What recent data shows about Cowboys popularity

[Jake]

Didnt the Lions bring in the right people with Patricia? A proven winner in New England? How did that work out?
Didnt XXXX bring in the right kind of people withXXXXX I can start naming names over and over again... but I think you get my point.

What point? That hiring someone other than your family members doesn't aways work? That's hardly a point.

The point we do have is the teams running like a family business - Bengals and Cowboys - have not won anything in 25 years. How many decades of failure will it take for you to question that operating model?

 

[Diehardblues]

Didnt the Lions bring in the right people with Patricia? A proven winner in New England? How did that work out?
Didnt XXXX bring in the right kind of people withXXXXX I can start naming names over and over again... but I think you get my point.

Of course and I’ve already responded to that thought.

And I’d argue he wasn’t a proven winner . He worked under a proven winner.

What we need to be comparing our franchise to is the ones who have had more success not the ones who haven’t.

 

[john van brocklin]

Of course and I’ve already responded to that thought.

And I’d argue he wasn’t a proven winner . He worked under a proven winner.

What we need to be comparing our franchise to is the ones who have had more success not the ones who haven’t.

Well stated

 

[john van brocklin]

Of course and I’ve already responded to that thought.

And I’d argue he wasn’t a proven winner . He worked under a proven winner.

What we need to be comparing our franchise to is the ones who have had more success not the ones who haven’t.

Excellent point

 

[john van brocklin]

What point? That hiring someone other than your family members doesn't aways work? That's hardly a point.

The point we do have is the teams running like a family business - Bengals and Cowboys - have not won anything in 25 years. How many decades of failure will it take for you to question that operating model?

Ditto

 

[Techsass]

Point of reference:
I grew up in Hawaii in the 70s. We got the Raiders and Cowboys every week.

Where abouts? I lived in Niu Valley in the 70s.

 

[jnday]

When you look at the top 10 highest rated games in any NFL season, the Cowboys are normally in 5-7 of those games.... no matter what the teams record for that season is.
When you look at any after market ticket vendor, Cowboys road games are SIGNIFICANTLY higher than any other teams road games. I just looked up ticket prices for my seats for the Saints game.... we paid $230 per ticket for our seats. The game 3 weeks earlier against the Falcons, same section and actually 2 rows lower than our seats is $149 per ticket..... that is unfortunately the curse us traveling Cowboys fans have.

In addition to those prices, Cowboy's "Road," games often have a significant portion of the stadium filled with Cowboys fans. The playoff game in LA 3 years ago had more Cowboy's fans in the stadium than Rams fans. Without a doubt, the team's popularity is not dropping. I grew up a Cowboys fan and I have 4 kids... ALL Cowboys fans. You think that same thing hasnt happened all over the country?

Your view is entirely different than the view I have. At one time, close to 50% of the fans in my area were Cowboy fans, despite being in the middle of Saints territory. It seems to be around 10% Cowboy fans now. The combination of the Cowboys declining and the Saints improving has totally changed the fandom in my area.

 

[Reid1boys]

Of course and I’ve already responded to that thought.

And I’d argue he wasn’t a proven winner . He worked under a proven winner.

What we need to be comparing our franchise to is the ones who have had more success not the ones who haven’t.

name 5 with proven success over the past 15 years.

 

[buybuydandavis]

Where abouts? I lived in Niu Valley in the 70s.

Pacific Palisades, that western chunk of Pearl City past the gulch.

 

[Diehardblues]

name 5 with proven success over the past 15 years.

New England
Pittsburg
Seattle
Green Bay
New Orleans

And we can expand this list with franchises who have had more success than us the last 25 years.

Remember since 1996 only 3 NFC teams have failed to appear in conference championship game. Dallas, Detroit and Washington.

 

[CouchCoach]

and the 96% of owners that havent sniffed a SB win are hands off... so what does that mean?

How many changes at GM have those teams had?

The point is not that he tried to run it himself, the point is even he realized he was not the best man for the job but refused to make a change. That night, when Costas asked him that question, his answer told every Cowboys fan what they were in store for as long as he's alive.

He chooses to run the team and I choose to remain a fan thinking he might just get lucky. The worst part of this is if he did the job full time and devoted the time to it other GM's have to devote, he might actually be a good GM. He is not a bad one now, he's just not one of the top 10. But he is not as bad as some charge here.

