Dak's TD totals: good teams vs bad teams

[Yobwocs]

Dak vs SF, Tampa, Raiders, Patriots, Cardinals, Chiefs (playoff teams)

13 TDs

2.16666 TDs per game



Dak in other 11 games (non playoff teams + Eagles)

27 TDs

2.454545 TDs per game


So he scores 0.29 less TDs against good teams vs bad teams. I'm not trying to make a Dak love or Dak excuse thread. I'm just saying... everyone says he beats bad teams, but his TD production doesn't show too drastic a difference between how he plays vs good teams and bad teams. TDs are the main stat. That shows that plays are being made and points are being scored. None of these games were in garbage time so all these stats are relevant.

I don't think it's only Dak that doesn't show up vs good teams. Nobody else shows up either. Pass rush is a no show against the NFC West. Defense forces turnovers only against Taysom Hill and Mike Glennon. Defense clearly looks way better vs the Giants and Vikings than vs challenging teams. Offensive line gets bulldozed against the Niners and Chiefs. Running game relatively ineffective. Always a few kicks missed in key games. 100 penalties when we're forced to play more physically. We need to find out why EVERYONE plays worse against great teams. It's not just a Dak problem. It's a team problem. Thoughts?

 

[Kingofholland]

Dak vs SF, Tampa, Raiders, Patriots, Cardinals, Chiefs (playoff teams)

13 TDs

2.16666 TDs per game



Dak in other 11 games (non playoff teams + Eagles)

27 TDs

2.454545 TDs per game


So he scores 0.29 less TDs against good teams vs bad teams. I'm not trying to make a Dak love or Dak excuse thread. I'm just saying... everyone says he beats bad teams, but his TD production doesn't show too drastic a difference between how he plays vs good teams and bad teams. TDs are the main stat. That shows that plays are being made and points are being scored. None of these games were in garbage time so all these stats are relevant.

I don't think it's only Dak that doesn't show up vs good teams. Nobody else shows up either. Pass rush is a no show against the NFC West. Defense forces turnovers only against Taysom Hill and Mike Glennon. Defense clearly looks way better vs the Giants and Vikings than vs challenging teams. Offensive line gets bulldozed against the Niners and Chiefs. Running game relatively ineffective. Always a few kicks missed in key games. 100 penalties when we're forced to play more physically. We need to find out why EVERYONE plays worse against great teams. It's not just a Dak problem. It's a team problem. Thoughts?

Most QBs post lower stat lines against teams with good defenses. I think the only difference is the lack of playoff success for Dak where the critics come in. Lack of execution by the entire team starts with coaching. The scheme, preparation, playcalling, and execution wasn't there against the 49ers.

 

[Playmaker3128]

Forget stats for a second. Do you honestly think he played well against good teams this year? Here is the example I'll use to illustrate my point. Two years ago we played the browns. Who were a decent team that year, .500 I believe. I think we went up 14-7 early in the game. In quarters 2-3 the browns outscored us 34-0. By the fourth quarter the score is 41-14.

Does dak lead us back to score 24 points in the fourth quarter? Absolutely. But the game was pretty much out of hand at that point.

The point I'm trying to make is sometimes stats don't tell the whole story. Dak needs to be more consistent over 4 quarters of football. In The broncos, Cheifs. cardinals, and 49ers playoff game the d kept us in the game. Dak had ample opportunities to lead us back and didn't even come close.

 

[Yobwocs]

Forget stats for a second. Do you honestly think he played well against good teams this year? Here is the example I'll use to illustrate my point. Two years ago we played the browns. Who were a decent team that year, .500 I believe. I think we went up 14-7 early in the game. In quarters 2-3 the browns outscored us 34-0. By the fourth quarter the score is 41-14.

Does dak lead us back to score 24 points in the fourth quarter? Absolutely. But the game was pretty much out of hand at that point.

The point I'm trying to make is sometimes stats don't tell the whole story. Dak needs to be more consistent over 4 quarters of football. In The broncos, Cheifs. cardinals, and 49ers playoff game the d kept us in the game. Dak had ample opportunities to lead us back and didn't even come close.

I'm not saying Dak played well against good teams, but I think he did the minimal. To a level that if he got just a little more help, we could've overcame those teams.

In no way can you allow someone to score 34-0 on you in 2 quarters. That's not gonna cut it. I think the Browns game was more about the defense than the offense.

Hard to be consistent thru 4 quarters. Not even Josh Allen was consistent in the Chiefs game until that long bomb to Gabriel Davis which was a pretty remarkable play.

 

[Gangsta Spanksta]

Difference makers don't "need a little help"

 

[Yobwocs]

Difference makers don't "need a little help"

Dak is who he is. He's not Manning. He can occasionally have a monster year ala Romo in 2014 but he's gonna overcome failures by pretty much every other player on the team. Rodgers, Brady, and Tannehill all got more help than he did in their playoff loss.

