Uneasy feeling about coaching?

[CouchCoach]

The dominoes falling are just too kismet to ignore. Hire McC, he hires Nolan, Quinn gets fired, Joneses fire Nolan, Joneses hire Quinn.........Joneses fire McC and promote Quinn?


Wow, really?

Yeah, I can get carried away sometimes waxing poetic. I don't apologize for it because I will just do it again. It's not how I write, it is how I think and I write like I think; therefore, I am not a writer.

 

[cityochamps]

Yeah, I can get carried away sometimes waxing poetic. I don't apologize for it because I will just do it again. It's not how I write, it is how I think and I write like I think; therefore, I am not a writer.

I admit I was impressed by your use of the word "kismet", nicely done!

 

[MTCowboyFan]

Moore calls the offensive plays, Quinn calls the defense. McCarthy is supposed to be the game manager which he clearly sucks at.

Personally, I'd hate to lose either Moore or Quinn and I'd sure as hell promote either one of those guys instead of losing them and retaining McCarthy.

No doubt he has put a good staff together but I just haven't seen any evidence whatsoever that McCarthy is a huge asset in the coaching department.

Some of his decisions are very puzzling to me and I'm certainly no football genius.

There was zero reason to take those timeouts to halftime with you.

Stop the damn clock, get your offense the ball and run a few non-risky plays to see what happens. If no good yardage was gained to get in scoring position THEN take a knee and run the clock out.

It worked out in the end but you damn well better not be doing the *****-footing around against a good team with a good offense or it'll come back to haunt you.

 

[ConstantReboot]

Quinn definitely looks more like the next HC than Moore.

But the reality is they both are rehearsing for their next HC position. In Moore’s case it will be his first. And more success we have the more their phones are going to be ringing.

I’d suspect both would rather take that call than hang around.

The conundrum here is we thought one would be the next HC here in the event McCarthy was fired. But it’s not looking like he will be fired as it would be almost impossible to not make the playoffs in this division which appears to be even worse than most thought.

Why do you think they would rather be on a losing team and be a coach rather stay in Dallas and do what they do best?

 

[75boyz]

Moore calls the offensive plays, Quinn calls the defense. McCarthy is supposed to be the game manager which he clearly sucks at.

Personally, I'd hate to lose either Moore or Quinn and I'd sure as hell promote either one of those guys instead of losing them and retaining McCarthy.

No doubt he has put a good staff together but I just haven't seen any evidence whatsoever that McCarthy is a huge asset in the coaching department.

Some of his decisions are very puzzling to me and I'm certainly no football genius.

There was zero reason to take those timeouts to halftime with you.

Stop the damn clock, get your offense the ball and run a few non-risky plays to see what happens. If no good yardage was gained to get in scoring position THEN take a knee and run the clock out.

It worked out in the end but you damn well better not be doing the *****-footing around against a good team with a good offense or it'll come back to haunt you.

Nice post. Agree with all of it.

 

[CouchCoach]

Why do you think they would rather be on a losing team and be a coach rather stay in Dallas and do what they do best?

Why do any of these coordinators go for the gold? There are just a few, Monte Kiffin and Jim Johnson come to mind, that weren't interested in moving up the ladder because that's the name of their game. And for a lot of people, winning is in the bank account.

The beauty of it is they can get a HC gig for a hell of a lot more money and if that doesn't work out, go back to coordinating until the next opportunity comes up. Norv Turner and Wade Phillips made a career out of that. They got more walkaway money than the average person will earn in a lifetime for getting fired!

Really can't generalize why any of them do what they do. I was in Philly one time and the subject of Jim Johnson came up and the host knew him very well and said he never wanted a HC job because he didn't want to leave Philly and no new HC would let him walk. He had complete job security and loved the life he led in Philly. I heard Kiffin felt the same about Tampa Bay, didn't want to leave and he didn't sell his home.

 

[Coogiguy03]

This offense needs to work on HOT ROUTES!!!!

 

[Diehardblues]

Why do you think they would rather be on a losing team and be a coach rather stay in Dallas and do what they do best?

Because ultimately they want to be HC , build their own team and enjoy their own success along with the financial independence. That’s the driving force and natural progression. .

 

[blueblood70]

Yet another mismanagement of the clock at the end of the half to go with last week at the end of the game and then there's last season. Anyone besides me wondering why none of those GB players seemed to be unhappy about McC getting canned? And he didn't get offers from other teams after 13 years as a HC?

But here is my uneasy feeling, the future. Kellen Moore and Dan Quinn are getting more light on them weekly and we know there will be 5-8 coaching changes this off season. One or worse, both of these coaches could be gone.

We know the owner/GM's criteria begins with his comfort level with a HC as he has admitted. A HC has to know his place in the organization and that is not in front of the GM when the cameras are rolling. McC knows that very well as his predecessor did.

