The Quarterback Game

[Creeper]

Dallas didn't settle with Prescott, they knew he was their franchise QB and signed him according to market value. WAY too much emphasis is placed on the QB in terms of wins an losses that it's made people have tunnel vision. Put any QB behind center in Dallas vs. the 9ers for example and there's not many that would have "put the team on their shoulders." He did make some mistakes, don't get it twisted. But he was pressured 50% of the snaps, sacked 5 times and hit 14. The oline moved to the side while 4 defenders trashed our offense all game long. The total rushing yards was an embarrassing 77 total yards and Dak had 27 of them. Dak's mistakes aside, there's not many overcoming that train wreck.

Why should we put any QB behind Center? It should be only QBs making $40 million or more. Let's not absolve Dak of his contract. After all he was the one making the demands and holding out until he got $40 million. Dak demanded we make him accountable for the team when he demanded the Cowboys pay him a ridiculous amount of money for his limited talents. Also, Dak is responsible for some of those sacks too. If he doesn't see the pressure coming and either scramble or throw the ball away that is on him. He was holding the ball too long on some f those sacks.

 

[Diehardblues]

Are you saying Jerry Jones should have let Prescott walk? I will not argue your assumption. Instead, I would point out that Jones' eventual signing of Prescott to a franchise quarterback level contract was predicted on this site as far back as 2017.

Jones was never allowing Prescott to walk. You would have let him walk. Other actual NFL executive may have done the exact same thing. Not Jerry Jones though. The man is not a hard read. Anyone could see it in his eyes back in October 2016. It was done deal years before Prescott put pen to paper.

Yep

We were all in going back to 2016. And why we should have extended him well before his Rookie contract expired.

 

[charron]

Are you saying Jerry Jones should have let Prescott walk? I will not argue your assumption. Instead, I would point out that Jones' eventual signing of Prescott to a franchise quarterback level contract was predicted on this site as far back as 2017.

Jones was never allowing Prescott to walk. You would have let him walk. Other actual NFL executive may have done the exact same thing. Not Jerry Jones though. The man is not a hard read. Anyone could see it in his eyes back in October 2016. It was done deal years before Prescott put pen to paper.

My view has been if he took a much cheaper contract then keep him, but i'd rather him walk then sign the contract they gave him. They should have put the transition tag on him, let other clubs bid for his service and then decided to take the 2 first round picks or match the best offer. You'd end up with Dak making an average of 10 million a year less or you take the picks, draft a young kid while signing a veteran to a short term deal say 15 a year for 2 years. And never stop developing, drafting, looking at Qb's untill you have 1 that is elite. but you are right jerry is too scarred to let a player walk.

 

[CouchCoach]

When considering QB's and this GM, consider the fact he said "Romo is the only QB in the NFL that can play behind this OL". The loudmouth said it while the negotiation was going on and that slowed it down somewhat but just think what an admission that is. Let's not fix the OL, let's get someone that can play behind this one. And let's ignore how many times he's getting hit.

Well, now he is faced with a different challenge because this QB cannot play behind this OL against good DL's, I don't think many could.

They've already shown they cannot draft good OL except in the 1st round, and that's on McClay because it is his board. And they cannot afford a good FA OL and try and keep the band together.

And the jury is still out on the 2021 draft class except for the 1st rounder.

They've got some holes in the pie crust and not enough dough to fill them all. There is every reason for us to assume they might take steps back, not forward. And that's if the keep the coaching staff intact, which is unlikely.

Romo said it during that broadcast, the time is now. Many things have to fall in their favor to have the window as open as it was this season.

 

[DallasEast]

My view has been if he took a much cheaper contract then keep him, but i'd rather him walk then sign the contract they gave him. They should have put the transition tag on him, let other clubs bid for his service and then decided to take the 2 first round picks or match the best offer. You'd end up with Dak making an average of 10 million a year less or you take the picks, draft a young kid while signing a veteran to a short term deal say 15 a year for 2 years. And never stop developing, drafting, looking at Qb's untill you have 1 that is elite. but you are right jerry is too scarred to let a player walk.

"Scared?" No. I disagree. In his mind, Jones believes he makes astute football evaluations.

Jones does not see through the same set of eyes you, I, media or others may share. He does not see the flaws in Prescott's game that you and others have identified through your own evaluation. It would not shock me in the slightest that Jones sees Aikman in Prescott.

