Bill blew it by punting in overtime

[elcowboi]

The Patriots averaged 10.9 yards per pass attempt today (this stat excludes sacks)
The Patriots averaged 4.4 yards per rush attempt

So what did Belichick do in overtime needing just 3 yards with the Pats at their own 46?

He did what other traditional dinosaur coaches do: punted. Surrendered the ball for 34 yards of field, which wasn't likely to matter to the Cowboys offense, which gobbled up 567 yards on the day.

The sport is getting smarter. People like Bill...are not.

Good for him.

 

[droopdog7]

Buffalo coach just went for it and looks like a jacka**

 

[Blackspider214]

Buffalo coach just went for it and looks like a jacka**

Playing for OT when you need an inch inside the 5yd line is for losers. If you can't get an inch, you deserve to lose. Especially with a QB like Allen.

 

[droopdog7]

Playing for OT when you need an inch inside the 5yd line is for losers. If you can't get an inch, you deserve to lose. Especially with a QB like Allen.

Okay macho man savage. Sometimes you just got to not be an idiot.

 

[ConstantReboot]

The Patriots averaged 10.9 yards per pass attempt today (this stat excludes sacks)
The Patriots averaged 4.4 yards per rush attempt

So what did Belichick do in overtime needing just 3 yards with the Pats at their own 46?

He did what other traditional dinosaur coaches do: punted. Surrendered the ball for 34 yards of field, which wasn't likely to matter to the Cowboys offense, which gobbled up 567 yards on the day.

The sport is getting smarter. People like Bill...are not.

He should have followed analytics. Analytics said you need to go for it.

Because Bill pulled a Garrett. I'm so glad we don't have a Garrett coaching our team.

 

[ConstantReboot]

Reid, McVay, Staley, Arians and others would have gone for it there.

I'm sure Mike McCarthy would have gone for it as well.

 

[coult44]

It was the right call to punt. I don’t care what the stats say. You don’t go for it there.

How old are you? Honest question. Research reasons.

 

[T-RO]

I'm sure Mike McCarthy would have gone for it as well.

Probably so. He does a few things right.

 

[T-RO]

Buffalo coach just went for it and looks like a jacka**

Fans are gonna hate on a coach whenever things fail. And in football you can't escape failing sometimes. You will fail less following the data.

But all the good analytics folks know you factor in things like weather, match-ups, score, game time, home field, etc.

Casual fans are prisoners of the moment. If Allen makes it -- which he probably does 60% there -- no one even remembers the play, and it's considered, "well of course they went for it."

 

[BrassCowboy]

For thirty years the analytics have been saying "Go for it" in many game situations that old school types would be shocked at. Some coaches are finally catching on...and for the most part they are the coaches that are winning. (Reid, Arians, Staley, Stefanski, etc)

You can mindlessly "LOL" it like a Neanderthal or you can learn something.

https://sports.yahoo.com/nfl-teams-...ver-but-still-not-often-enough-163650973.html
https://www.nfl.com/news/introducin...sion-guide-a-new-analytics-tool-for-fourth-do
https://www.nfl.com/videos/next-gen-stats-how-4th-down-decisions-have-shaped-the-2020-playoffs

Again I lol. Always loved you type of people who can only throw insult because your ego has been nicked a little. You need to lighten up a little. Don't take life so seriously, especially a game where the end result means absolutely nothing in the end.

You can throw around some programmed algorithm of theoretical, and I will still say ahhh I will stick with human opinion as long as it is one you believe in. I am good.

Prime example is the obvious blunders of MMs decisions to go for it early, don't care what artificial "intelligence" you can conjure up, it was dumb and it showed.

Just my opinion, thanks for sharing yours.

 

[T-RO]

Again I lol. Always loved you type of people who can only throw insult because your ego has been nicked a little. You need to lighten up a little. Don't take life so seriously, especially a game where the end result means absolutely nothing in the end.

You can throw around some programmed algorithm of theoretical, and I will still say ahhh I will stick with human opinion as long as it is one you believe in. I am good.

Prime example is the obvious blunders of MMs decisions to go for it early, don't care what artificial "intelligence" you can conjure up, it was dumb and it showed.

Just my opinion, thanks for sharing yours.

