3 QB Categories

[817Gill]

Many fans like to lump QB’s into two tiers, elite or not good enough, when in reality there’s three.

(Not going to list all the individuals, just going to give rough numbers on how many fit in each)

Tier 1-Elite/Future HOFer: 6-7 QB’s

Tier 2-Varying levels of good: 9-10 QB’s

Tier 3- Average to below average: 14-15 QB’s

Now when it comes to building a SB team, most people think having a tier 1 guy is the only way to do it. Although it definitely makes it easier, there are other ways to build SB contenders. Keep in mind every QB no matter what tier he falls in needs a certain level of roster and coaching help, while those in tier 1 need less help and those in tier 3 need the most help.

In terms of the Cowboys, we have a tier two guy. Whether you think he’s at the tip top of tier 2 or somewhere in the middle, the vast majority of us know that Dak is not elite but is not below average either. Guys like Dak, Carr, Wentz, Tannehill, Cousins, and Jimmy G have moments and games where they can perform at an elite level; but a lack of high end consistency relegates them to a tier 2 role.

So the question becomes, in the position we are in now, how do we move forward to building the best team possible? Again, although a tier 1 guy solves a lot of issues, tier 2 guys can and have made and won SB’s albeit usually with more help.

There are only 6-7 elite QB’s in the world, if your only plan to build a winner is to find one of those good luck as the odds are not in your favor. You need either a top 10ish pick or an extreme stroke of luck. Put that out of your minds now, we will not be bad enough to pick that high without major injury and you can’t plan for luck. Trading up would be costly and would require we pick the right guy, which the odds are extremely low that we do.

So how do we build a contender with a tier 2 guy? You follow the niners blueprint. Run the ball at a high level, allow your QB to thrive in play action and in situations where the defenses must show their hand. Defined reads, ability to scheme guys open, and allowing the QB to complement the offense as opposed to being the center of it. Add in a strong defense and coaching and you’ve got yourself a tough team that can win and win big.

Trying to change the QB situation is extremely risky, as odds are overwhelmingly low that we can draft or trade for someone in tier 1 with where we draft and salary cap implications around the league. But with the roster we have so far as well as our ability to draft well, pivoting to winning the way tier 2 guys do is the better move.

This defense is not far away from being a top 8ish unit while the offense has plenty of pieces. One more interior D and Olineman, another LB, and one or two more auxiliary pieces like a blocking TE or better FS is what we need to have the roster at the level it needs to be to play the way we need to.

I say all this to set up the focal point of the post, we are not far at all from having the roster necessary to be a true contender. But we must pivot schematically to give us the best chance possible. We can’t build a team in Kansas City’s image, we must build one in San Francisco’s.

And for those who will bring up the salary of our QB, please stop shaking your fist at the sky and complaining about a market that’s out of anyone’s control. QB’s will get paid high amounts from now until the end of time. Unless owners get together and plan to create a salary range for tier 2 QB’s, they will be paid elite money when their time is up next. But as of now, don’t expect to see only 5-6 guys paid high while the rest of the league recycles QB’s until they luck into an elite guy, no franchise is going to do that. After 2-3 years each guy gets overlapped by 3-4 more. Dak’s 3rd highest paid status will be 8th or 9th in a year or two, much more commensurate with his ranking.

If the team focuses on making these schematic changes, this team can be a true contender. Unfortunately, I have zero faith that the two pass happy guys running our offense will see it that way. Regardless, we aren’t too far away, but we must take the right path forward. If we keep scheming and creating the identity of a team with tier 1 QB play we will come up short. Again, you can win with tier 2 play but it must be built correctly and you must know who you are.

Long thread but it sums up how I feel we should move forward and it’s gonna be slow on here for a while so why not take some time and read lol.

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

Many fans like to lump QB’s into two tiers, elite or not good enough, when in reality there’s three.

