How many players away from a legit championship level D?

[ultron]

Im so glad Dallas avoided that mistake. They tried to get Adams and what a huge setback for our team that would’ve been.

Im not sure what draft it was but I think Adams would’ve cost us Lamb.

Check this out:

“The Jets traded the disgruntled star defensive back and a 2022 fourth round-pick to the Seattle Seahawks in exchange for safety Bradley McDougald, a first-round and third-round pick in 2021, and a 2022 first-round pick”

So he would’ve cost us CeeDee Lamb AND Micah Parsons!!! Holy crap can you imagine. Bullet definitely dodged with that decision! Sometimes it’s the trades that you don’t make!

 

[Cowboyny]

If the question is "What they need for a dominant defense", then:

Retain Dan Quinn.

• Add 1 more Super Star player at any position:
  • Add DT Chris Jones to this defense and it would be dominant.
  • Add prime years Earl Thomas to this defense and it would be dominant.
  • Add prime years DWare or Von Miller to this defense and it would be dominant.

• Assuming that getting a Super Star in 2022 is unlikely, then:
  • Add Borderline Pro Bowl FS. Could be a draft pick or FA.
    • Can Wilson become that player?
    • Is Anthony Brown an option at FS (10x better tackler than Kazee, Fast).
  • Add Borderline Pro Bowl DT. Could be a draft pick or FA.
    • It is possible that Hill and Odighi become Pro Bowl type players.
  • Retain Gregory.
  • Retain Kearse.
  • Retain or replace Vander Esch (He is playing better than fans believe).
    • Maybe that is Jabril C. but they need another near-starter caliber player for depth.

Note:
- They don't need more CBs for 2022.
- There is good probability that Joseph is an upgrade over Brown.
- All 3 starters are under contract for 2022 (Diggs, Brown, Lewis).
- Nahshon Wright appears to at least be a good depth player.

Yes, the discussion should be more about building a dominant defense then a championship level one. I agree, we have enough corners and should be covered at the 3t. My hope is to land one more star and better role players to a few spots, LB/FS/DT.

 

[Cowboyny]

Vander Esch has been playing better each week but Neal has struggled in run defense.

Kazee and Malik Hooker have had far too many whiffs on tackling attempts.

Quinn's front 7 defensive scheme with frequent stunts will get gashed on occasion if the offense runs the right play at the right time.

We got rid of one of the worst tacklers in Xavier Woods and replaced him with one who is worse in Kazee. I rather have Wilson playing even with less range against the pass as he can at least tackle well.

Think the team is going to sign a vet LB and also use a high pick on another one. I know Quinn prefers speed/range over size, I wonder if they could be interested in that undersized LB from Georgia

 

[Cowboyny]

Not far to be honest. This is assuming that Cox can be the guy to play alongside Parsons at LB.

We need a REAL corner to replace Brown and then either a DT or stud FS.

Think Cox is more of a nickel, cover player then being good against the run. There is a need for another 2 down run linebacker

 

[CowboyRoy]

Think Cox is more of a nickel, cover player then being good against the run. There is a need for another 2 down run linebacker

Definitely. If Cox cant be that.

 

[JBS]

Pollard has physical gifts if you haven’t noticed. Calling him a system player is silly.

I don’t care about his pass pro either. You guys make too much of that. Like having a runner that isn’t effective is worth not playing a guy who can take it to the house.

Zeke can still have that role as well or Dallas can go sign some fullback or RB off are street who specializes in it and not pay 15 million a year lol.

What do you mean my take on Dak never materialized? He’s exactly what I have said he is lol.

He’s a good solid system Quarterback is all and not worth 40 million a year. He can be elite when everyone around him is carrying him. He’s not a carry the team type of player. How is that not obvious after 5 years now of him needing so much help in order to be decent?

pass pro doesn’t matter? This isn’t 1985.. you pass the ball upwards of 60%+ of the time. It absolutely matters

 

[JBS]

Also, the defense has been pretty good all year and after the Vikings game and hold the Chiefs under 20 at their house I can’t believe the defense still gets questioned.

Our defense has been a strength all season and it would look even better if our offense would start converting 3rd downs and scoring more points.