I shared the links...didn't expect you to show an ounce of interest in exploring new ideas. And you didn't.

I value the opinions of people who are open to learning new things and challenging themselves a little.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Of course you can, and teams do. The "right way" is the way that maximizes your chances of winning.

What's your reasoning?

Well, it is obvious that going for it on 4th and 3 at your own 46 is not a sure fire way to win.

The only argument that I have seen for going for it is that it was "relieving when they came out to punt." That is prima facie nonsense.

The reality is that there is a lot of uncertainty and personally I am comfortable with assuming that Bill Belichick has a better idea of "the way the game was going" than a bunch of message board romantics.

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

Playing for OT when you need an inch inside the 5yd line is for losers. If you can't get an inch, you deserve to lose. Especially with a QB like Allen.

there are times to risk it. there are times to be smart....that wasn't very smart of Mcdermott...tie the game. go to over time.

 

[T-RO]

Well, it is obvious that going for it on 4th and 3 at your own 46 is not a sure fire way to win.

The only argument that I have seen for going for it is that it was "relieving when they came out to punt." That is prima facie nonsense.

The reality is that there is a lot of uncertainty and personally I am comfortable with assuming that Bill Belichick has a better idea of "the way the game was going" than a bunch of message board romantics.

Welcome to the thready fuzzy. I always appreciate a man with a vocabulary, who can turn a phrase. And you best be ready: I'll spin a few on you come tomorrow. Best get your helmet on.

(my tomorrow is your afternoon)

 

[cowboyed]

Have you forgotten how many times we've already converted 4th down in "risky" situations this year?

No risk it, no biscuit. Bill goes to bed hungry.

You can make a case for it, one way or the other. It did surprise me a little, though.

 

[cowboyed]

He should have followed analytics. Analytics said you need to go for it.

Because Bill pulled a Garrett. I'm so glad we don't have a Garrett coaching our team.

I guess your last words when you pass will be "I am glad Garrett won't be one of the pall bearers at my funeral".

 

[movaughn88]

there are times to risk it. there are times to be smart....that wasn't very smart of Mcdermott...tie the game. go to over time.

I think it boils down to this: if your opponent has a top 10 QB and only needs to drive to kick a FG to WIN, then you go for a reasonable fourth down. If they need a FG to TIE, then punting is a decent choice.

The way the league is structured, it is very difficult with a gassed secondary at the end of games to stop top offenses.

For example: I think we should have gone for 4th and 6 rather than punt to Brady to allow him to drive 40 yards for a win. Same with Bill in OT punting to Dak on a more reasonable 4th and 3.

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

I think it boils down to this: if your opponent has a top 10 QB and only needs to drive to kick a FG to WIN, then you go for a reasonable fourth down. If they need a FG to TIE, then punting is a decent choice.

The way the league is structured, it is very difficult with a gassed secondary at the end of games to stop top offenses.

For example: I think we should have gone for 4th and 6 rather than punt to Brady to allow him to drive 40 yards for a win. Same with Bill in OT punting to Dak on a more reasonable 4th and 3.

I agree. this was even worse. they were on the 5, kick a field goal and go to over time....they went for it and it failed.....the question is can you afford an L even if there is a 10% chance of not making the yard......the cost is too much. it puts them behind in the conference for home field despite many games left......

 

[droopdog7]

Fans are gonna hate on a coach whenever things fail. And in football you can't escape failing sometimes. You will fail less following the data.

But all the good analytics folks know you factor in things like weather, match-ups, score, game time, home field, etc.

Casual fans are prisoners of the moment. If Allen makes it -- which he probably does 60% there -- no one even remembers the play, and it's considered, "well of course they went for it."

What is this data you keep talking about? The fact that they make it (supposedly) 60% of the time? That’s your data? Because if that’s it, it’s woefully incomplete. I mean, woefully incomplete.

And yes, you indeed are the fan that’s reacting to something that didn’t work. The pats punted and lost and you’re the casual fan (which i guess means we’re not as smart as you) that’s reacting with made up data.

 

[jazzcat22]

How old are you? Honest question. Research reasons.

It is not how old I am, it is how wise I am. Which is apparently much wiser than you and others.
Especially when you have post as you did.