 

[DandyDon52]

Dak vs SF, Tampa, Raiders, Patriots, Cardinals, Chiefs (playoff teams)

13 TDs

2.16666 TDs per game



Dak in other 11 games (non playoff teams + Eagles)

27 TDs

2.454545 TDs per game


So he scores 0.29 less TDs against good teams vs bad teams. I'm not trying to make a Dak love or Dak excuse thread. I'm just saying... everyone says he beats bad teams, but his TD production doesn't show too drastic a difference between how he plays vs good teams and bad teams. TDs are the main stat. That shows that plays are being made and points are being scored. None of these games were in garbage time so all these stats are relevant.

I don't think it's only Dak that doesn't show up vs good teams. Nobody else shows up either. Pass rush is a no show against the NFC West. Defense forces turnovers only against Taysom Hill and Mike Glennon. Defense clearly looks way better vs the Giants and Vikings than vs challenging teams. Offensive line gets bulldozed against the Niners and Chiefs. Running game relatively ineffective. Always a few kicks missed in key games. 100 penalties when we're forced to play more physically. We need to find out why EVERYONE plays worse against great teams. It's not just a Dak problem. It's a team problem. Thoughts?

TD totals and stats in general are meaningless.
you have to use other methods to evaluate dak or any other player.
Dallas has more problems than just dak, starting with hc and oc.

 

[OmerV]

Forget stats for a second. Do you honestly think he played well against good teams this year?

He played very well against Tampa and New England

He also had solid to strong games against the Raiders and Cardinals, although starts were a bit slow.

Didn't play well at all against the Chiefs

 

[Creeper]

I think you have to break Dak's season into two parts, the first 7 and the last 9 he played.

Also, how many TDs he threw is not as relevant as when he threw them. Some Dak critics accuse him of padding his stats late in the game. I would argue that was certainly possible against the Cardinals and 49ers, Denver too. But the Bucs game was close and they did come back to tie the Raiders late, even though the offense was ineffective early allowing the Raiders to get to a big lead.

At the end of the day, It is hard to argue that late in the season Dak played well. Many very knowledgeable football analysts claimed Dak was slumping, or not playing as well as he could. The rest of us could just see it with our own eyes. Dak was awful against the Cardinals. And he was not very good against the 49ers either. I know his defenders will say it was the offensive line. But there were plays when he had time to throw and he did not make the big plays. He gets paid $40 million. When the opportunities present themselves, he should be taking advantage.

At this point, I think the discussion should be more on what to do now knowing Dak is with us for at least another 3 years. The consensus seems to be fix the OL and run the football. I agree. The threat of the run will make Dallas a much better offense even if they score fewer points.

 

[Ranched]

He played very well against Tampa and New England

He also had solid to strong games against the Raiders and Cardinals, although starts were a bit slow. Didn't play well at all against the Chiefs

Unfortunately, only non haters are capable of seeing that.

 

[DFWJC]

Most QBs post lower stat lines against teams with good defenses. I think the only difference is the lack of playoff success for Dak where the critics come in. Lack of execution by the entire team starts with coaching. The scheme, preparation, playcalling, and execution wasn't there against the 49ers.

Either way.
If comparing pass numbers, then compare vs pass defenses

 

[Streifenkarl]

Just as valuable as our 12-5 record, or that "best offense" tag and so on.

He loses his games vs. the good teams and that's the problem. He can't come back against them if trailing and he can't set the pace in the beginning of the game. Yes the o line sucks, and him scoring 30+ points vs Tampa should have been enough (thanks Mr. Z) but that doesn't take anything away from what he did on the field.

The good thing is, we play more good teams next season, so the teams qualities will put to the test more often. Your super dooper elite QB should win at least a couple of them. I'm not yet in the mood for getting excited about the 22 season, I'll stay in the "nice, once again nothing" mood for a couple of weeks longer.

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

Dak vs SF, Tampa, Raiders, Patriots, Cardinals, Chiefs (playoff teams)

13 TDs

2.16666 TDs per game



Dak in other 11 games (non playoff teams + Eagles)

27 TDs

2.454545 TDs per game


So he scores 0.29 less TDs against good teams vs bad teams. I'm not trying to make a Dak love or Dak excuse thread. I'm just saying... everyone says he beats bad teams, but his TD production doesn't show too drastic a difference between how he plays vs good teams and bad teams. TDs are the main stat. That shows that plays are being made and points are being scored. None of these games were in garbage time so all these stats are relevant.