(Not going to list all the individuals, just going to give rough numbers on how many fit in each)

Tier 1-Elite/Future HOFer: 6-7 QB’s

Tier 2-Varying levels of good: 9-10 QB’s

Tier 3- Average to below average: 14-15 QB’s

Now when it comes to building a SB team, most people think having a tier 1 guy is the only way to do it. Although it definitely makes it easier, there are other ways to build SB contenders. Keep in mind every QB no matter what tier he falls in needs a certain level of roster and coaching help, while those in tier 1 need less help and those in tier 3 need the most help.

In terms of the Cowboys, we have a tier two guy. Whether you think he’s at the tip top of tier 2 or somewhere in the middle, the vast majority of us know that Dak is not elite but is not below average either. Guys like Dak, Carr, Wentz, Tannehill, Cousins, and Jimmy G have moments and games where they can perform at an elite level; but a lack of high end consistency relegates them to a tier 2 role.

So the question becomes, in the position we are in now, how do we move forward to building the best team possible? Again, although a tier 1 guy solves a lot of issues, tier 2 guys can and have made and won SB’s albeit usually with more help.

There are only 6-7 elite QB’s in the world, if your only plan to build a winner is to find one of those good luck as the odds are not in your favor. You need either a top 10ish pick or an extreme stroke of luck. Put that out of your minds now, we will not be bad enough to pick that high without major injury and you can’t plan for luck. Trading up would be costly and would require we pick the right guy, which the odds are extremely low that we do.

So how do we build a contender with a tier 2 guy? You follow the niners blueprint. Run the ball at a high level, allow your QB to thrive in play action and in situations where the defenses must show their hand. Defined reads, ability to scheme guys open, and allowing the QB to complement the offense as opposed to being the center of it. Add in a strong defense and coaching and you’ve got yourself a tough team that can win and win big.

Trying to change the QB situation is extremely risky, as odds are overwhelmingly low that we can draft or trade for someone in tier 1 with where we draft and salary cap implications around the league. But with the roster we have so far as well as our ability to draft well, pivoting to winning the way tier 2 guys do is the better move.

This defense is not far away from being a top 8ish unit while the offense has plenty of pieces. One more interior D and Olineman, another LB, and one or two more auxiliary pieces like a blocking TE or better FS is what we need to have the roster at the level it needs to be to play the way we need to.

I say all this to set up the focal point of the post, we are not far at all from having the roster necessary to be a true contender. But we must pivot schematically to give us the best chance possible. We can’t build a team in Kansas City’s image, we must build one in San Francisco’s.

And for those who will bring up the salary of our QB, please stop shaking your fist at the sky and complaining about a market that’s out of anyone’s control. QB’s will get paid high amounts from now until the end of time. Unless owners get together and plan to create a salary range for tier 2 QB’s, they will be paid elite money when their time is up next. But as of now, don’t expect to see only 5-6 guys paid high while the rest of the league recycles QB’s until they luck into an elite guy, no franchise is going to do that. After 2-3 years each guy gets overlapped by 3-4 more. Dak’s 3rd highest paid status will be 8th or 9th in a year or two, much more commensurate with his ranking.

If the team focuses on making these schematic changes, this team can be a true contender. Unfortunately, I have zero faith that the two pass happy guys running our offense will see it that way. Regardless, we aren’t too far away, but we must take the right path forward. If we keep scheming and creating the identity of a team with tier 1 QB play we will come up short. Again, you can win with tier 2 play but it must be built correctly and you must know who you are.

Long thread but it sums up how I feel we should move forward and it’s gonna be slow on here for a while so why not take some time and read lol.

if you have a tier2 guy, which we do, then you need strong supporting cast, which starts with strong running game, for that you need to have the OL and scheme and the will to run the ball. in fact if we do, then Dak can excel since he has shown he is very good in Play action. plus a good OL, will force teams to rush with more players and blitz to create pressure, which he has also shown he can be good against. its when the opposing teams rushed with 4, still generated pressure and dropped 7 into coverage is when he struggled....so it starts and ends with building a good OL. that's where our investments should go

 

[DonaldM]

Well written. But geez.

 

[fivetwos]

When a tier 1 guy faces four man pressure things generally get ugly.

SF was doing it to our tier 2 guy.

The OL as a unit was pathetic, although there were two all pros on it.