Does the mistake of letting Sean Payton get away haunt the GM? Did he learn anything from that? It is always about the best HC for the future of the team.

I have seen enough in 3 games and an off season to form an opinion that Dan Quinn would be a better HC. This guy is all about making "next man up" more than a catch phrase. Are these backups great? No But do they play his concept of team defense? Yes. Definitely shades of that swarming D in 92/93 and I bet Johnson was smiling a lot at what he saw last night.

The story they told last night was that Quinn told the Joneses exactly what they had to do to "start" to fix the defense at all 3 levels. And they did just that. He didn't tell them players, just the types of players at the positions. With the exception of Parsons, who is at the top of the board with Quinn's influence and his recognition that Parsons could be his Bobby Wagner. Early on, he used Wagner a lot like he's using Parsons until he finally settled into that MLB role when they had the pieces around him.

Yes, it is early and yes, the team looks better than anticipated but it is just at these times crucial decisions about the future should be made. McC hired Nolan, the Joneses hired Quinn and then followed his advice about acquisitions in FA and the draft unlike I've ever seen with any new hire coach.

Maybe I am reading something into this but has he become The Mighty Quinn in their eyes and they do not want to let him get away? Could they do something out of character and fire a HC that takes them to the East crown in order to retain a better HC? I do not think paying him more gets him to stay, Quinn is on a quest.

Well, McC surely didn't do himself any favors at the end of the half and I see a lot of close games coming and I'd bet one of those poor decisions is going to cost the Cowboys a game. I believe it did last year.

BTW, did you see the QB throwing some love to the DC on that post game interview? Think Quinn might be winning over more than defensive players? He's always had that rep as a players' coach.

I do not want to lose him and McC? Yeah, I can get over him leaving quickly.

The dominoes falling are just too kismet to ignore. Hire McC, he hires Nolan, Quinn gets fired, Joneses fire Nolan, Joneses hire Quinn.........Joneses fire McC and promote Quinn?

look what you call clock mismanagement isnt what MM feels is an issue..he knew what was going on and decided to not call the TOS..IT wasn't brain fart , whatever reasons he had, hes the HC and can do whatever he wants..

i get it most would call those 2 TOs...last night he was telling the ref NO NO NO NO TO..he knew exactly what he wanted and none of you and most of the media are SB winning HC its because you dont agree with him, doesn't make it a bad decision. Seriously, the egos on you people..

yes, i was also bewildered both moments but ill trust a lifer Hc for having his reasons last nights..he did exactly what he felt was the right move..

i like all the knowledgeable nfl minds we have please list all your credentials below ILL wait....

come on how about college Head coaching credentials? any??

HS Head coaches? i know one or two of you might but this dude been an NFL coach for 20plus years maybe longer stop questioning his decisions.

like i said, i get it most would have but that does not mean all coaches would have..

so calm down, back off, and lets let the full season unfold before all this bs change out MM narratives get out of control

 

[blueblood70]

let me be clear

I have zero concern about mm as of now......

moving on.

 

[ConstantReboot]

Why do any of these coordinators go for the gold? There are just a few, Monte Kiffin and Jim Johnson come to mind, that weren't interested in moving up the ladder because that's the name of their game. And for a lot of people, winning is in the bank account.

The beauty of it is they can get a HC gig for a hell of a lot more money and if that doesn't work out, go back to coordinating until the next opportunity comes up. Norv Turner and Wade Phillips made a career out of that. They got more walkaway money than the average person will earn in a lifetime for getting fired!

Really can't generalize why any of them do what they do. I was in Philly one time and the subject of Jim Johnson came up and the host knew him very well and said he never wanted a HC job because he didn't want to leave Philly and no new HC would let him walk. He had complete job security and loved the life he led in Philly. I heard Kiffin felt the same about Tampa Bay, didn't want to leave and he didn't sell his home.

Thus I think if he have to pay these coordinators twice or 3 times more than what their worth we should do it. There is no cap space for paying coaches. Thus Dallas should not be reluctant to break the bank on keeping them around doing what they love to do and get coaches pay.

This is why I think Jerry should cultivate that culture. Where its hard for these coordinators to walk due to getting paid big bucks and still do what they love to do.

 

[TheCoolFan]

McCarthy is underrated. Could his in-game management be better? Yes. But so far, we have to like what he's been doing throughout the week. He doesn't get enough credit for even getting them to 6 wins last year when they lost Dak, Tyron, La'el, Martin, and LVE to injuries last year. They should have maybe won 3-4 games tops in 2020.

We are seeing a culture change. It took some time to move on from the stench of the Garrett Era but slowly, we are starting to resemble a good football team that can withstand injuries.

Does that mean that McCarthy is good enough to get them further in the playoffs? That is still TBD. But as of now, we are in a better place than we were 2 years ago. When McCarthy was hired, we knew that he would have to be able to work with Jerry. That is the hardest part about this job and it's a turn-off for most coaching candidates. So far, if he can manage to mesh with the Joneses while still being able to field a good-looking football team going through some adversity with injuries and Covid, I'd say he's doing pretty good.

