Uneasy feeling about coaching?

[Diehardblues]

Quinn definitely looks more like the next HC than Moore.

But the reality is they both are rehearsing for their next HC position. In Moore’s case it will be his first. And more success we have the more their phones are going to be ringing.

I’d suspect both would rather take that call than hang around.

The conundrum here is we thought one would be the next HC here in the event McCarthy was fired. But it’s not looking like he will be fired as it would be almost impossible to not make the playoffs in this division which appears to be even worse than most thought.

 

[DuncanIso]

Clock mgmt has been bad.

especially the play clock.

Dak is leaving too much time after the snap.

The more time we use, the less time the D is on the field.

 

[75boyz]

i think it is all about moore.

jerry seem to really want to develip the next great head coach of the cowboys and he try really hard with garrett.

i think he would fire mccarthy if it was him vs moore leaving for a head coach job. i dont think he would for quinn though.

I agree with this.
I also agree with pretty much everything in CouchCoach's OP.
But overall I think Moore was and continues to be Jerry's hand picked coach to prove to the world that Jerry is indeed a Football Man.

That Jerry ego.
Moore represents Jerry's redemption plan after failing with Garrett the first time.

jmo

 

[Crown Royal]

Preparation, scheme, strategy are all better than they have been since 2014.

Clock management is bad. Special teams still has some stupid ideas. But as a net, this is all better.

Andy Reid spent 20 years being crappy at clock management and has been to 3 super bowls (and the two he lost had nothing to do with clock management).

I'd like to see better but I can live with it.

 

[Doomsday]

My biggest concern is Moore keeps trying to get cute when they are moving the ball at will and get in scoring range.

He has a tendency to get away from the main offense and throw in stupid plays that almost always end up in negative yards.

Yesterday it was the reverse, last week it was the 3 offensive linemen near the ball and 2 split out wide. Seems like an ongoing trend for the 3 years for him. They are running and passing it at will, stop putting in this crap and stick with what is working.

 

[Hawkeye0202]

Yet another mismanagement of the clock at the end of the half to go with last week at the end of the game and then there's last season. Anyone besides me wondering why none of those GB players seemed to be unhappy about McC getting canned? And he didn't get offers from other teams after 13 years as a HC?

But here is my uneasy feeling, the future. Kellen Moore and Dan Quinn are getting more light on them weekly and we know there will be 5-8 coaching changes this off season. One or worse, both of these coaches could be gone.

We know the owner/GM's criteria begins with his comfort level with a HC as he has admitted. A HC has to know his place in the organization and that is not in front of the GM when the cameras are rolling. McC knows that very well as his predecessor did.

Does the mistake of letting Sean Payton get away haunt the GM? Did he learn anything from that? It is always about the best HC for the future of the team.

I have seen enough in 3 games and an off season to form an opinion that Dan Quinn would be a better HC. This guy is all about making "next man up" more than a catch phrase. Are these backups great? No But do they play his concept of team defense? Yes. Definitely shades of that swarming D in 92/93 and I bet Johnson was smiling a lot at what he saw last night.

The story they told last night was that Quinn told the Joneses exactly what they had to do to "start" to fix the defense at all 3 levels. And they did just that. He didn't tell them players, just the types of players at the positions. With the exception of Parsons, who is at the top of the board with Quinn's influence and his recognition that Parsons could be his Bobby Wagner. Early on, he used Wagner a lot like he's using Parsons until he finally settled into that MLB role when they had the pieces around him.

Yes, it is early and yes, the team looks better than anticipated but it is just at these times crucial decisions about the future should be made. McC hired Nolan, the Joneses hired Quinn and then followed his advice about acquisitions in FA and the draft unlike I've ever seen with any new hire coach.

Maybe I am reading something into this but has he become The Mighty Quinn in their eyes and they do not want to let him get away? Could they do something out of character and fire a HC that takes them to the East crown in order to retain a better HC? I do not think paying him more gets him to stay, Quinn is on a quest.

Well, McC surely didn't do himself any favors at the end of the half and I see a lot of close games coming and I'd bet one of those poor decisions is going to cost the Cowboys a game. I believe it did last year.

BTW, did you see the QB throwing some love to the DC on that post game interview? Think Quinn might be winning over more than defensive players? He's always had that rep as a players' coach.

I do not want to lose him and McC? Yeah, I can get over him leaving quickly.

The dominoes falling are just to kismet to ignore. Hire McC, he hires Nolan, Quinn gets fired, Joneses fire Nolan, Joneses hire Quinn.........Joneses fire McC and promote Quinn?

I agree with BB........no way MM gets fired to hire save Kellen or Quinn from taking an HC position. Just me, but don't see Quinn going anywhere until 2022 min.