Something is very, very off and although Jerry seems to be loving status quo, something has to change along the OL.

 

[817Gill]

if you have a tier2 guy, which we do, then you need strong supporting cast, which starts with strong running game, for that you need to have the OL and scheme and the will to run the ball. in fact if we do, then Dak can excel since he has shown he is very good in Play action. plus a good OL, will force teams to rush with more players and blitz to create pressure, which he has also shown he can be good against. its when the opposing teams rushed with 4, still generated pressure and dropped 7 into coverage is when he struggled....so it starts and ends with building a good OL. that's where our investments should go

Exactly, you hit it right on the head

 

[817Gill]

Well written. But geez.

Lmao sorry man needed get those thoughts out

 

[fivetwos]

Many fans like to lump QB’s into two tiers, elite or not good enough, when in reality there’s three.

(Not going to list all the individuals, just going to give rough numbers on how many fit in each)

Tier 1-Elite/Future HOFer: 6-7 QB’s

Tier 2-Varying levels of good: 9-10 QB’s

Tier 3- Average to below average: 14-15 QB’s

Now when it comes to building a SB team, most people think having a tier 1 guy is the only way to do it. Although it definitely makes it easier, there are other ways to build SB contenders. Keep in mind every QB no matter what tier he falls in needs a certain level of roster and coaching help, while those in tier 1 need less help and those in tier 3 need the most help.

In terms of the Cowboys, we have a tier two guy. Whether you think he’s at the tip top of tier 2 or somewhere in the middle, the vast majority of us know that Dak is not elite but is not below average either. Guys like Dak, Carr, Wentz, Tannehill, Cousins, and Jimmy G have moments and games where they can perform at an elite level; but a lack of high end consistency relegates them to a tier 2 role.

So the question becomes, in the position we are in now, how do we move forward to building the best team possible? Again, although a tier 1 guy solves a lot of issues, tier 2 guys can and have made and won SB’s albeit usually with more help.

There are only 6-7 elite QB’s in the world, if your only plan to build a winner is to find one of those good luck as the odds are not in your favor. You need either a top 10ish pick or an extreme stroke of luck. Put that out of your minds now, we will not be bad enough to pick that high without major injury and you can’t plan for luck. Trading up would be costly and would require we pick the right guy, which the odds are extremely low that we do.

So how do we build a contender with a tier 2 guy? You follow the niners blueprint. Run the ball at a high level, allow your QB to thrive in play action and in situations where the defenses must show their hand. Defined reads, ability to scheme guys open, and allowing the QB to complement the offense as opposed to being the center of it. Add in a strong defense and coaching and you’ve got yourself a tough team that can win and win big.

Trying to change the QB situation is extremely risky, as odds are overwhelmingly low that we can draft or trade for someone in tier 1 with where we draft and salary cap implications around the league. But with the roster we have so far as well as our ability to draft well, pivoting to winning the way tier 2 guys do is the better move.

This defense is not far away from being a top 8ish unit while the offense has plenty of pieces. One more interior D and Olineman, another LB, and one or two more auxiliary pieces like a blocking TE or better FS is what we need to have the roster at the level it needs to be to play the way we need to.

I say all this to set up the focal point of the post, we are not far at all from having the roster necessary to be a true contender. But we must pivot schematically to give us the best chance possible. We can’t build a team in Kansas City’s image, we must build one in San Francisco’s.

And for those who will bring up the salary of our QB, please stop shaking your fist at the sky and complaining about a market that’s out of anyone’s control. QB’s will get paid high amounts from now until the end of time. Unless owners get together and plan to create a salary range for tier 2 QB’s, they will be paid elite money when their time is up next. But as of now, don’t expect to see only 5-6 guys paid high while the rest of the league recycles QB’s until they luck into an elite guy, no franchise is going to do that. After 2-3 years each guy gets overlapped by 3-4 more. Dak’s 3rd highest paid status will be 8th or 9th in a year or two, much more commensurate with his ranking.

