has fewer INTs. Please tell me how Kirk is better based on this?

Like you're literally choosing to get rid of Kirk's worst seasons, get rid of Dak's best, and the numbers - which are a poor measure of QB play anyway - are pretty close to the same. One QB is ascending, the other peaked years ago. Like what are we doing here? This is really, really stupid.

 

[MountaineerCowboy]

I wish I could use 4-letter words to tell you how dumb you are.

Saying he's "around" numbers he's literally never hit every year is stupid. It's the same thing as me saying Dak is around a 5,000 yard quarterback lol.

How can you say he's never hit them when he has? Just because he has not finished the season exactly at those numbers does not mean he didn't "hit them" during the season.

Dak has never threw for 5,000 yards. That's why you cant say what you want to say.

YOU NEED A REFERENCE POINT. A reference point basically acts as an average. Dak cannot average 5,000 yards when he has, in fact, never thrown for 5,000 yards

Why are you so confused by the concept? Do you know anything about averages?

 

[Diehardblues]

I could make a list and post it on Twitter.

That makes me an expert now I guess.

An anonymous fan on a Cowboys forum bashing our QB could make you a Troll. Especially one from enemy territory that’s only been on here since Feb.

What’s the old saying. If it looks and sounds like a duck.

 

[Future]

How can you say he's never hit them when he has? Just because he has not finished the season exactly at those numbers does not mean he didn't "hit them" during the season.

Dak has never threw for 5,000 yards. That's why you cant say what you want to say.

YOU NEED A REFERENCE POINT. A reference point basically acts as an average. Dak cannot average 5,000 yards when he has, in fact, never thrown for 5,000 yards

Why are you so confused by the concept? Do you know anything about averages?

KIRK COUSINS HAS NEVER HAD A 4,300 YARD, 30 TD, 10 INT SEASON. He has never done that. He literally has not hit them.

Like how can you even say that bolded line, and then not do the same thing for Dak when he threw for 4,900. That's just astoundingly dumb. Like that doesn't meet your barometer for "hit," but when Cousins comes up short, he does? Lmao