As fans, we were used to a top 5 and at times, a top 3 GM, but time took it's toll and the magic of Schramm, Brandt and Landry was over.

There is one major difference between Schramm and Booger. and every player back then will attest to it. Schramm was a GM for the fans and Booger is a GM for the players. Booger wants to be admired and liked by the players and Schramm wanted to be liked by the fans, and owner, for keeping the band together. How would he have done in FA? That would be most interesting because he was known for getting over on the players at contract time.

 

[kskboys]

New England
Pittsburg
Seattle
Green Bay
New Orleans

And we can expand this list with franchises who have had more success than us the last 25 years.

Remember since 1996 only 3 NFC teams have failed to appear in conference championship game. Dallas, Detroit and Washington.

NYG also.

 

[MyFairLady]

Jerry is a drunken clown and his football team is a nepotism poop show that never wins anything. That is why they have no new fans. Just salty old ones like me.

 

[Miller]

I raised three sons, all of them watched the Cowboys every week as they grew up. My oldest son was 12 the last time the Cowboys won a divisional playoff game. He’s 37 now, and he and his other brothers consider the Cowboys a joke. They are all 3 huge Dallas Mavericks and Dallas Stars fans, because those two franchises have won two league championships and 5 conference championships since the Cowboys last did anything. They will watch a Cowboys game with me but they gave up on the Cowboys years ago.

I get this. My kids are still relatively young…13, 12 and 9. My girls don’t care. My son is the 9 yr old. He’s a Cowboys and Bears fan(since he was born up there) so horrible for him…and has a Dak jersey..but through YouTube he’s been very much into the NBA. He loves Luka and has his jersey but he also loves just watching good players so he loves Steph, the Big Greek, Kyrie etc. We are on vacation in California and he just got a Steph “City” jersey. I think kids now are less enthralled with teams and more into players in all sports. The only team he follows with me in football is TCU. Most of his questions revolving around the NFL that aren’t Cowboy/Bear related are about “who is good”; “do we like them?” and “is this a good matchup?” He likes cool uniforms too

 

[Diehardblues]

How many changes at GM have those teams had?

The point is not that he tried to run it himself, the point is even he realized he was not the best man for the job but refused to make a change. That night, when Costas asked him that question, his answer told every Cowboys fan what they were in store for as long as he's alive.

He chooses to run the team and I choose to remain a fan thinking he might just get lucky. The worst part of this is if he did the job full time and devoted the time to it other GM's have to devote, he might actually be a good GM. He is not a bad one now, he's just not one of the top 10. But he is not as bad as some charge here.

As fans, we were used to a top 5 and at times, a top 3 GM, but time took it's toll and the magic of Schramm, Brandt and Landry was over.

There is one major difference between Schramm and Booger. and every player back then will attest to it. Schramm was a GM for the fans and Booger is a GM for the players. Booger wants to be admired and liked by the players and Schramm wanted to be liked by the fans, and owner, for keeping the band together. How would he have done in FA? That would be most interesting because he was known for getting over on the players at contract time.

Well done Coach . And I’d agree with most as we are usually aligned in these issues.

One thing I’d mention is we did have limited FA with Schramm and we did pursue our share and had some success with players like Alworth, Adderly, Ditka, Pearson and Dutton to name a few.

And in those days with meager contracts in comparison playing for the Cowboys was a great benefit and motivation as playoff money was a true benefit and access to endorsements and off field access for additional revenue.

And several of our more popular and successful players like Staubach, Merideth, Lilly and Jordan for example had more financial success in business after their playing days.

There are many parallels we can draw with Schramm and Jethro. They were both promoters and figure heads for the league but one wasn’t intent on being the face of the franchise. He was content in delegating those football operations to more expertise .

I’ll never forget on that plane trip to Lakeway to fire Landry, Jethro complimented Schramm on the Iconic brand he’d built. And Tex told him that success on the field was vital in that success. Jethro in his revolutionary revenue brilliant streams has proven that’s not necessary. Something I don’t think Tex would have thought possible or he might have pursued it as well.

Clint Murchison Jr will still go down as the Cowboys greatest owner for bringing in arguably the greatest trio in NFL history with Tex, Tom and Gil who all are in the HOF.

An owner born into Oil wealth that didn’t need the spotlight. We never saw him hoist the Lombardi. And he deserves a spot in Ring Of Honor. For without an owners like him we’d of never achieved the Iconic brand and success. Truly an icon for city of Dallas and our beloved franchise.

