Twitter: Fish: Should McGovern start over Biadasz?

[TwoCentPlain]

Think about this. How many times have we heard from posters here praising Odig, Gregory, Parsons, Golston, etc. for good penetration, TFL, or sack? Never do we hear the opposing OL who just got beat by a Cowboy was just trash and doesn’t belong as a starter in the NFL.

Sometimes the opposing player makes a really good play or is very good.

The interior OL for the Cowboys have played some good interior DL players. Those opponents are going to win some battles. I would say the Cowboy OL has been winning the war so far.

Biadasz has been really, really good at pulling and taking out his blocker. I mean his pulling has been textbook on a lot of plays. He takes his opponent out of the play completely.

 

[America's Cowboy]

Cowboys already have Biadasz's replacement on the team: #68 Matt Farniok.

Farniok played very well the whole last preseason game this summer vs the Jaguars. Remember, the Jaguars played their starters the whole 1st Half and into the 3rd Quarter. Pay attention to Farniok, his snaps, his run blocking both at the line and 5+ yards deep into the LBs and DBs, his aggressiveness, his pass protection, his athleticism and his ability to make the right reads.



Farniok also played late in other preseason games:

Farniok played Center the whole 2nd Half vs the Texans. He looked pretty good:



Watch how Biadasz started at Center during that game, and notice how bad in pass protection he played. From the very 1st pass play, Biadasz is standing straight up and backpeddaling, thus why he gets bulldozed 7+ yards straight into our QB. Terrible pass protection technique which we still see him doing today weeks later.

Connor Williams started at Center during the whole 2nd Quarter and did much better in pass protection than Biadasz, but we've all seen Connor’s problem is with his shotgun snapping.

Matt Farniok played the whole 2nd Half and did very well with both his run blocking and pass protection. Plus, he snaps the ball very well.

Why isn't Farniok being given a chance to start at Center??? It's the same stubbornness these coaches have had for these first 5 games for why they refused to start or even play Jabril Cox at LB!?!? And people question why some of us have the audacity to question these "pro" coaches? Pfft!

 

[blueblood70]

so has the media and fans have seen ConnerM snapping and playing center to point hes better then Biadsz and not larger liability? i believe the coaches have used CW CM all off season and at practice and more recently been trying to get CNM up to sped at C in practice.

so somehow hes been so special in practice, hes still not in a real game?

that means HE IS NOT READY,

I imagine any real changes are going to be made at the BYE, plenty of changes coming, decisions on Collins back over stele, Wilson worked in with kearse, Gallup back, will KJ get some opportunity's/Coaches are going to be as busy as they ever have been at the bye deciding how to shuffle a streaking team on a roll with upsetting the flow..

we have discussed this in nauseum..if there were better option they would already be playing, if TB was truly a lability he would be pulled already..

hes the weak link on an above average OL yes but playing so horribly he would be replaced by player not YET ready..NO

 

[McKDaddy]

The A gap between Williams and Biadasz is super weak. I’m for whatever cleans that up

This is the problem. Neither player is outright bad (ala Chaz Green) but both have issues with power. TB also seems to be struggling a little with snap placement as he is probably rushing the snap in an effort to get set quicker.

Bottom line is that other teams know where to attack when they need to affect the offense. As others have said, it's too early to give up on TB but at the same time it's the easiest solution in the short term. So, it's a little bit of darned if you do and darned if you don't.

 

[USArmyVet]

Think about this. How many times have we heard from posters here praising Odig, Gregory, Parsons, Golston, etc. for good penetration, TFL, or sack? Never do we hear the opposing OL who just got beat by a Cowboy was just trash and doesn’t belong as a starter in the NFL.

Sometimes the opposing player makes a really good play or is very good.

The interior OL for the Cowboys have played some good interior DL players. Those opponents are going to win some battles. I would say the Cowboy OL has been winning the war so far.

Biadasz has been really, really good at pulling and taking out his blocker. I mean his pulling has been textbook on a lot of plays. He takes his opponent out of the play completely.

