It’s Obvious we need more power at LG vs Big Defensive Fronts

[817Gill]

I don't know. He may just get tired of there being health issues for him every year. He probably thought getting the back/neck problem fixed would allow him to play healthy, but it hasn't. The sprain is possibly a high ankle sprain. He's been dealing with bone spurs, etc. At some point, you decide that it's not worth it. Don't know if he's at that point, though, as many players don't hang it up until their bodies completely fall off the cliff. Smith's abilities clearly are not at that point yet.

Yeah I get that, but before the season he was kinda offended that people even offered that up. He reiterated that he intends to play until he literally can no longer do it. Here’s his quote, doesn’t sound like a guy tired of minor injuries lol:

 

[gimmesix]

Yeah I get that, but before the season he was kinda offended that people even offered that up. He reiterated that he intends to play until he literally can no longer do it. Here’s his quote, doesn’t sound like a guy tired of minor injuries lol:

Forgot about that. You're probably right. It might take the team giving up on him for him to call it quits, although he might be like Emmitt and try to continue his career elsewhere. At his level of play (although it wasn't as good as it had been against Washington), I'm in no hurry to kick him to the curve even though we've got to figure out what to do when the wheels do fall off. I do think Collins at LT and Steele at RT might be viable as a long-term solution.

I'm not opposed to drafting an LT early to be his eventual replacement, but I do think Collins at LT and Steele at RT might be viable as a long-term solution and would rather use that early pick on a position of greater need. That's if we don't move Collins to LG.

 

[817Gill]

Forgot about that. You're probably right. It might take the team giving up on him for him to call it quits, although he might be like Emmitt and try to continue his career elsewhere. At his level of play (although it wasn't as good as it had been against Washington), I'm in no hurry to kick him to the curve even though we've got to figure out what to do when the wheels do fall off. I do think Collins at LT and Steele at RT might be viable as a long-term solution.

I'm not opposed to drafting an LT early to be his eventual replacement, but I do think Collins at LT and Steele at RT might be viable as a long-term solution and would rather use that early pick on a position of greater need. That's if we don't move Collins to LG.

Exactly, I think I ideally drafting a LG with the plan for him to eventually kick out to T would be perfect. Haven’t looked at the draft options coming up but I’m hoping someone in round 2-3 has that ability. Although the team has had an up close and personal look at Josh Ball. If he’s what his tape says he could be then we’ve already got our guy.

Would love to have one more defensively focused draft especially if we lose a lot of those FA’s. Probably a WR and OL in there as well.

 

[exciter]

After watching the Washington game I am not in favor of moving Collins from RT to LG. Steele was horrible against the WFT 4th and 5th DEs.

The hold by Collins on what was essentially a practice squad player negating the 40 yard completion to Gallup good?

 

[gimmesix]

Exactly, I think I ideally drafting a LG with the plan for him to eventually kick out to T would be perfect. Haven’t looked at the draft options coming up but I’m hoping someone in round 2-3 has that ability. Although the team has had an up close and personal look at Josh Ball. If he’s what his tape says he could be then we’ve already got our guy.

Would love to have one more defensively focused draft especially if we lose a lot of those FA’s. Probably a WR and OL in there as well.

Ah, I forgot about Ball. Possibly another good reason to wait a year before addressing tackle. At guard, we've just got to decide if Collins is an option there. If so, we don't have to spend an early pick on the position. I haven't given up on McGovern, but if we are replacing him with Williams, I do question him becoming what we need at the spot.

Going into this season, I considered McGovern to be that sixth linemen that created some depth and gave us a future replacement. Although that might not be working out, Steele appears to have been a real find. We wouldn't be talking about possibly moving Collins to guard or left tackle, if the scouts/coaches hadn't unearthed him. If Ball turns out, that would keep that depth going.

I also believe Nsekhe was a good short-term signing, but this is primarily about depth/starters for the long term. It's good to know we have some possibilities and don't necessarily have to reach in the draft for replacements.

 

[buddieluver]

yeah!, why can't we buy the best offensive line in the NFL because our QB is scared of pressure. oh, because we overpaid for an average QB. sorry, carry alone.

Did you miss we are not effectively running the ball lmao.

 

[xwalker]

Ah, I forgot about Ball. Possibly another good reason to wait a year before addressing tackle. At guard, we've just got to decide if Collins is an option there. If so, we don't have to spend an early pick on the position. I haven't given up on McGovern, but if we are replacing him with Williams, I do question him becoming what we need at the spot.

Going into this season, I considered McGovern to be that sixth linemen that created some depth and gave us a future replacement. Although that might not be working out, Steele appears to have been a real find. We wouldn't be talking about possibly moving Collins to guard or left tackle, if the scouts/coaches hadn't unearthed him. If Ball turns out, that would keep that depth going.