Dallas was very fortunate to have two great businessman begin franchises in Dallas . One went on to Kansas City and was a founding father of the AFL arguably one of the most well run franchises in the league and greatest fan bases. The other took more of a back seat letting his HOF hired guns build the most popular and successful franchise. Both were great citizens of Dallas and well respected . Something we haven’t had since.

 

[Reid1boys]

New England
Pittsburg
Seattle
Green Bay
New Orleans

And we can expand this list with franchises who have had more success than us the last 25 years.

Remember since 1996 only 3 NFC teams have failed to appear in conference championship game. Dallas, Detroit and Washington.

nope.... that list is fine..........ready?
Green Bay went from one Hall of Fame QB to another, much like the Niners of the 80s.... only difference is that the Niners won 4 SBs in a relatively short timeeriod. Green Bay has won 1 SB with one of the top 5 QBs to ever play the game. Sorry, I do not equate that as a successful run. JMO, but if you are a top 5 QB, you should have 2 or more titles.

New Orleans..... see GB above. The Saints were 3-13 in 2005 and Brees arrived in 2006 and pow.... let the good times begin. Even with Brees, the Saints failed to have a winning record at the end of the season in 6 of Brees 14 Saints seasons, including THREE STRAIGHT 7-9 seasons. They have also been in CAP hell for what seems like forever. Again, 1 SB win. IN the 13 seasons before Brees arrived in New Orleans, they had 2, yes that is TWO winning season.

IN the 4 seasons before Russel Wilson's arrival in Seattle, they won a total of 23 games. Wilson was drafted in the 3rd rd and the Seahawks had no intention of him being a pro bowl QB. Much like the Cowboys, they lucked into a starting franchise QB. When Wilson took over, the Seahawks had an all time great defense and they were able to have a starting QB making peanuts. IN a few short years the defense was torn apart due to salary issues, and as soon as that happened, those 2 great SB years quickly became a distant memory. One could argue the Seahawks did things WRONG and screwed up a team that should have competed for a title for 6 seasons.... not 2. Again, all the seahawks great decisions coincided with the arrival of Russel Wilson.

Patriots..... do I really need to discuss them? I said for years as soon as Brady was gone, Belichek was gonna be exposed for what he is.... a very good coach, just like the other multiple very good NFL coaches in the league. And holy smokes did it happen fast. Brady left, and the Pats entered joke stage. They stay in jokester status this year by bringing back Cam Newton.... are you kidding me? If the Cowboys had signed Cam Newton to even be Dak's back up the Jones' boys would be raked over the coals. IM happy the pats brought "Superman," back, as it will continue to bolster my argument that Belichek became "Belichek," because of Brady. I dont care how great a d coordinator he was in a prior lifetime.... there are lots of those guys out there. I can not say anything about the Pats except for people to stop using that outlier as the example they use to try and point out Cowboy flaws. See me in 5 years and lets discuss the Pats some more....lol

The Steelers.... ill give you them... BUT, again, their Success and great front office moves mostly revolve around them hitting the jackpot with Big Ben. I dont have much to say negatively about the Steelers as THEY, not the Pats are the team I would say always seems to do things the right way. I like the Steelers, a lot. So I will concede them to you in this discussion.

 

[Reid1boys]

How many changes at GM have those teams had?

The point is not that he tried to run it himself, the point is even he realized he was not the best man for the job but refused to make a change. That night, when Costas asked him that question, his answer told every Cowboys fan what they were in store for as long as he's alive.

He chooses to run the team and I choose to remain a fan thinking he might just get lucky. The worst part of this is if he did the job full time and devoted the time to it other GM's have to devote, he might actually be a good GM. He is not a bad one now, he's just not one of the top 10. But he is not as bad as some charge here.

As fans, we were used to a top 5 and at times, a top 3 GM, but time took it's toll and the magic of Schramm, Brandt and Landry was over.

There is one major difference between Schramm and Booger. and every player back then will attest to it. Schramm was a GM for the fans and Booger is a GM for the players. Booger wants to be admired and liked by the players and Schramm wanted to be liked by the fans, and owner, for keeping the band together. How would he have done in FA? That would be most interesting because he was known for getting over on the players at contract time.