Scared? In my opinion, Jones did not let fear ever cross his mind. He owns full control of the team's salary cap. What should he have feared?

 

[charron]

"Scared?" No. I disagree. In his mind, Jones believes he makes astute football evaluations.

Jones does not see through the same set of eyes you, I, media or others may share. He does not see the flaws in Prescott's game that you and others have identified through your own evaluation. It would not shock me in the slightest that Jones sees Aikman in Prescott.

Scared? In my opinion, Jones did not let fear ever cross his mind. He owns full control of the team's salary cap. What should he have feared?

He absolutely fears letting a good player go. He'd rather overpay and cave to their demands than let someone walk that might become one of those elite players. I call it his randy moss syndrome, still haunted by not drafting him if he thinks a guy is good to great he'll pay them as a sure fire HOF player rather than take the chance they go somewhere else and then become elite.

 

[CouchCoach]

He absolutely fears letting a good player go. He'd rather overpay and cave to their demands than let someone walk that might become one of those elite players. I call it his randy moss syndrome, still haunted by not drafting him if he thinks a guy is good to great he'll pay them as a sure fire HOF player rather than take the chance they go somewhere else and then become elite.

It's about stars to him. he was the first to openly point out the NFL is all about entertainment. It's all about the show to him.

 

[G2]

Fair enough.

Since we were probably all in on him initially from his Rookie season I’d liked to have seen a better effort signing before that Rookie contract ended.

It’s almost like we were waiting for the team to have more success to justify a bigger contract.

The fact we played hardball cost us. By many indicators we could have signed him for closer to 35 before Wilson was signed.

In the long run 33-35 million may not make much difference in leu of 40 million but the perception of it does.

I agree, I thought all along that if he's your guy, crap or get off the toilet. The longer you wait, the higher the market goes. I took heavy fire for that idea.

 

[G2]

Why should we put any QB behind Center? It should be only QBs making $40 million or more. Let's not absolve Dak of his contract. After all he was the one making the demands and holding out until he got $40 million. Dak demanded we make him accountable for the team when he demanded the Cowboys pay him a ridiculous amount of money for his limited talents. Also, Dak is responsible for some of those sacks too. If he doesn't see the pressure coming and either scramble or throw the ball away that is on him. He was holding the ball too long on some f those sacks.

Not really, the team could have signed him earlier but they chose to wait. I'm not getting into salary amounts. Too much thought goes into that and most people have no idea what a player actually takes home and it's not up to anyone else to define his worth. That's my opinion though.
Watch the game again. He was under heavy fire with the vast majority of it being a 4 man rush. The O line completely collapsed.
Take a second look at each positive gain that was reversed from a penalty, not only negating the gain, but putting further back. That's not on Dak in the least.

 

[GINeric]

Jerry refuses to take the QB position seriously so here we are 26 years later.

Ask yourself this... how many first and second round quarterbacks taken in Daks draft are still in the NFL? The next question is, how many of those quarterbacks taken before Dak has a better win/loss record than he does??

 

[Clove]

Ask yourself this... how many first and second round quarterbacks taken in Daks draft are still in the NFL? The next question is, how many of those quarterbacks taken before Dak has a better win/loss record than he does??

Ask yourself a question first. The last Super Bowl we won, where was that QB drafted? The guys competing for Super Bowls now, one was drafted in the 6th round, you willing to do that? One was drafted in the 2nd round, and the rest were 1st rounders. Now which is more likely to succeed in this scenario, the 4th, the 6th, the 2nd, or would you prefer a 1st rounder? And depending on your answers will tell me what type of football IQ you possess.

 

[Clove]

So the draft position is what matters? I'm sure Tom Brady would be amused to hear that.

Fair. How many Tom Brady's have come along in the last 40 years? This shouldn't take long.

 

[Clove]

Ask yourself this... how many first and second round quarterbacks taken in Daks draft are still in the NFL? The next question is, how many of those quarterbacks taken before Dak has a better win/loss record than he does??

Ask yourself another question before asking me anything else. How many 4th, might as well say 5th rounders (QBs) have won the Super Bowl in the past 20 years?

 

[Clove]

A 6th rounder has won multiple titles, and are you willing to go down that path?

 

[GINeric]

Ask yourself a question first. The last Super Bowl we won, where was that QB drafted? The guys competing for Super Bowls now, one was drafted in the 6th round, you willing to do that? One was drafted in the 2nd round, and the rest were 1st rounders. Now which is more likely to succeed in this scenario, the 4th, the 6th, the 2nd, or would you prefer a 1st rounder? And depending on your answers will tell me what type of football IQ you possess.