I also believe Nsekhe was a good short-term signing, but this is primarily about depth/starters for the long term. It's good to know we have some possibilities and don't necessarily have to reach in the draft for replacements.

I really liked the pick of Josh Ball and I expect him to become a starter at some point; however, they need to consider drafting an OT early if a good one is available.

 

[exciter]

Forgot about that. You're probably right. It might take the team giving up on him for him to call it quits, although he might be like Emmitt and try to continue his career elsewhere. At his level of play (although it wasn't as good as it had been against Washington), I'm in no hurry to kick him to the curve even though we've got to figure out what to do when the wheels do fall off. I do think Collins at LT and Steele at RT might be viable as a long-term solution.

I'm not opposed to drafting an LT early to be his eventual replacement, but I do think Collins at LT and Steele at RT might be viable as a long-term solution and would rather use that early pick on a position of greater need. That's if we don't move Collins to LG.

Give up? You do realize that Collins has missed 10 more games in his career than Tyron has in his? I’m guessing, after the brain dead suspension and the emergence of Steele that they try to trade Collins in the off-season. As for Tyron, having a guy who can play on an Island at LT for 13 games is much better than someone who can for 0!

 

[817Gill]

Ah, I forgot about Ball. Possibly another good reason to wait a year before addressing tackle. At guard, we've just got to decide if Collins is an option there. If so, we don't have to spend an early pick on the position. I haven't given up on McGovern, but if we are replacing him with Williams, I do question him becoming what we need at the spot.

Going into this season, I considered McGovern to be that sixth linemen that created some depth and gave us a future replacement. Although that might not be working out, Steele appears to have been a real find. We wouldn't be talking about possibly moving Collins to guard or left tackle, if the scouts/coaches hadn't unearthed him. If Ball turns out, that would keep that depth going.

I also believe Nsekhe was a good short-term signing, but this is primarily about depth/starters for the long term. It's good to know we have some possibilities and don't necessarily have to reach in the draft for replacements.

Yup, I think that’s the bottom line that we don’t have to reach at all. With Steele a legit spot starter at RT and Ball a legit spot starter at LT, we wouldn’t be in dire need to draft a T. We could conceivably sign a vet depth guy in the interior or draft an interior lineman in the early-mid rounds and be well stocked. If Farniok can become a quality G/C backup then we’ll have all the bodies we need. If there’s one thing Philbin has done in his career it’s develop later round OL into quality starters/depth.

 

[Acceptablename]

Why haven’t we tried La’el at LG? He has the power, and has played the position before. Steele can more than hold his own at RT.

Your thoughts:

I’m not just blaming the O line. Though, I do believe the O line is our biggest weakness. Dak needs to improve also, AND Moore, needs to make some smart scheme adjustments. The receivers, in general, are not getting near the separation they did earlier in the year.

If we lose o tackles we’re in worst shape

 

[gimmesix]

Give up? You do realize that Collins has missed 10 more games in his career than Tyron has in his? I’m guessing, after the brain dead suspension and the emergence of Steele that they try to trade Collins in the off-season. As for Tyron, having a guy who can play on an Island at LT for 13 games is much better than someone who can for 0!

Don't think management is near as upset with Collins as some fans are. Collins got hurt last year while Smith has missed games due to injury the last five seasons. That can take a toll on a player and show that their body just can't recover like it used to.

I don't have a problem with Smith playing as long as he wants as long as he's playing at a high level. I'm just saying some players get tired of the persistent injuries and decide it's time to call it quits.

 

[gimmesix]

Yup, I think that’s the bottom line that we don’t have to reach at all. With Steele a legit spot starter at RT and Ball a legit spot starter at LT, we wouldn’t be in dire need to draft a T. We could conceivably sign a vet depth guy in the interior or draft an interior lineman in the early-mid rounds and be well stocked. If Farniok can become a quality G/C backup then we’ll have all the bodies we need. If there’s one thing Philbin has done in his career it’s develop later round OL into quality starters/depth.

It will be interesting to see if Farniok develops. He certainly didn't look out of place with the starters in the preseason.

 

[exciter]

Don't think management is near as upset with Collins as some fans are. Collins got hurt last year while Smith has missed games due to injury the last five seasons. That can take a toll on a player and show that their body just can't recover like it used to.

I don't have a problem with Smith playing as long as he wants as long as he's playing at a high level. I'm just saying some players get tired of the persistent injuries and decide it's time to call it quits.

Upset has nothing to do with it, his base jumps from 1.9 next year to 10m and they now have a another player that can play RT. The whole reason Smith decided to do the next surgery last year was to prolong his career. He isn’t going to retire now because of a bone spur especially considering he was rated the 2nd best tackle in the league throughout the season!