I don't think it's only Dak that doesn't show up vs good teams. Nobody else shows up either. Pass rush is a no show against the NFC West. Defense forces turnovers only against Taysom Hill and Mike Glennon. Defense clearly looks way better vs the Giants and Vikings than vs challenging teams. Offensive line gets bulldozed against the Niners and Chiefs. Running game relatively ineffective. Always a few kicks missed in key games. 100 penalties when we're forced to play more physically. We need to find out why EVERYONE plays worse against great teams. It's not just a Dak problem. It's a team problem. Thoughts?

interesting that you include eagles in non playoff teams .... its pigeon-hole stats to fit a narrative.

with that said, I didn't think his performance was great against the playoff teams in general.

 

[atlantacowboy]

Dak vs SF, Tampa, Raiders, Patriots, Cardinals, Chiefs (playoff teams)

13 TDs

2.16666 TDs per game



Dak in other 11 games (non playoff teams + Eagles)

27 TDs

2.454545 TDs per game


So he scores 0.29 less TDs against good teams vs bad teams. I'm not trying to make a Dak love or Dak excuse thread. I'm just saying... everyone says he beats bad teams, but his TD production doesn't show too drastic a difference between how he plays vs good teams and bad teams. TDs are the main stat. That shows that plays are being made and points are being scored. None of these games were in garbage time so all these stats are relevant.

I don't think it's only Dak that doesn't show up vs good teams. Nobody else shows up either. Pass rush is a no show against the NFC West. Defense forces turnovers only against Taysom Hill and Mike Glennon. Defense clearly looks way better vs the Giants and Vikings than vs challenging teams. Offensive line gets bulldozed against the Niners and Chiefs. Running game relatively ineffective. Always a few kicks missed in key games. 100 penalties when we're forced to play more physically. We need to find out why EVERYONE plays worse against great teams. It's not just a Dak problem. It's a team problem. Thoughts?

This is nonsense. You aren't accounting for garbage time like the AZ and SF game where he did nothing for 3 quarters, and then started tacking on stats against their prevent defenses.

Bottom line is that he was 1-5 against playoff teams outside the NFC East.

 

[Denim Chicken]

This is nonsense. You aren't accounting for garbage time like the AZ and SF game where he did nothing for 3 quarters, and then started tacking on stats against their prevent defenses.

Bottom line is that he was 1-5 against playoff teams outside the NFC East.

I love how people just automatically assume defenses are playing prevent in the 4th quarter without, you know, looking at what defenses they were actually playing.

Lol IQ football analysis.

 

[glimmerman]

He played very well against Tampa and New England

He also had solid to strong games against the Raiders and Cardinals, although starts were a bit slow.

Didn't play well at all against the Chiefs

Playing good teams takes a good team effort to win. There are times a QB has to make plays and Dak has made the plays as well as fell short sometimes. But it’s a team game. When a team is bad a QB can feast on the weaknesses, especially if it’s a bad team secondary.

I have seen missed FGs and EP hurt us in close games and our Defense let us down. Then slow starts and penalties cost us. Only to try to mount a comeback in the 4th quarter and fail.

We need to fix this O-Line and get rid of the penalties. Fix the O-Line and we have a running game. Have that and you have play action. This is how we win.

 

[atlantacowboy]

I love how people just automatically assume defenses are playing prevent in the 4th quarter without, you know, looking at what defenses they were actually playing.

Lol IQ football analysis.

You should talk. The fact is that when your losing 23-7 with 12 minutes left in the game, the defense trades yards for clock. They back off and tackle in bounds. This is super basic stuff which I'm not surprised has to be be explained to you.

What I love is all the Dak fanboys who are trying to disprove that Dak is a loser with math. lol

 

[Denim Chicken]

You should talk. The fact is that when your losing 23-7 with 12 minutes left in the game, the defense trades yards for clock. They back off and tackle in bounds. This is super basic stuff which I'm not surprised has to be be explained to you.

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I dont need anything explained to me, child. You think all teams always go into prevent, lol??? Go look AZI game you referenced. We were down 8 points at the start of the fourth. They were not playing pReVeNt dEfEnSe.

This right before the biggest play in the 4th, drive which resulted in a TD. Look at the Prevent Defense alignment. Super basic stuff.

 

[sunalsorises]

14 or 15 of those TDs against non-playoff teams/Eagles came in three games. In one game he had 5 TDs and in two he had 4 (one might have also been 5). That's the difference right there.

 

[G2]

This is nonsense. You aren't accounting for garbage time like the AZ and SF game where he did nothing for 3 quarters, and then started tacking on stats against their prevent defenses.

Bottom line is that he was 1-5 against playoff teams outside the NFC East.

Do you know how the rest of the NFL did? Probably didn't even look. As tired as the "sucked against non division teams"argument.