All im saying is, Jerry has come out better than alot of these teams by getting the value out of Dak that he's gotten so far. Dak still has alot of room to grow and a long career ahead of him.

Of course you would expect a top tier qb in the first round, thats definitely not always a sure fire thing... but in Daks draft, he's done better than each 1st and 2nd round quarterback in his draft class. Jerry apparently drafted correctly that year.

 

[Clove]

All im saying is, Jerry has come out better than alot of these teams by getting the value out of Dak that he's gotten so far. Dak still has alot of room to grow and a long career ahead of him.

Of course you would expect a top tier qb in the first round, thats definitely not always a sure fire thing... but in Daks draft, he's done better than each 1st and 2nd round quarterback in his draft class. Jerry apparently drafted correctly that year.

What is better in your opinion? We are 26 years in, what constitutes better is not better for me and obviously not best for the Cowboys. I've watched 4 Super Bowl titles from the Cowboys, and I've watched world class QB play. The last 26 years is not what I'm used to. I don't want better, I want the best. But we won't get the best because Jerry Jones is like you. He's a fan, and fans think illogically. And because he thinks like a fan, It'll be another 25 years before we do anything. Hopefully by then he'll be on Stephen's book shelf in his office.

 

[GINeric]

Ask yourself another question before asking me anything else. How many 4th, might as well say 5th rounders (QBs) have won the Super Bowl in the past 20 years?

I can't honestly answer that, but I can point to 1st and 2nd round quarterbacks that aren't in the league anymore, never won a Superbowl, never reached a Superbowl, etc. Im not saying anybody is right or wrong in this debate, but for some reason Dak is held at a different standard than other quarterbacks, and you would think Dak was the first pick in the draft.

People talk about what Dak hasn't done in six years, but Brees, Elway, Manning, and alot of other quarterbacks haven't won a Superbowl in their first six years. Somehow they get a pass. The hypocrisy is truly hilarious and entertaining.

I'm not saying its you, im talking about many others.

 

[GINeric]

What is better in your opinion? We are 26 years in, what constitutes better is not better for me and obviously not best for the Cowboys. I've watched 4 Super Bowl titles from the Cowboys, and I've watched world class QB play. The last 26 years is not what I'm used to. I don't want better, I want the best. But we won't get the best because Jerry Jones is like you. He's a fan, and fans think illogically. And because he thinks like a fan, It'll be another 25 years before we do anything. Hopefully by then he'll be on Stephen's book shelf in his office.

Bro, Dak has only played 6 seasons, really 5 in a half. How many qbs lead their team to championships in 6 seasons???

 

[Clove]

I can't honestly answer that, but I can point to 1st and 2nd round quarterbacks that aren't in the league anymore, never won a Superbowl, never reached a Superbowl, etc. Im not saying anybody is right or wrong in this debate, but for some reason Dak is held at a different standard than other quarterbacks, and you would think Dak was the first pick in the draft.

People talk about what Dak hasn't done in six years, but Brees, Elway, Manning, and alot of other quarterbacks haven't won a Superbowl in their first six years. Somehow they get a pass. The hypocrisy is truly hilarious and entertaining.

I'm not saying its you, im talking about many others.

I don't know how to explain this to you. Of course we don't know what Dak can accomplish but what I do know, from playing WR, is that he is not taking risks when he plays. He plays safe, and safe isn't going to cut it. He has no trust in what he can do as a passer and or what the receiver is doing. He's scared to fit the ball in tight places, and he hesitates. A QB that hesitates is a goner in my book. You have to be decisive and let it rip. These are things coming from a 4th round/nearly 5th round QB. I tried to reinvent the wheel here. I tried to hang in there with Dak, but it's painfully obvious, he didn't have the proper training as a preteen or teen. He used pure athleticism to get where he ended up, and that will NEVER be good enough.

And yes, you strike out more than you hit on QBs even in the 1st. But you exponentially have better odds of a 1st rounder than a 3rd, 4th or 5th.

 

[Clove]

Bro, Dak has only played 6 seasons, really 5 in a half. How many qbs lead their team to championships in 6 seasons???

I don't care bro. What I care about is what I see with my own eyes, and he doesn't have it. I was his biggest supporter for 6 straight years, and I'm done with him. Don't talk or say **** to me, get it done.