What is strange is not a word has been said in this group about the OL, especially Biadasz, until the events of last game where Dak dropped a waist high shotgun snap resulting in a turnover.

Both Smith and Martin have been healthy and playing at a high level, Steele has played exceptionally well in Collins' absence (to the point some want him to stay in the line-up even after Collins returns), Williams has been as he always has been, McGovern hasn't been involved much, and Biadasz is playing fairly well seeing as how he has only started 9 games.

Clearly the OL is playing well resulting in the running and passing games putting out top tier results.

 

[quickccc]

I admit to having NO Clue how good or bad this kid is playing. Guess few questions comes to mine

• Is he a liability and what I mean is he actually hurting the team to the point there's no reason to believe he will improve?
• Is his issue(s) correctable?
• Are you willing to burn a high draft 2022 draft pick as replacement?

I'm a firm believer that you do not draft a position (center) for the sake of drafting one.

You make sure he is being considered a high pick because he is worth so in according to your board.
That's what gets you reaching for just decent product over much higher regarded prospects that could do more for your offense or defense.

Cowboys did not draft Travis Fredrick in 1st round just because they needed a center, they drafted him because as a pure prospect he
was just that highly regarded. Blue-Chip/ All pro regarded. And he became to be until his illness retirement.

 

[Aven8]

His snaps this past week were a bit off.....he's probably starting to think too much. I would not be surprised if Belichick goes after him this week. It could be his make or break game, with the bye coming up it would be a good week to make a change if needed

His snaps were way off and I was screaming Andre Gurode 2.0! It was effecting the whole offense. Having said that I think he was too worried about Leonard Williams.

 

[quickccc]

This is the problem. Neither player is outright bad (ala Chaz Green) but both have issues with power. TB also seems to be struggling a little with snap placement as he is probably rushing the snap in an effort to get set quicker.

Bottom line is that other teams know where to attack when they need to affect the offense. As others have said, it's too early to give up on TB but at the same time it's the easiest solution in the short term. So, it's a little bit of darned if you do and darned if you don't.

Odd how the bad snaps had not been brought up this obvious until the Giants game.
The too high, too left snaps (an issue Williams had too) could distract and throw off the QB too much, too often.

On the plus side, neither Tyler nor Williams' lack of play strength have been negative factors in the run game and we're currently the 2nd highest scoring team in the NFL.

i believe we are going to continue Tyler as he has an understanding of the center position than a McGovern or Williams. i think it will only be a replacement if there's an injury to Tyler.

 

[Cydios]

NO! That's McGovern......

That's who I was pertaining to. "Should McGovern start over Biadasz?" I wouldn't move him, if he's having success as a FB. Biadasz may be the weakest link on the line, but he's still better than most in the league.

 

[JoeyBoy718]

Who are the best 5 OL?

Martin: Yes.

Smith: Yes.

Steele: Maybe. Does he go back to the bench when Collins comes back?

Collins: Yes. Does he put Steele on the bench or move to LG?

Williams: Maybe. Does he stay at LG, move to C or go to the bench?

McGovern: Maybe. Does he stay on the bench, move to LG or take over C?

Biadasz: Maybe. Can anyone supplant him at C?

At the end of the day, we have 4 guys fighting over 2 spots.

 

[quickccc]

What is strange is not a word has been said in this group about the OL, especially Biadasz, until the events of last game where Dak dropped a waist high shotgun snap resulting in a turnover.

Both Smith and Martin have been healthy and playing at a high level, Steele has played exceptionally well in Collins' absence (to the point some want him to stay in the line-up even after Collins returns), Williams has been as he always has been, McGovern hasn't been involved much, and Biadasz is playing fairly well seeing as how he has only started 9 games.

Clearly the OL is playing well resulting in the running and passing games putting out top tier results.

i thought the fumbled shotgun snap at the 7 yd line, was on Dak who took his eye off the ball while it was being snapped.