If the team focuses on making these schematic changes, this team can be a true contender. Unfortunately, I have zero faith that the two pass happy guys running our offense will see it that way. Regardless, we aren’t too far away, but we must take the right path forward. If we keep scheming and creating the identity of a team with tier 1 QB play we will come up short. Again, you can win with tier 2 play but it must be built correctly and you must know who you are.

Long thread but it sums up how I feel we should move forward and it’s gonna be slow on here for a while so why not take some time and read lol.

I appreciate you understanding that paragraphs can be your friend lol.

 

[Ranching]

When a tier 1 guy faces four man pressure things generally get ugly.

SF was doing it to our tier 2 guy.

The OL as a unit was pathetic, although there were two all pros on it.

Something is very, very off and although Jerry seems to be loving status quo, something has to change along the OL.

Starts at center....we need a good one.

 

[blueblood70]

Many fans like to lump QB’s into two tiers, elite or not good enough, when in reality there’s three.

(Not going to list all the individuals, just going to give rough numbers on how many fit in each)

Tier 1-Elite/Future HOFer: 6-7 QB’s

Tier 2-Varying levels of good: 9-10 QB’s

Tier 3- Average to below average: 14-15 QB’s

Now when it comes to building a SB team, most people think having a tier 1 guy is the only way to do it. Although it definitely makes it easier, there are other ways to build SB contenders. Keep in mind every QB no matter what tier he falls in needs a certain level of roster and coaching help, while those in tier 1 need less help and those in tier 3 need the most help.

In terms of the Cowboys, we have a tier two guy. Whether you think he’s at the tip top of tier 2 or somewhere in the middle, the vast majority of us know that Dak is not elite but is not below average either. Guys like Dak, Carr, Wentz, Tannehill, Cousins, and Jimmy G have moments and games where they can perform at an elite level; but a lack of high end consistency relegates them to a tier 2 role.

So the question becomes, in the position we are in now, how do we move forward to building the best team possible? Again, although a tier 1 guy solves a lot of issues, tier 2 guys can and have made and won SB’s albeit usually with more help.

There are only 6-7 elite QB’s in the world, if your only plan to build a winner is to find one of those good luck as the odds are not in your favor. You need either a top 10ish pick or an extreme stroke of luck. Put that out of your minds now, we will not be bad enough to pick that high without major injury and you can’t plan for luck. Trading up would be costly and would require we pick the right guy, which the odds are extremely low that we do.

So how do we build a contender with a tier 2 guy? You follow the niners blueprint. Run the ball at a high level, allow your QB to thrive in play action and in situations where the defenses must show their hand. Defined reads, ability to scheme guys open, and allowing the QB to complement the offense as opposed to being the center of it. Add in a strong defense and coaching and you’ve got yourself a tough team that can win and win big.

Trying to change the QB situation is extremely risky, as odds are overwhelmingly low that we can draft or trade for someone in tier 1 with where we draft and salary cap implications around the league. But with the roster we have so far as well as our ability to draft well, pivoting to winning the way tier 2 guys do is the better move.

This defense is not far away from being a top 8ish unit while the offense has plenty of pieces. One more interior D and Olineman, another LB, and one or two more auxiliary pieces like a blocking TE or better FS is what we need to have the roster at the level it needs to be to play the way we need to.

I say all this to set up the focal point of the post, we are not far at all from having the roster necessary to be a true contender. But we must pivot schematically to give us the best chance possible. We can’t build a team in Kansas City’s image, we must build one in San Francisco’s.

And for those who will bring up the salary of our QB, please stop shaking your fist at the sky and complaining about a market that’s out of anyone’s control. QB’s will get paid high amounts from now until the end of time. Unless owners get together and plan to create a salary range for tier 2 QB’s, they will be paid elite money when their time is up next. But as of now, don’t expect to see only 5-6 guys paid high while the rest of the league recycles QB’s until they luck into an elite guy, no franchise is going to do that. After 2-3 years each guy gets overlapped by 3-4 more. Dak’s 3rd highest paid status will be 8th or 9th in a year or two, much more commensurate with his ranking.