 

[gimmesix]

Upset has nothing to do with it, his base jumps from 1.9 next year to 10m and they now have a another player that can play RT. The whole reason Smith decided to do the next surgery last year was to prolong his career. He isn’t going to retire now because of a bone spur especially considering he was rated the 2nd best tackle in the league throughout the season!

I will agree that his increase in salary and Steele's play could have an effect, but he's one of our top five linemen, so if you cut him, you have to replace him. Don't see that being an option. No matter where we end up playing him, I'd be surprised if Collins isn't on this team next year.

As far as Smith goes, I don't know whether he would consider retiring. I just threw out that he's had injuries the last five years and players sometimes get tired of dealing with that. It isn't always about what level of play they are playing at. His words that were pointed out would indicate that he plans to stick around as long as he can.

It'll be interesting to see what the line combination is next year. I have no doubt that Williams will leave for more green and don't know based on what we've seen that McGovern is the replacement we hoped he'd be. Right now, I'd look at Smith-Collins-Biadasz-Martin-Steele as the starting five in the preseason because I think that's our top five. But McGovern could have a great offseason and change that. Hope we also can develop Ball and Farniok into at least solid backups.

 

[exciter]

I will agree that his increase in salary and Steele's play could have an effect, but he's one of our top five linemen, so if you cut him, you have to replace him. Don't see that being an option. No matter where we end up playing him, I'd be surprised if Collins isn't on this team next year.

As far as Smith goes, I don't know whether he would consider retiring. I just threw out that he's had injuries the last five years and players sometimes get tired of dealing with that. It isn't always about what level of play they are playing at. His words that were pointed out would indicate that he plans to stick around as long as he can.

It'll be interesting to see what the line combination is next year. I have no doubt that Williams will leave for more green and don't know based on what we've seen that McGovern is the replacement we hoped he'd be. Right now, I'd look at Smith-Collins-Biadasz-Martin-Steele as the starting five in the preseason because I think that's our top five. But McGovern could have a great offseason and change that. Hope we also can develop Ball and Farniok into at least solid backups.

Never said anything about cutting him! I said trade. As stated Steele can play the RT position. Playing him at LG at a 10m base would be a massive mismanagement of funds. Everything points to him being expendable especially if you can get a 3rd or 4th round pick for him!

 

[Cowboyny]

Ehhh..McGovern's issues are not power or size. He just whiffs a lot of blocks. Power doesn't matter if you don't touch the guy.
Williams does lack a little power, but he he is very technically sound. If he cuts down on penalties, he is plenty good enough to win with, especially if Martin, Smith, and Collins are healthy and producing.

I feel the LG in a zbs has to be able to hit moving targets and be very mobile in the run game. McGovern is that phone booth type of player and is better suited to play RG. Let's remember, Columbo was running more of a man blocking scheme when he was drafted.

 

[xwalker]

I will agree that his increase in salary and Steele's play could have an effect, but he's one of our top five linemen, so if you cut him, you have to replace him. Don't see that being an option. No matter where we end up playing him, I'd be surprised if Collins isn't on this team next year.

As far as Smith goes, I don't know whether he would consider retiring. I just threw out that he's had injuries the last five years and players sometimes get tired of dealing with that. It isn't always about what level of play they are playing at. His words that were pointed out would indicate that he plans to stick around as long as he can.

It'll be interesting to see what the line combination is next year. I have no doubt that Williams will leave for more green and don't know based on what we've seen that McGovern is the replacement we hoped he'd be. Right now, I'd look at Smith-Collins-Biadasz-Martin-Steele as the starting five in the preseason because I think that's our top five. But McGovern could have a great offseason and change that. Hope we also can develop Ball and Farniok into at least solid backups.

I don't think both La'el and Tyron will be on the team in 2022 unless they plan to move La'el to OG.

10M and 13.5M base salaries are too much at OT when Steele has proven capable of playing RT.

I doubt if La'el wants to play OG.

Steele is not good at LT.

I don't see La'el playing LT.

I have not given up on McGovern for 2022.
- His issues seem more technique/awareness related than lack of physical ability.

I do think Connor Williams is better at this point than McGovern.

 

[Syron]

Can you say cheap cheap!!

Based on the price of ballpark concessions, this is probably more expensive than most of the cheap trinkets they give out.

 

[charron]

It's more than just power. Williams was often pulling or cutting off blocks on the move too. We need more power at center that would help biggley. They really need to get better at using the same formations to run and pass out of. Untill we can hold the Lab's with the threat of a pass they will just tee off when they see us line up to run.

 

[Creeper]

The hold by Collins on what was essentially a practice squad player negating the 40 yard completion to Gallup good?

No, but that doesn't mean Steele had a great game or was better than Collins.