 

[JoeKing]

Why do you think I chose that moniker? And Joe, you might as well give up, you can't insult me, I gave up children's games a long time ago.

Since when is making an observation of someone's arrogance an insult? You are what you are and you own it. You think you know better.

 

[pitt33]

I think Quinn stays. He just had a 5 year stint as a HC and that didn’t end so well. As far as everyone touting boy wonder Moore, he is certainly proving his mettle but going from OC to head coach is a gamble. So many of these guys are better served in the coordinator role.

Jerry has some really good assistant coaches (sans Fassell) on staff. Coaching does make a difference.

We’re starting to see it.

 

[ConstantReboot]

Because ultimately they want to be HC , build their own team and enjoy their own success along with the financial independence. That’s the driving force and natural progression. .

Yes true. But maybe Kellen is not made out to be head coach just yet? Certainly he would take on more responsibility and more scrutiny than ever before.

Dan Quinn is also one of those guys who is better suited to be a coordinator. He totally failed as head coach.

Both I believe seem better adept at being coordinators at their jobs. They both have free reign on running the offense and the defense the way they seem fit.

This is the time for Jerry to open up his wallet and just pay these coordinators 2 to 3 times more than what they earn now. That way it makes it harder for them to leave for a coaching job.

 

[ConstantReboot]

Why do any of these coordinators go for the gold? There are just a few, Monte Kiffin and Jim Johnson come to mind, that weren't interested in moving up the ladder because that's the name of their game. And for a lot of people, winning is in the bank account.

The beauty of it is they can get a HC gig for a hell of a lot more money and if that doesn't work out, go back to coordinating until the next opportunity comes up. Norv Turner and Wade Phillips made a career out of that. They got more walkaway money than the average person will earn in a lifetime for getting fired!

Really can't generalize why any of them do what they do. I was in Philly one time and the subject of Jim Johnson came up and the host knew him very well and said he never wanted a HC job because he didn't want to leave Philly and no new HC would let him walk. He had complete job security and loved the life he led in Philly. I heard Kiffin felt the same about Tampa Bay, didn't want to leave and he didn't sell his home.

I just think that both Dan Quinn and Kellen Moore are better suited as coordinators rather than head coaches. Just my opinion.

Dan Quinn was a failure in Atlanta.

Kellen Moore has never coached before. He doesn't seem like he would want to based on his demeanor.

If Jerry opens up his wallet and pays these two head coaching money it will make it hard for them to leave to go somewhere else.

 

[CouchCoach]

look what you call clock mismanagement isnt what MM feels is an issue..he knew what was going on and decided to not call the TOS..IT wasn't brain fart , whatever reasons he had, hes the HC and can do whatever he wants..

i get it most would call those 2 TOs...last night he was telling the ref NO NO NO NO TO..he knew exactly what he wanted and none of you and most of the media are SB winning HC its because you dont agree with him, doesn't make it a bad decision. Seriously, the egos on you people..

yes, i was also bewildered both moments but ill trust a lifer Hc for having his reasons last nights..he did exactly what he felt was the right move..

i like all the knowledgeable nfl minds we have please list all your credentials below ILL wait....

come on how about college Head coaching credentials? any??

HS Head coaches? i know one or two of you might but this dude been an NFL coach for 20plus years maybe longer stop questioning his decisions.

like i said, i get it most would have but that does not mean all coaches would have..

so calm down, back off, and lets let the full season unfold before all this bs change out MM narratives get out of control

That's the best you can do? Credentials for NFL coaching?

I guess your assumption is that all people with those credentials are correct and all of those without them are incorrect?

Stop questioning his decision because he's been doing it for 20 years? How long has Booger been trying to GM?

 

[CouchCoach]

Since when is making an observation of someone's arrogance an insult? You are what you are and you own it. You think you know better.

I am going to study this comeback. If I can figure it out, I will get back to you.

 

[Clove]

So let me get this straight... We've put up with 10 years of the worst coaching in Cowboys history next to Dave Campo, and now we STILL have a problem with the new coach after ONE, (1) year? Our fans don't deserve success, we're always looking for the next best thing and end up with nothing.

How about, he just wanted to be conservative there? Is that okay or do all of you want to coach?

 

[Diehardblues]

Yes true. But maybe Kellen is not made out to be head coach just yet? Certainly he would take on more responsibility and more scrutiny than ever before.

Dan Quinn is also one of those guys who is better suited to be a coordinator. He totally failed as head coach.

Both I believe seem better adept at being coordinators at their jobs. They both have free reign on running the offense and the defense the way they seem fit.

This is the time for Jerry to open up his wallet and just pay these coordinators 2 to 3 times more than what they earn now. That way it makes it harder for them to leave for a coaching job.

Just wishful thinking.