Ill be honest, I despise trying to use anything about the NFL back in the 80s and before when discussing it today. Back then, teams had ALL OF THE POWER.... every single bit of it. They owned the players and players would not dare speak out against the coach or team. Today, the players have the power, the players (the really good ones) are in charge. Look at the Seahawks.... Russel said hey, Im not gonna negotiate this at the end of the season. Here is what I want for my contract. You pay it or you dont. Pow, Seahawks were like.. yes sir, Mr. Wilson, anything you say sir!

I agree that the Cowboys did have an advantage at GM back then... for whatever reason. But today.... nobody does. Scouting combines, pro days, huge scouting staffs, Video, and LOTS OF IT for every NCAA player and team to watch. There is just nothing that one team does over another that gives them some great advantage. Salary cap "Gurus," are no longer Gurus... every team has a guy that knows how to manipulate the salary cap every season and take you from way over to under the cap with a few moves.

 

[Reid1boys]

Well done Coach . And I’d agree with most as we are usually aligned in these issues.

One thing I’d mention is we did have limited FA with Schramm and we did pursue our share and had some success with players like Alworth, Adderly, Ditka, Pearson and Dutton to name a few.

And in those days with meager contracts in comparison playing for the Cowboys was a great benefit and motivation as playoff money was a true benefit and access to endorsements and off field access for additional revenue.

And several of our more popular and successful players like Staubach, Merideth, Lilly and Jordan for example had more financial success in business after their playing days.

There are many parallels we can draw with Schramm and Jethro. They were both promoters and figure heads for the league but one wasn’t intent on being the face of the franchise. He was content in delegating those football operations to more expertise .

I’ll never forget on that plane trip to Lakeway to fire Landry, Jethro complimented Schramm on the Iconic brand he’d built. And Tex told him that success on the field was vital in that success. Jethro in his revolutionary revenue brilliant streams has proven that’s not necessary. Something I don’t think Tex would have thought possible or he might have pursued it as well.

Clint Murchison Jr will still go down as the Cowboys greatest owner for bringing in arguably the greatest trio in NFL history with Tex, Tom and Gil who all are in the HOF.

An owner born into Oil wealth that didn’t need the spotlight. We never saw him hoist the Lombardi. And he deserves a spot in Ring Of Honor. For without an owners like him we’d of never achieved the Iconic brand and success. Truly an icon for city of Dallas and our beloved franchise.

Dallas was very fortunate to have two great businessman begin franchises in Dallas . One went on to Kansas City and was a founding father of the AFL arguably one of the most well run franchises in the league and greatest fan bases. The other took more of a back seat letting his HOF hired guns build the most popular and successful franchise. Both were great citizens of Dallas and well respected . Something we haven’t had since.

The good old days werent always good and tomorrow aint as bad as it seems....... Billy Joel

 

[Reid1boys]

Jerry is a drunken clown and his football team is a nepotism poop show that never wins anything. That is why they have no new fans. Just salty old ones like me.

no new fans? you dont get out much do you?

 

[kskboys]

Ill be honest, I despise trying to use anything about the NFL back in the 80s and before when discussing it today. Back then, teams had ALL OF THE POWER.... every single bit of it. They owned the players and players would not dare speak out against the coach or team. Today, the players have the power, the players (the really good ones) are in charge. Look at the Seahawks.... Russel said hey, Im not gonna negotiate this at the end of the season. Here is what I want for my contract. You pay it or you dont. Pow, Seahawks were like.. yes sir, Mr. Wilson, anything you say sir!

I agree that the Cowboys did have an advantage at GM back then... for whatever reason. But today.... nobody does. Scouting combines, pro days, huge scouting staffs, Video, and LOTS OF IT for every NCAA player and team to watch. There is just nothing that one team does over another that gives them some great advantage. Salary cap "Gurus," are no longer Gurus... every team has a guy that knows how to manipulate the salary cap every season and take you from way over to under the cap with a few moves.

Not true. Being a GM today is about player evaluation, personnel, scheme fits. It's all about the players acquired and how they fit together.

Jerry just takes players willynilly and way too often takes guys who are sliding in the draft, primarily due to injuries, drugs, or attitude issues. And then, before this year, he has steadfastly refused to address S and DT, showing beyond any doubt that he does not understand the positions. Every S we take is some hard hitting box S w/ stiff hips. And he's done that for years upon years.

I agree, we do not have the advantages in player evaluation we had back in the day, but now we are in the negative in that regard. And it's all due to having a GM who does not understand the intricacies of player evaluation at the NFL level.