 

[TheGoat73]

Yet another mismanagement of the clock at the end of the half to go with last week at the end of the game and then there's last season. Anyone besides me wondering why none of those GB players seemed to be unhappy about McC getting canned? And he didn't get offers from other teams after 13 years as a HC?

But here is my uneasy feeling, the future. Kellen Moore and Dan Quinn are getting more light on them weekly and we know there will be 5-8 coaching changes this off season. One or worse, both of these coaches could be gone.

We know the owner/GM's criteria begins with his comfort level with a HC as he has admitted. A HC has to know his place in the organization and that is not in front of the GM when the cameras are rolling. McC knows that very well as his predecessor did.

Does the mistake of letting Sean Payton get away haunt the GM? Did he learn anything from that? It is always about the best HC for the future of the team.

I have seen enough in 3 games and an off season to form an opinion that Dan Quinn would be a better HC. This guy is all about making "next man up" more than a catch phrase. Are these backups great? No But do they play his concept of team defense? Yes. Definitely shades of that swarming D in 92/93 and I bet Johnson was smiling a lot at what he saw last night.

The story they told last night was that Quinn told the Joneses exactly what they had to do to "start" to fix the defense at all 3 levels. And they did just that. He didn't tell them players, just the types of players at the positions. With the exception of Parsons, who is at the top of the board with Quinn's influence and his recognition that Parsons could be his Bobby Wagner. Early on, he used Wagner a lot like he's using Parsons until he finally settled into that MLB role when they had the pieces around him.

Yes, it is early and yes, the team looks better than anticipated but it is just at these times crucial decisions about the future should be made. McC hired Nolan, the Joneses hired Quinn and then followed his advice about acquisitions in FA and the draft unlike I've ever seen with any new hire coach.

Maybe I am reading something into this but has he become The Mighty Quinn in their eyes and they do not want to let him get away? Could they do something out of character and fire a HC that takes them to the East crown in order to retain a better HC? I do not think paying him more gets him to stay, Quinn is on a quest.

Well, McC surely didn't do himself any favors at the end of the half and I see a lot of close games coming and I'd bet one of those poor decisions is going to cost the Cowboys a game. I believe it did last year.

BTW, did you see the QB throwing some love to the DC on that post game interview? Think Quinn might be winning over more than defensive players? He's always had that rep as a players' coach.

I do not want to lose him and McC? Yeah, I can get over him leaving quickly.

The dominoes falling are just to kismet to ignore. Hire McC, he hires Nolan, Quinn gets fired, Joneses fire Nolan, Joneses hire Quinn.........Joneses fire McC and promote Quinn?

When we were up by 20 halfway through the 3rd quarter and snapping plays with 17 seconds on the play clock, I was irritated.

Maybe I’m a fool and you don’t mess with your tempo in the 3rd quarter. But, it seemed like time was already against the Eagles.

I have no complaints about Moore’s play calling. We have a gem for an OC.

 

[CouchCoach]

Fits you to a "T".

Why do you think I chose that moniker? And Joe, you might as well give up, you can't insult me, I gave up children's games a long time ago.

 

[CouchCoach]

If fans here were on the sideline calling a game they would **** themselves. Just enjoy what you have no control over.

Fans are not coaches paid to do that job. I am sure if I stuck McC in my former job under stress, he'd struggle as well. The guy is not a good sideline HC.

 

[CATCH17]

Coordinators look great.

Clock management is really poor.

 

[CouchCoach]

I agree with BB........no way MM gets fired to hire save Kellen or Quinn from taking an HC position. Just me, but don't see Quinn going anywhere until 2022 min.

2022 is next season or do you mean the season after?

I dunno Hawk, you right the ship on one of the worst D's in the league in one season with a bunch of new talent and resurrecting a couple of others, and you get high on the list.

 

[Diehardblues]

Most likely we won’t end up with the better coordinators. Hopefully while they’re here will help us to the promise land or at least closer than we’ve been this era.

 

[Ranching]

Yet another mismanagement of the clock at the end of the half to go with last week at the end of the game and then there's last season. Anyone besides me wondering why none of those GB players seemed to be unhappy about McC getting canned? And he didn't get offers from other teams after 13 years as a HC?

But here is my uneasy feeling, the future. Kellen Moore and Dan Quinn are getting more light on them weekly and we know there will be 5-8 coaching changes this off season. One or worse, both of these coaches could be gone.

We know the owner/GM's criteria begins with his comfort level with a HC as he has admitted. A HC has to know his place in the organization and that is not in front of the GM when the cameras are rolling. McC knows that very well as his predecessor did.

