Does Dak hold the ball too long?

John813

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Dak's Time to Throw last weekend was 2.95 seconds.

Lowest time to throw was Brady at 2.17 seconds. Highest was Josh Allen at 3.17

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Time to Throw
Of the Next Gen Passing Stats, Time to Throw (TT) is the most predictable from one year to the next. The stat itself is self-explanatory—Time to Throw measures the average amount of time elapsed from the time of snap to throw on every pass attempt for a passer (sacks excluded).
Unsurprisingly, the passers with the highest average TT are mobile passers but also quarterbacks who take a lot of sacks.

 

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I would imagine that any team that can’t or won’t run the ball is gonna have a short window to throw the ball…..no reason for opposing defenses to not pin their ears back and go after the Qb on most downs
 

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Dak's Time to Throw last weekend was 2.95 seconds.

Time to Throw
Of the Next Gen Passing Stats, Time to Throw (TT) is the most predictable from one year to the next. The stat itself is self-explanatory—Time to Throw measures the average amount of time elapsed from the time of snap to throw on every pass attempt for a passer (sacks excluded).
Unsurprisingly, the passers with the highest average TT are mobile passers but also quarterbacks who take a lot of sacks.

Seems way too long. Not sure what the average is. And I know it depends on some other factors. Such as WR's getting open, how well they are covered.
But with the supposed talent we have, 2.95 is way too long.
 

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Dak's Time to Throw last weekend was 2.95 seconds.

Lowest time to throw was Brady at 2.17 seconds. Highest was Josh Allen at 3.17

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Time to Throw
Of the Next Gen Passing Stats, Time to Throw (TT) is the most predictable from one year to the next. The stat itself is self-explanatory—Time to Throw measures the average amount of time elapsed from the time of snap to throw on every pass attempt for a passer (sacks excluded).
Unsurprisingly, the passers with the highest average TT are mobile passers but also quarterbacks who take a lot of sacks.

That's not really a good measurement, imo, if it's taking account of scrambling. Most plays are designed to happen within a certain time frame. That's why we measure the 40 yard dash and not the 70, for example.

In more cases than we like to admit, a scramble is a result of a missed read/window.
 

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This is what happens when you have a QB that stares down one route at a time for +3 seconds
His peripheral vision or lack of field accuracy severely inhibits his ability to read the whole defense and anticipate the whole set of routes of the play. Elite QB's like Brady, Mahomes don't stare down one receiver and hope he becomes open. They use their elite vision and defensive reading to scan the field and anticipate the whole set of routes as "one route".

The Josh Allen highest TTT is misleading because he is a mobile QB and is elite at escaping the pocket for a throw.
 

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Does anyone have a stat on how long Dak held the ball for against San Fran?
yes he did. generally he was holding on too long second half of the season. he was unsure. lacked confidence in his throws. waited too long to make sure players are wide open as opposed to challenge and throw into tight windows. he was actually better sitting in the pocket than when he was on the move.
 

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That's not really a good measurement, imo, if it's taking account of scrambling. Most plays are designed to happen within a certain time frame. That's why we measure the 40 yard dash and not the 70, for example.

In more cases than we like to admit, a scramble is a result of a missed read/window.

Yea, it's not a perfect measurement but for what the OP was asking for this is probably the closest stat that's readily available. There's obviously some variables it doesn't take into account for.
 

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It's not a question of how long a QB holds the ball as opposed to recognition and pocket presence. Dalton Schultz was wide open on a number of plays and it was like Dak was looking right through him to his first read.
 

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Does anyone have a stat on how long Dak held the ball for against San Fran?

When Dak was completing 77% of his passes through 8 games, he was averaging 2.5 seconds (#2) Brady was averaging 2.4 (#1).
After the injury he started holding the ball and got into a slump. During this time off he changed the way he plays, either he sabotaged himself
through film study or someone did it for him. Maybe it was an inside job by someone connected to Vegas..we were 8-0 against the spread at that time :eek:
 

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Seems way too long. Not sure what the average is. And I know it depends on some other factors. Such as WR's getting open, how well they are covered.
But with the supposed talent we have, 2.95 is way too long.
He was top 10 shortest TTT during the season.

It is obvious he was holding the ball this game due to coverage.
 

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It's affected by the type of routes you're running dink and dunk QBS look real good.
 

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There are two ways to define holding the ball too long. First there is the clock measurement or the time between the snap and the release of the ball. Then there is the more subjective way of looking at it. The QB is in the pocket and there is a pass rusher coming after him, or the pocket collapses. The QB can't find a receiver so he holds the ball until it is too late to get rid of it. Dak is guilty of the later. More importantly, it is not because there aren't any open receivers, it is that Dak is looking in the wrong area of the field.

What bothers me about Dak is that the longer he plays the better he should be at knowing where to throw the ball. He should be better at knowing where there is single coverage, who will be open, and when to take what is there. Dak seems to have gotten worse. But this is the big difference between Dak during the first 7 games and Dak for the last 9 that he played. Early in the season Dak was more decisive. He was spreading the ball around. He was throwing downfield more.
 

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Does anyone have a stat on how long Dak held the ball for against San Fran?

These idiots on here dont know anything. They see Dak get sacked or he is running around and they all assume everyone is open all over the place and he just somehow decided not to throw it. LOL

The view on the field at the snap doesn't show if the receivers are open or not down the field. They have no clue whatsoever. 5 sacks, 10 penalties, no running room the Oline completely sucked on Sunday. Actually never seen a worse game by an Oline outside of the 8 sacks given up on Aikman some odd years ago against the Eagles.
 

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Sometimes he does.

But generally, not more than a lot of other QB’s.


Lately, when things haven’t been going well. Yes he has been.
 

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Dak's Time to Throw last weekend was 2.95 seconds.

Lowest time to throw was Brady at 2.17 seconds. Highest was Josh Allen at 3.17

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Time to Throw
Of the Next Gen Passing Stats, Time to Throw (TT) is the most predictable from one year to the next. The stat itself is self-explanatory—Time to Throw measures the average amount of time elapsed from the time of snap to throw on every pass attempt for a passer (sacks excluded).
Unsurprisingly, the passers with the highest average TT are mobile passers but also quarterbacks who take a lot of sacks.

EXACTLY..........."time to throw" is nothing more than "time until he actually throws it".

Brady gets it out quick and doenst run around so its smaller. A guy like Josh Allen and Hurts run around all over the place so that increases the time until they actually release the ball.

Little to do with how long the Oline game them to throw it.
 
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