Let's say Collins misses a lot of games again

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Hypothetical here.................................what do the Cowboys do?

Do they rely on the new swing tackle or do they move Martin out to tackle and get Mcgovern in there at guard?
 

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The answer should always be to play your best 5 (assuming, of course, they can play at the positions needed). So if McGovern is better than Nsecke he should play at LG and Martin should play at RT, which he did at a pro-bowl level last year.

I know, I know, just "fantasy football nonsense."
 

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The answer should always be to play your best 5 (assuming, of course, they can play at the positions needed). So if McGovern is better than Nsecke he should play at LG and Martin should play at RT, which he did at a pro-bowl level last year.

I know, I know, just "fantasy football nonsense."

No that seems the obvious solution to me. I just dont have confidence in the Cowboys to figure that out. Or at least not in a timely manner. They probably put in Nsecke for a game or two before they realize what needs to be done.

Might do to start him one game to see if Nsecke can handle it.
 

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No that seems the obvious solution to me. I just dont have confidence in the Cowboys to figure that out. Or at least not in a timely manner. They probably put in Nsecke for a game or two before they realize what needs to be done.

Might do to start him one game to see if Nsecke can handle it.
I agree, I was quoting McCarthy when they asked about moving Martin to tackle last year, lol. Then he eventually did it. Hopefully he learned from last year......
 

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"Let's say Collins misses a lot of games again"

I think we should put our heads in the sand, and not say such nasty things. All of our starting o-line and Dak will be available and healthy this entire year leading to a SuperBowl run for the Cowboys.
 

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Hypothetical here.................................what do the Cowboys do?

Do they rely on the new swing tackle or do they move Martin out to tackle and get Mcgovern in there at guard?

If they kick Martin out to RT then you are dealing with an interior line of Williams/Biadasz/McGovern....not exactly a confidence building center of the OL.
 

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The answer should always be to play your best 5 (assuming, of course, they can play at the positions needed). So if McGovern is better than Nsecke he should play at LG and Martin should play at RT, which he did at a pro-bowl level last year.

I know, I know, just "fantasy football nonsense."


Well, you used all the English Language there. Congrats.
 

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The Cowboys moved Martin out at RT because they had nuthin’ and no one else to resort to , with rookie Steele struggling so badly,
and Knight already fillin’ at LT with Cam Irving and Tyrone Smith already out.

- I really believe with mindset of OL coach Joe Philibin , they will once again go with that same strategy with only relying on Martin as a starting RT as an absolute last resort.

- As much as Martin has been dinged up with neck stingers, back issues, knee issues, and he’ll be age 31 this year, I wouldn’t want to chance that until
I just absolutely have to.
I think demanding him to be outside on an island, causing him a more challenging strain on his body that I care for.
Gratefully he did not suffer a torn achilles instead of a calf injury.

- But what I do dearly had wished our beloved OL coach Philibin had done in the offseason and this past summer was flex and try Conner Williams as a swing tackle,
(which he was an accomplished LT at UT)
instead of having Williams dead set on as a swing center, where he seemed to struggle and never improved.

- Oddly that 7th rd draftee Mark Farniok who only starter one game at center in college, ended up being a much better fit as a utility center than Williams who has been working there
since last summer camp.

- If Williams were coached up as a swing tackle this offseason and summer, I’d much rather take my chances with Williams than Steele, Knight, or age 37 Ty Nehseke.
 

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If Collins misses a lot of time this year we may be needing to address this in the draft and move on. What's his contract status as far as dead money?
 

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Hypothetical here.................................what do the Cowboys do?

Do they rely on the new swing tackle or do they move Martin out to tackle and get Mcgovern in there at guard?
Well I don't know anything about a new swing tackle, the coaches ought to to know how good he would be at this point and if he is not then go get one that can do the job. Martin didn't want to play tackle and he got hurt there last year.Please don't be shifting the line around because when they start doing that, it usually goes to crap for this team.
 
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Hypothetical here.................................what do the Cowboys do?

Do they rely on the new swing tackle or do they move Martin out to tackle and get Mcgovern in there at guard?

Keep it simple.
1) Go with Steele, and if that don’t work …
2) Go with Nsehke
3) Go with Knight
4) Go with Ball
5) Go with Farniok
6) Move Martin to OT
7) Comb PS
 

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Hypothetical here.................................what do the Cowboys do?

Do they rely on the new swing tackle or do they move Martin out to tackle and get Mcgovern in there at guard?
Well...sure, but that depletes every bit of depth from go.

Collins is fine.....denial is a much better place to be with this team in early September.

Reality sets in later. Deal with it then.
 

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"Let's say Collins misses a lot of games again"

I think we should put our heads in the sand, and not say such nasty things. All of our starting o-line and Dak will be available and healthy this entire year leading to a SuperBowl run for the Cowboys.
I know right? Bad Karma Man..
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If Collins misses a lot of time this year we may be needing to address this in the draft and move on. What's his contract status as far as dead money?

His base is 1.5 mil in 2021.

Jumps to 10 mil in 22 and 23.

We needed to draft a RT.
 

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The Cowboys moved Martin out at RT because they had nuthin’ and no one else to resort to , with rookie Steele struggling so badly,
and Knight already fillin’ at LT with Cam Irving and Tyrone Smith already out.

- I really believe with mindset of OL coach Joe Philibin , they will once again go with that same strategy with only relying on Martin as a starting RT as an absolute last resort.

- As much as Martin has been dinged up with neck stingers, back issues, knee issues, and he’ll be age 31 this year, I wouldn’t want to chance that until
I just absolutely have to.
I think demanding him to be outside on an island, causing him a more challenging strain on his body that I care for.
Gratefully he did not suffer a torn achilles instead of a calf injury.

- But what I do dearly had wished our beloved OL coach Philibin had done in the offseason and this past summer was flex and try Conner Williams as a swing tackle,
(which he was an accomplished LT at UT)
instead of having Williams dead set on as a swing center, where he seemed to struggle and never improved.

- Oddly that 7th rd draftee Mark Farniok who only starter one game at center in college, ended up being a much better fit as a utility center than Williams who has been working there
since last summer camp.

- If Williams were coached up as a swing tackle this offseason and summer, I’d much rather take my chances with Williams than Steele, Knight, or age 37 Ty Nehseke.

Philbin isnt an elite OL coach.

He got the job because hes big buddies with big mike.

Hopefully the OL survives his coaching.
 

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Just get a freakin vet - and he won't be stopping anyone's progress cause the three knuckleheads we got ain't close to being an adequate swing tackle.
 

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If Collins out for awhile or Tyron the team will be in trouble and there’s nothing they can do, just try to keep Dak and Zeke healthy. Or if Williams/Biadasz struggle the team is probably in trouble too
 
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