Does the mistake of letting Sean Payton get away haunt the GM? Did he learn anything from that? It is always about the best HC for the future of the team.

I have seen enough in 3 games and an off season to form an opinion that Dan Quinn would be a better HC. This guy is all about making "next man up" more than a catch phrase. Are these backups great? No But do they play his concept of team defense? Yes. Definitely shades of that swarming D in 92/93 and I bet Johnson was smiling a lot at what he saw last night.

The story they told last night was that Quinn told the Joneses exactly what they had to do to "start" to fix the defense at all 3 levels. And they did just that. He didn't tell them players, just the types of players at the positions. With the exception of Parsons, who is at the top of the board with Quinn's influence and his recognition that Parsons could be his Bobby Wagner. Early on, he used Wagner a lot like he's using Parsons until he finally settled into that MLB role when they had the pieces around him.

Yes, it is early and yes, the team looks better than anticipated but it is just at these times crucial decisions about the future should be made. McC hired Nolan, the Joneses hired Quinn and then followed his advice about acquisitions in FA and the draft unlike I've ever seen with any new hire coach.

Maybe I am reading something into this but has he become The Mighty Quinn in their eyes and they do not want to let him get away? Could they do something out of character and fire a HC that takes them to the East crown in order to retain a better HC? I do not think paying him more gets him to stay, Quinn is on a quest.

Well, McC surely didn't do himself any favors at the end of the half and I see a lot of close games coming and I'd bet one of those poor decisions is going to cost the Cowboys a game. I believe it did last year.

BTW, did you see the QB throwing some love to the DC on that post game interview? Think Quinn might be winning over more than defensive players? He's always had that rep as a players' coach.

I do not want to lose him and McC? Yeah, I can get over him leaving quickly.

The dominoes falling are just to kismet to ignore. Hire McC, he hires Nolan, Quinn gets fired, Joneses fire Nolan, Joneses hire Quinn.........Joneses fire McC and promote Quinn?

I don't see it as mismanagement. If you've never been in that situation it's easy to cry, if you want click bait, it's easy to cry.
He had a choice, go for more points from deep in his territory with no blocking in the middle and not timeouts or let it run out and go in with a lead and a big mental advantage. He did the right thing, in my eyes.

 

[Diehardblues]

2022 is next season or do you mean the season after?

I dunno Hawk, you right the ship on one of the worst D's in the league in one season with a bunch of new talent and resurrecting a couple of others, and you get high on the list.

If we have a successful season can’t see us firing McC for Quinn.

Losing great coordinators is collateral damage all teams must endure.

If you want your proposal to happen need this season to end poorly.

 

[G2]

Fans are not coaches paid to do that job. I am sure if I stuck McC in my former job under stress, he'd struggle as well. The guy is not a good sideline HC.

You don't coach a team to success in the NFL unless you're a good coach. I'm not sure what people expect, but I do know that this team is vastly improved compared to the last HC.

 

[G2]

I don't see it as mismanagement. If you've never been in that situation it's easy to cry, if you want click bait, it's easy to cry.
He had a choice, go for more points from deep in his territory with no blocking in the middle and not timeouts or let it run out and go in with a lead and a big mental advantage. He did the right thing, in my eyes.

Not only that, but by not forcing it, you give Philly less favorable field position after the half.

 

[Hawkeye0202]

2022 is next season or do you mean the season after?

I dunno Hawk, you right the ship on one of the worst D's in the league in one season with a bunch of new talent and resurrecting a couple of others, and you get high on the list.

I'm saying after this season......guess you could be right but just don't see it, not after only a year removed from being fired.

 

[cityochamps]

The dominoes falling are just too kismet to ignore. Hire McC, he hires Nolan, Quinn gets fired, Joneses fire Nolan, Joneses hire Quinn.........Joneses fire McC and promote Quinn?


Wow, really?

 

[Doomsday101]

I don't agree with McCarthy decision to be content with 13 point lead. In the end that was his choice to make all I can say it would not have been my choice.

After Monday's game, McCarthy didn't make any excuses when he said he was content with their 13-point lead and didn't want to take any chances, so he elected to not use any of his timeouts.

Jerry Jones, NFL community react to Cowboys clock management (audacy.com)

 

[CouchCoach]

I'm saying after this season......guess you could be right but just don't see it, not after only a year removed from being fired.

That doesn't seem to matter in the NFL, most have been fired. Quinn told the Joneses enough of what they wanted to hear that they hired him and according to reports, followed his diagram for fixing the defense.

There is also that faction of people that believes hiring someone who has failed is better than hiring someone that's never done it. The Joneses did that with HC and DC.

Experience is the process of learning from our mistakes.