If the team focuses on making these schematic changes, this team can be a true contender. Unfortunately, I have zero faith that the two pass happy guys running our offense will see it that way. Regardless, we aren’t too far away, but we must take the right path forward. If we keep scheming and creating the identity of a team with tier 1 QB play we will come up short. Again, you can win with tier 2 play but it must be built correctly and you must know who you are.

Long thread but it sums up how I feel we should move forward and it’s going to be slow on here for a while so why not take some time and read lol.

there's not 6-7- elite qbs playing i in any one era. Maybe 3 , tier 2 is less players in their as well but yes Daks in Tier 2 high tier 2 we all ranked him outside the top 5 but somewhere 6-10 and that's being honest. so many more tiers bro not just THREE but 3 that are relative maybe

we do have a contender regardless of how you slice it

we lost by 6 in the 9er game with 14 penalties and a TO, i mean just reduce those by 50% we win talent wise we stack up IMHO

a few games against playoff teams by 2, 3, 3 , and 10 plus the 6 to Niners we MUST limit the penalty's and mistakes the roster is fine with soem tweaks..sory but that was well written but way way off base.

elie HOF qbs are rare and soeitmne tma just gets lucky as pickig top 5 isnt he answer we see a tomn of busts uo that way as far as qbs go so we just sonciue whatb we are doign, agaun find way to limit mistakles and mnatys its what seorates the good teams from the final 2 some luck, less turnovers and penatys..

 

[fivetwos]

Starts at center....we need a good one.

Biadasz.....I don't know what to think.

Remember earlier in the season when things were going well and people were splitting hairs over his play....the snaps, pass protection etc....?

I studied his play very closely and saw a very good run blocker.

I made my case and stopped following closely. Then it seemed like from there he just couldn't block anyone anymore.

I think there may have been some things that tipped the defense to run or pass, but it just makes so little sense how badly his play dropped so quickly.

I won't pretend to have the answers but most of our runs are right behind him.

 

[Nexx]

1. Elite
2. Pro Bowl Caliber
3. Good
4. Average
5. Bus Driver
6. Backup

Dak is somewhere between average and bus driver to me.

 

[shabazz]

We have a tier 2 player getting paid like a tier 1 player…..actually we have several of those around here

no need to make it just about the Qb

 

[fivetwos]

We have a tier 2 player getting paid like a tier 1 player…..actually we have several of those around here

no need to make it just about the Qb

Funny ain't it......when the mantra of the kid is to not pay good players like great ones....

Unless the old man knows and likes them personally that is.

Really, this extreme hands on Jerry crap costs the team in many ways....and he is never gonna get that.

 

[shabazz]

Funny ain't it......when the mantra of the kid is to not pay good players like great ones....

Unless the old man knows and likes them personally that is.

Really, this extreme hands on Jerry crap costs the team in many ways....and he is never gonna get that.

I know it happens on other teams too but we are so damn good at doing it. We might be the best in the league at it…..let’s see if Cooper, Gregory and Lawrence are let go, restructured or something and if Zeke is cut after next season……good times

 

[TheMarathonContinues]

if you have a tier2 guy, which we do, then you need strong supporting cast, which starts with strong running game, for that you need to have the OL and scheme and the will to run the ball. in fact if we do, then Dak can excel since he has shown he is very good in Play action. plus a good OL, will force teams to rush with more players and blitz to create pressure, which he has also shown he can be good against. its when the opposing teams rushed with 4, still generated pressure and dropped 7 into coverage is when he struggled....so it starts and ends with building a good OL. that's where our investments should go

I think you need a strong supporting cast with a tier 1 guy as well.

 

[ChuckA1]

Many fans like to lump QB’s into two tiers, elite or not good enough, when in reality there’s three.

(Not going to list all the individuals, just going to give rough numbers on how many fit in each)

Tier 1-Elite/Future HOFer: 6-7 QB’s

Tier 2-Varying levels of good: 9-10 QB’s

Tier 3- Average to below average: 14-15 QB’s

Now when it comes to building a SB team, most people think having a tier 1 guy is the only way to do it. Although it definitely makes it easier, there are other ways to build SB contenders. Keep in mind every QB no matter what tier he falls in needs a certain level of roster and coaching help, while those in tier 1 need less help and those in tier 3 need the most help.