It’s like our offense can hang our defense out to dry and when they do you guys want to blame the defense even when part of their problem is our offense keeping them on the field.

the defense has had just as many stinkers as the offense. Tap the brakes. I’m a fan of the defense. They’re good. They have a chance to be damn good.

 

[JBS]

Pollard has physical gifts if you haven’t noticed. Calling him a system player is silly.

I don’t care about his pass pro either. You guys make too much of that. Like having a runner that isn’t effective is worth not playing a guy who can take it to the house.

Zeke can still have that role as well or Dallas can go sign some fullback or RB off are street who specializes in it and not pay 15 million a year lol.

What do you mean my take on Dak never materialized? He’s exactly what I have said he is lol.

He’s a good solid system Quarterback is all and not worth 40 million a year. He can be elite when everyone around him is carrying him. He’s not a carry the team type of player. How is that not obvious after 5 years now of him needing so much help in order to be decent?

because you are mistaken. Dak needs cooper. That’s it. He doesn’t need everything else you claim he needs. Dak is an on time , in rhythm passer. Cooper fits that to a T. The other 2 receivers do not. Cooper opens the offense up for everybody else. All this other mumbo jumbo you spew isn’t true. And no, pollard doesn’t have all these skills you claim he has. He’s had plenty of games where he gets tons of carries and he doesn’t do anything w it. He has plenty to offer to this offense, more than what we are getting out of him, but he isn’t this elite rb you think he is

 

[CATCH17]

pass pro doesn’t matter? This isn’t 1985.. you pass the ball upwards of 60%+ of the time. It absolutely matters

Never said it doesn’t matter. In fact I think Pollard is decent at it. Of course he isn’t Zeke but he’ll do the job as well as any average starting back.

I’m not keeping a more explosive player on the bench and paying a guy 15 million a year so he can pick up a blitz 4 or 5 times a game lol.

This is just silly nonsense.

Not a single block Zeke has had over the past month has been as valuable as Pollards 1 run against New Orleans.

 

[CATCH17]

because you are mistaken. Dak needs cooper. That’s it. He doesn’t need everything else you claim he needs. Dak is an on time , in rhythm passer. Cooper fits that to a T. The other 2 receivers do not. Cooper opens the offense up for everybody else. All this other mumbo jumbo you spew isn’t true. And no, pollard doesn’t have all these skills you claim he has. He’s had plenty of games where he gets tons of carries and he doesn’t do anything w it. He has plenty to offer to this offense, more than what we are getting out of him, but he isn’t this elite rb you think he is

Dak isn’t an on time thrower. He’s a see the guy open and then release thrower. To your point Cooper of course helps with that.

 

[JBS]

Never said it doesn’t matter. In fact I think Pollard is decent at it. Of course he isn’t Zeke but he’ll do the job as well as any average starting back.

I’m not keeping a more explosive player on the bench and paying a guy 15 million a year so he can pick up a blitz 4 or 5 times a game lol.

This is just silly nonsense.

Not a single block Zeke has had over the past month has been as valuable as Pollards 1 run against New Orleans.

So why do the coaches not play him more? They’re just stupid?

 

[CATCH17]

So why do the coaches not play him more? They’re just stupid?

Yes. Contract and team status play a large role.

Dallas is clearly not going off anything performance based.

 

[JBS]

Dak isn’t an on time thrower. He’s a see the guy open and then release thrower. To your point Cooper of course helps with that.

lies. Multiple dimes on time on slants vs New Orleans. Some in incredibly tight windows. See guy open , throw ball is not what Dak is. Those plays would be breaking down every play and Dak would be out of the pocket. That is not daks game at all.

 

[JBS]

Dak isn’t an on time thrower. He’s a see the guy open and then release thrower. To your point Cooper of course helps with that.

Once cooper gets back to a full workload this offense will get back in gear. You watch.

 

[Cowboyny]

Definitely. If Cox cant be that.

Find a 3 down backer who can play all the LB spots, so the team can use Parsons all over the field.

 

[CowboyRoy]

Find a 3 down backer who can play all the LB spots, so the team can use Parsons all over the field.

Yah, they need another LB so they also feature the 3-4 with Parsons lining up rushing from the outside at times.

 

[Cowboyny]

Yah, they need another LB so they also feature the 3-4 with Parsons lining up rushing from the outside at times.

