What if 3-4 defense struggles

[Dak_Attack_09]

Last year Mike McCarthy was adamant on playing 3-4 knowing he didn’t have the time, coaches & players to do it and still wants to continue go down this road.

Dan Quinn’s success came under 4-3 defense & in Atl SB run it was 4-3 majority of the time.

My question is would you get rid of McCarthy if the defense struggles for the first quarter of the season like last year and promote Kellen Moore as the HC?

 

[CowboyFrog]

Last year Mike McCarthy was adamant on playing 3-4 knowing he didn’t have the time, coaches & players to do it and still wants to continue go down this road.

Dan Quinn’s success came under 4-3 defense & in Atl SB run it was 4-3 majority of the time.

My question is would you get rid of McCarthy if the defense struggles for the first quarter of the season like last year and promote Kellen Moore as the HC?

The problem with 3-4 vs 4-3 is your not in your base D alot anymore....our coaches need to find a way to neutralize the other offenses gameplan using the players they have. I dont (ok I hope really really hope) our players are not as bad as they looked last year and that a full TC with some new additions and a new DC shows we can be a middle of the pack defense.

 

[Dak_Attack_09]

The problem with 3-4 vs 4-3 is your not in your base D alot anymore....our coaches need to find a way to neutralize the other offenses gameplan using the players they have. I dont (ok I hope really really hope) our players are not as bad as they looked last year and that a full TC with some new additions and a new DC shows we can be a middle of the pack defense.

You are making Demarcus Lawrence & Gregory less valuable. Good thing is Bradlee Anae can play both style & dominate but in 4-3 he can have TJ Watt type of impact.

 

[CowboyRoy]

Last year Mike McCarthy was adamant on playing 3-4 knowing he didn’t have the time, coaches & players to do it and still wants to continue go down this road.

Dan Quinn’s success came under 4-3 defense & in Atl SB run it was 4-3 majority of the time.

My question is would you get rid of McCarthy if the defense struggles for the first quarter of the season like last year and promote Kellen Moore as the HC?

I would fully expect the defense to struggle early in the season no matter who was the new DC. So no I would not.

 

[CowboyRoy]

You are making Demarcus Lawrence & Gregory less valuable. Good thing is Bradlee Anae can play both style & dominate but in 4-3 he can have TJ Watt type of impact.

 

[Cowboyny]

Last year Mike McCarthy was adamant on playing 3-4 knowing he didn’t have the time, coaches & players to do it and still wants to continue go down this road.

Dan Quinn’s success came under 4-3 defense & in Atl SB run it was 4-3 majority of the time.

My question is would you get rid of McCarthy if the defense struggles for the first quarter of the season like last year and promote Kellen Moore as the HC?

We aren't running a 3-4 defense, just will look like that on the run downs.

 

[Big D]

You are making Demarcus Lawrence & Gregory less valuable. Good thing is Bradlee Anae can play both style & dominate but in 4-3 he can have TJ Watt type of impact.

I'm not trying to troll you here but what evidence do you have that brings you to believe that? Don't get me wrong I would love that to be the case but I'm not sure it is.

 

[TwoCentPlain]

You are making Demarcus Lawrence & Gregory less valuable. Good thing is Bradlee Anae can play both style & dominate but in 4-3 he can have TJ Watt type of impact.

All this time, I thought you were somehow related to Dak. Turns out you are probably related to Anae. Are Dak and Anae related somehow? Even by a family member marriage?

 

[Majic]

Last year Mike McCarthy was adamant on playing 3-4 knowing he didn’t have the time, coaches & players to do it and still wants to continue go down this road.

Dan Quinn’s success came under 4-3 defense & in Atl SB run it was 4-3 majority of the time.

My question is would you get rid of McCarthy if the defense struggles for the first quarter of the season like last year and promote Kellen Moore as the HC?

Dan Quinn is willing to learn from his mistakes and I think realises multiple looks are on the DEF are what is required with the modern NFL. Mike McCarthy has had success running a 3-4 scheme. Perhaps he is right, perhaps it is the better scheme to run.

 

[Jake]

Nobody runs straight 3-4 outside of Pittsburgh these days. Teams end up playing nickel more than anything else.

 

[Typhus]

Last year Mike McCarthy was adamant on playing 3-4 knowing he didn’t have the time, coaches & players to do it and still wants to continue go down this road.