In terms of the Cowboys, we have a tier two guy. Whether you think he’s at the tip top of tier 2 or somewhere in the middle, the vast majority of us know that Dak is not elite but is not below average either. Guys like Dak, Carr, Wentz, Tannehill, Cousins, and Jimmy G have moments and games where they can perform at an elite level; but a lack of high end consistency relegates them to a tier 2 role.

So the question becomes, in the position we are in now, how do we move forward to building the best team possible? Again, although a tier 1 guy solves a lot of issues, tier 2 guys can and have made and won SB’s albeit usually with more help.

There are only 6-7 elite QB’s in the world, if your only plan to build a winner is to find one of those good luck as the odds are not in your favor. You need either a top 10ish pick or an extreme stroke of luck. Put that out of your minds now, we will not be bad enough to pick that high without major injury and you can’t plan for luck. Trading up would be costly and would require we pick the right guy, which the odds are extremely low that we do.

So how do we build a contender with a tier 2 guy? You follow the niners blueprint. Run the ball at a high level, allow your QB to thrive in play action and in situations where the defenses must show their hand. Defined reads, ability to scheme guys open, and allowing the QB to complement the offense as opposed to being the center of it. Add in a strong defense and coaching and you’ve got yourself a tough team that can win and win big.

Trying to change the QB situation is extremely risky, as odds are overwhelmingly low that we can draft or trade for someone in tier 1 with where we draft and salary cap implications around the league. But with the roster we have so far as well as our ability to draft well, pivoting to winning the way tier 2 guys do is the better move.

This defense is not far away from being a top 8ish unit while the offense has plenty of pieces. One more interior D and Olineman, another LB, and one or two more auxiliary pieces like a blocking TE or better FS is what we need to have the roster at the level it needs to be to play the way we need to.

I say all this to set up the focal point of the post, we are not far at all from having the roster necessary to be a true contender. But we must pivot schematically to give us the best chance possible. We can’t build a team in Kansas City’s image, we must build one in San Francisco’s.

And for those who will bring up the salary of our QB, please stop shaking your fist at the sky and complaining about a market that’s out of anyone’s control. QB’s will get paid high amounts from now until the end of time. Unless owners get together and plan to create a salary range for tier 2 QB’s, they will be paid elite money when their time is up next. But as of now, don’t expect to see only 5-6 guys paid high while the rest of the league recycles QB’s until they luck into an elite guy, no franchise is going to do that. After 2-3 years each guy gets overlapped by 3-4 more. Dak’s 3rd highest paid status will be 8th or 9th in a year or two, much more commensurate with his ranking.

If the team focuses on making these schematic changes, this team can be a true contender. Unfortunately, I have zero faith that the two pass happy guys running our offense will see it that way. Regardless, we aren’t too far away, but we must take the right path forward. If we keep scheming and creating the identity of a team with tier 1 QB play we will come up short. Again, you can win with tier 2 play but it must be built correctly and you must know who you are.

Long thread but it sums up how I feel we should move forward and it’s gonna be slow on here for a while so why not take some time and read lol.

The question I have is how many of the high dollar free agents can they / do they resign? Will the defense be better next year due to the draft and FA or will it be worse due to attrition?

 

[shabazz]

I think you need a strong supporting cast with a tier 1 guy as well.

…..that’s why we need to keep the punter

 

[FiveSuperBowls]

Garrett built a strong offense line and running attack, the problem was Marineli and Jerry refusing to bring in a strong DT and a top safety.

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

I think you need a strong supporting cast with a tier 1 guy as well.

perhaps not as strong. the notion that any QB puts the team on their back is totally false....every QB needs a supporting cast, its what you do with the cast once you have it. tampa is case and point, Winston got the team to 7-9. same cast pretty much and they won a superbowl with Brady....

 

[DonaldM]

If garrapolo wins I guess we can rethink this ...I doubt he will. Pretty sure Rams can outscore them. Yes, guaranteed.