Parsons will still see plenty of snaps on the Edge, what we need is a backer who can play the mike in those situations that's better then Lve.

 

[JBond]

Let's assume, Dan Quinn doesn't leave for another HC position. What is still needed to transform this defense into championship level?

Although the scheme has changed, let's go look back at the legion of boom personnel in Seattle where Quinn was their DC:

DE-Avril, Bennett (Gregory, DLaw if both are back are comparable, think DLaw can kick inside as well)
DT-McDaniel, Mebane (more space eater run players then pass rushers, Osa fits, need for another one)

LB-Wagner, Wright, Smith (1 superstar, 1 good linebacker who can play all the spots, need that 2nd LB)

CB-Sherman, Maxwell (We have Diggs who is a ballhawk like Sherman, jury is out if we have our other starting corner on the roster, keep in mind we are more of a man press scheme now)

S-Earl Thomas, Chancellor (I believe Kearse is a similar player to Cam, can do it all inside the box, yes, we need a legit FS and doesn't have to be as good as Earl.

Based this comparison, summary of what I believe is needed to make this D into championship level:

-Need to resign both Gregory and Kearse. Figure out how to also retain DLaw.
-Find another quality space eater for the interior of the DL
-Draft a quality LB who can play next to Parsons, but also has the ability to multiple LB positions
-Need another star DB and a quality role player, doesn't matter which position

2 key pieces at LB/DB and a few good role players

If healthy, I believe we have the necessary pieces. Love to have a more dynamic FS, but can see this thing coming together at the right time as is.

 

[quickccc]

Let's assume, Dan Quinn doesn't leave for another HC position. What is still needed to transform this defense into championship level?

Although the scheme has changed, let's go look back at the legion of boom personnel in Seattle where Quinn was their DC:

DE-Avril, Bennett (Gregory, DLaw if both are back are comparable, think DLaw can kick inside as well)
DT-McDaniel, Mebane (more space eater run players then pass rushers, Osa fits, need for another one)

LB-Wagner, Wright, Smith (1 superstar, 1 good linebacker who can play all the spots, need that 2nd LB)

CB-Sherman, Maxwell (We have Diggs who is a ballhawk like Sherman, jury is out if we have our other starting corner on the roster, keep in mind we are more of a man press scheme now)

S-Earl Thomas, Chancellor (I believe Kearse is a similar player to Cam, can do it all inside the box, yes, we need a legit FS and doesn't have to be as good as Earl.

Based this comparison, summary of what I believe is needed to make this D into championship level:

-Need to resign both Gregory and Kearse. Figure out how to also retain DLaw.
-Find another quality space eater for the interior of the DL
-Draft a quality LB who can play next to Parsons, but also has the ability to multiple LB positions
-Need another star DB and a quality role player, doesn't matter which position

2 key pieces at LB/DB and a few good role players

- Where's our Chris Jones in the middle interior ?

- where's our Tyranny Matheiu or Justin Simmons in the middle safety role ?

- where's our supporting LBs and difference makers, aside from Parsons ? LVE and Neal is not happenin' .. dunno about Cox who got very little playing time per rookie
and we'll still have to see if he recovers from ACL injury

- the better QBs and teams will target Anthony Brown , who should be more of a slot CB than starting outside CB

- Gregory represents promising and potential but he has yet to put it altogether as a full time player
suspension, injury or inconsistency has always derailed him.

- we don't have an imposing difference making 1 tech run stuffer ,,Watkins is a reserve on most teams, i'm not impressed with rookie Bohanna at this point.
as far as 3 tech, we'll have to see what comes of Gallimore, Hill and Osa, .. we need to develop quality reserve 3rd and 4th DEs

 

[quickccc]

Parsons will still see plenty of snaps on the Edge, what we need is a backer who can play the mike in those situations that's better then Lve.

- we wanna see Quinn or his predecessor continue to utilize Parsons as he is, .. the way we are moving Michah and coming from each side, every angle off edge or up the middle vs RBs,
teams have a difficult time scheming and accounting for him , .. makes it hard to counter and game plan for him.

- Then think if Gregory is able to develop and make his own presents felt. ..?

- Dlaw concerns me with his injury trending history, and games where he cannot take over and be war daddy he's being paid to be so.
but i'll take the 3rd option he brings as opposed to him being out for the season. ..