 

[USArmyVet]

That's who I was pertaining to. "Should McGovern start over Biadasz?" I wouldn't move him, if he's having success as a FB. Biadasz may be the weakest link on the line, but he's still better than most in the league.

Games started by Dallas OL in career:

Smith 138
Williams 42
Biadasz 9
Martin 108
Steele (Collins out) 18

It would be expected that Biadasz in his limited starts has room to grow but he hasn't played poorly and the overall groups performance is a testament to the Dallas offense success so far.

 

[Cydios]

Games started by Dallas OL in career:

Smith 138
Williams 42
Biadasz 9
Martin 108
Steele (Collins out) 18

It would be expected that Biadasz in his limited starts has room to grow but he hasn't played poorly and the overall groups performance is a testament to the Dallas offense success so far.

I 100% agree... I wonder if Steele has center experience when La'el returns. Either way you look at it, to my surprise the oline is probably if not the best in the top 3 of the NFL. I honestly thought going into the year, this would be our weakness with a hurt Dak. I'm SOOO glad that it's almost the opposite. Teams right now are trying to figure us out. I like the Dallas mixes it up. If there's a weakness, we're hiding it well. I still think defensively, we're weak vs the Run and believe it or not weak against the pass. If you take away the interceptions, we're allowing too many yards. Still work, but that's for another discussion.

 

[jrumann59]

i thought the fumbled shotgun snap at the 7 yd line, was on Dak who took his eye off the ball while it was being snapped.

To some that is impossible. All centers will send a snap higher/lower than expected. TB is not air mailing them like Gurode did early on. All his snaps are pretty much from the waist to the shoulders.

 

[Cydios]

To some that is impossible. All centers will send a snap higher/lower than expected. TB is not air mailing them like Gurode did early on. All his snaps are pretty much from the waist to the shoulders.

This is true, some of this is on Dak too. The fumble he made was not seeing the ball. He can't do this vs a strong defense.

 

[Cowboyny]

I admit to having NO Clue how good or bad this kid is playing. Guess few questions comes to mine

• Is he a liability and what I mean is he actually hurting the team to the point there's no reason to believe he will improve?
• Is his issue(s) correctable?
• Are you willing to burn a high draft 2022 draft pick as replacement?

Been saying this for weeks, it's something to watch as the season progresses. Biad has been good as a run defender, but has struggled somewhat in pass protection. Last week, we saw a few bad snaps to the QB. Not saying we need to draft a new starter, but Biad has to play better or he will be replaced.

 

[USArmyVet]

I 100% agree... I wonder if Steele has center experience when La'el returns. Either way you look at it, to my surprise the oline is probably if not the best in the top 3 of the NFL. I honestly thought going into the year, this would be our weakness with a hurt Dak. I'm SOOO glad that it's almost the opposite. Teams right now are trying to figure us out. I like the Dallas mixes it up. If there's a weakness, we're hiding it well. I still think defensively, we're weak vs the Run and believe it or not weak against the pass. If you take away the interceptions, we're allowing too many yards. Still work, but that's for another discussion.

Given the way Steele is playing, I personally would keep him there and if anything look to have Collins shift to LG which is the position he originally played for Dallas.

 

[conner01]

People have the generally tendency to not want to do anything different when the going is good (i.e., the team winning). That said, Biadasz has clearly had some struggles, if the team thinks they can improve by putting McGovern in, so be it.

Biadasz is still effectively a rookie (~10 NFL games now?), so there’s still room for growth. That said, he also may be limited in terms of ceiling.

If you don’t let players develop you never get to see what they are capable of
People wanted Steele cut and make him walk home last year, not they want to trade Collins and make him the starter

 

[Cydios]

Given the way Steele is playing, I personally would keep him there and if anything look to have Collins shift to LG which is the position he originally played for Dallas.

Excellent point. Bring out the leg brace for his arm lol

 

[Loso86]

At this point no but if he keeps getting driven back into Dak then yes, he needs to be sat until we figure something out.

I've been saying this for weeks in here man