Dan Quinn’s success came under 4-3 defense & in Atl SB run it was 4-3 majority of the time.

My question is would you get rid of McCarthy if the defense struggles for the first quarter of the season like last year and promote Kellen Moore as the HC?

What would you say is DQs base D?
Just asking for a friend....

 

[doomsday9084]

Random comments:
- Last years' problems with defense had more to do with other issues than alignment. It was a 2 gap scheme that was complicated, implemented with minimal offseason. Guys who were used to simply attacking a gap had to take on a blocker and read all kinds of things to perform the defense correctly and they just didn't have it in them.
- Quinn is not a McCarthy hire. He is a Jones hire. He is going to get a long leash and if it doesn't work, I doubt McCarthy gets blamed.
- Quinn is going to be running the defense he is used to running and its probably closer to Marinelli's defense than what the Cowboys did last year but even then, there are significant differences.
- The Cowboys defense is going to be super young and most of the team's money goes to offense. There is going to be a long leash here.
- As what everyone says, the Cowboys are going to be running a nickel most of the time.

 

[CowboyFrog]

You are making Demarcus Lawrence & Gregory less valuable. Good thing is Bradlee Anae can play both style & dominate but in 4-3 he can have TJ Watt type of impact.

Tank and Gregory will be the most played DL's no matter what D they play, when we are in some form off nickle I can't think of 2 DL that would be on the field more.....I'm hoping we see Tank moved up and down the line in passing situatuions I feel like he would be a monster comming from the middle on a passing down with Parson comming off the egde with Gregory opposite.

 

[Dak_Attack_09]

Tank and Gregory will be the most played DL's no matter what D they play, when we are in some form off nickle I can't think of 2 DL that would be on the field more.....I'm hoping we see Tank moved up and down the line in passing situatuions I feel like he would be a monster comming from the middle on a passing down with Parson comming off the egde with Gregory opposite.

Standing Demarcus & Randy is a waste of snaps, talent, time and so many more issues it causes down the defense. If your just gonna use them as ends in 3-4 then they are being even more wasted as undersized run defenders & block eaters.

Stop with the nonsense and lets just play 4-3 with some wrinkles in blitz & number of DBs.

 

[Dak_Attack_09]

Dan Quinn is willing to learn from his mistakes and I think realises multiple looks are on the DEF are what is required with the modern NFL. Mike McCarthy has had success running a 3-4 scheme. Perhaps he is right, perhaps it is the better scheme to run.

No the multiple look defense is what helped Brady comeback and win the game. 4-3 is what got him a ring.

 

[CowboyFrog]

Standing Demarcus & Randy is a waste of snaps, talent, time and so many more issues it causes down the defense. If your just gonna use them as ends in 3-4 then they are being even more wasted as undersized run defenders & block eaters.

Stop with the nonsense and lets just play 4-3 with some wrinkles in blitz & number of DBs.

I think what everyone is trying to say is the front seven will be in a 4-2 most defensive snaps to allow 5 DB's on the field...your safe mostly the DE's will be rushing the passer

 

[Dak_Attack_09]

I think what everyone is trying to say is the front seven will be in a 4-2 most defensive snaps to allow 5 DB's on the field...your safe mostly the DE's will be rushing the passer

The most effective DL is when there are two DE’s, one 3-tech & one NT in the DL rotation at the same-time in 80% of the snaps.

 

[dwmyers]

What would you say is DQs base D?
Just asking for a friend....

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seattle_4-3_hybrid_defense

 

[JoeKing]

Dump question, IMO. They are obviously not going to stick with what's not working. The good thing about having a D that can shift from 3-4 to 4-3 or any variation in between is that you have options.

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

Last year Mike McCarthy was adamant on playing 3-4 knowing he didn’t have the time, coaches & players to do it and still wants to continue go down this road.

Dan Quinn’s success came under 4-3 defense & in Atl SB run it was 4-3 majority of the time.

My question is would you get rid of McCarthy if the defense struggles for the first quarter of the season like last year and promote Kellen Moore as the HC?

I think most teams play a hybrid...and we probably will do the same, its a lot about who will be in to rush the passer and the alignment of DL men over the OL....gregory could be in, with his hands down and the other three linemen lined up the same in one play and him standing up in another.....so I doubt if we play a pure 3-4 like the steelers...