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morasp said:
What do guys think is a dominant run stuffing DT worthy of a late first round pick?

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Im hot and cold on Davis. Cant make up my mind. 24 might be rich, but I dont see not being a quality contributor either. If he can Payne or Tomlinson in the passing game, that should be enough.

With Quinn remaining, at 6'6 he should have the length to play some at that 4i spot Quinn likes to use ala Red Bryant.
 
For me the answer is YES. Depending on who is there.....pick him up at 24. Can bring that D up a level.
 
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beware_d-ware said:
Yeah, and he's been a pretty average player at the NFL level. Washington wouldn't take him top 15 in a redraft. He probably goes 2nd round.
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Vea had 15 TFL's his college career. Even with the 11 sacks thats still well below 1 a game. 2 gap DT's arent going to get that kind of splash production
 
morasp said:
What do guys think is a dominant run stuffing DT worthy of a late first round pick?

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I we had quality 3 tech on the roster I would take a chance on Davis. The guy is load and he will eat up blockers. I think he will be there at 24. The problem is the only teams we would need him for are San Francisco, the Ravens, Tennessee, and Philadelphia.
 
bewp7 said:
idk

can he be a 3 down player or just 2?
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It’s to be seen.

Good teams figured out how to keep him off the field. Any 3rd down conversion they went hurry up to keep him off the field. This could be problematic against a team like Philly with Hurts

Now this was Alabama in the SEC Championship so easier said than done.

But it’s something to ponder. But that’s why Dan Quinn is a defensive genius and we are all scouting from home lol. If he’s the pick, I fully trust Quinn will know how to use him.
 
beware_d-ware said:
Yeah, and he's been a pretty average player at the NFL level. Washington wouldn't take him top 15 in a redraft. He probably goes 2nd round.
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Lol?

They absolutely would and I would too.

The impact of a quality NT is not going to be shown in a box score/stat sheet.

Vince Wilfork played in 189 games and registered just 39 TFL for his career and never more than 8 in a season.
 
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What was the main reason we lost to the Rams and 49ers in our last two playoff games? Can’t stop the run. You get this guy and he helps keep teams to 3rd and long. “ he’s only a two down player” is BS. Go tell the Bucs with VEA.
 
CalPolyTechnique said:
Lol?

They absolutely would and I would too.

The impact of a quality NT is not going to be shown in a box score/stat sheet.

Vince Wilfork played in 189 games and registered just 39 TFL for his career and never more than 8 in a season.
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Compare Payne to the guys drafted right after him. Derwin James, Kolton Miller, Jaire Alexander. The latter two have already signed extensions for $18M a season, and James is going to break the bank when he hits the open market. By comparison, Dalvin Tomlinson and A'Shawn Robinson, who were sort of the previous NT models out of Saban's NFL factory, both signed contracts worth $10M a season. We'll see what Payne makes on the open market, but I'm guessing it's something similar.

Heck, I know Payne won't make that much because I can look at his teammate Jon Allen. Allen makes $18M a year, and he provided twice the hits and twice the sacks that Payne did while drawing more double teams in pass pro.

Payne's a good player who could start on half the league's teams easy, but there's a limit to how much value stuffers provide. You just don't draft them if there's say a quality DB or LT available.

It's sort of like drafting Zeke #4 overall. Yeah he can/could ball, but you are paying $7M a season to a guy who's really worth $15M on his second deal (and that's in the eyes of Jerry). If you draft Jalen Ramsey, you're paying $7M to a guy who is really worth $21M. Get the more valuable guy on your team.
 
Gaede said:
This is the kind of player we need. He's not a star. But the work he does allows others to be the stars. But whether that's worth a first, I'm not sure. There should be some good talent still available there
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we know what the cowboys think though,they will not even consider a NT in the 1st Rd.
 
I wouldn't be that upset if we don't draft a DT early this year. Not really that high on some of the higher-rated DT's this class. Don't feel comfortable pulling the trigger on Davis in the 1st round. We do have a lot of young DT's already on the team. Just have to hope some of them come on next year.

This is a good draft for ILB's & DE's. Would rather lean towards those positions this year.
 
beware_d-ware said:
Compare Payne to the guys drafted right after him. Derwin James, Kolton Miller, Jaire Alexander. The latter two have already signed extensions for $18M a season, and James is going to break the bank when he hits the open market. By comparison, Dalvin Tomlinson and A'Shawn Robinson, who were sort of the previous NT models out of Saban's NFL factory, both signed contracts worth $10M a season. We'll see what Payne makes on the open market, but I'm guessing it's something similar.

Heck, I know Payne won't make that much because I can look at his teammate Jon Allen. Allen makes $18M a year, and he provided twice the hits and twice the sacks that Payne did while drawing more double teams in pass pro.

Payne's a good player who could start on half the league's teams easy, but there's a limit to how much value stuffers provide. You just don't draft them if there's say a quality DB or LT available.

It's sort of like drafting Zeke #4 overall. Yeah he can/could ball, but you are paying $7M a season to a guy who's really worth $15M on his second deal (and that's in the eyes of Jerry). If you draft Jalen Ramsey, you're paying $7M to a guy who is really worth $21M. Get the more valuable guy on your team.
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This times a million…

Also the Vea comparison isn’t even close. I think he had like 25+ QB pressures in his last season at Wash.
 
beware_d-ware said:
Compare Payne to the guys drafted right after him. Derwin James, Kolton Miller, Jaire Alexander. The latter two have already signed extensions for $18M a season, and James is going to break the bank when he hits the open market. By comparison, Dalvin Tomlinson and A'Shawn Robinson, who were sort of the previous NT models out of Saban's NFL factory, both signed contracts worth $10M a season. We'll see what Payne makes on the open market, but I'm guessing it's something similar.

Heck, I know Payne won't make that much because I can look at his teammate Jon Allen. Allen makes $18M a year, and he provided twice the hits and twice the sacks that Payne did while drawing more double teams in pass pro.

Payne's a good player who could start on half the league's teams easy, but there's a limit to how much value stuffers provide. You just don't draft them if there's say a quality DB or LT available.

It's sort of like drafting Zeke #4 overall. Yeah he can/could ball, but you are paying $7M a season to a guy who's really worth $15M on his second deal (and that's in the eyes of Jerry). If you draft Jalen Ramsey, you're paying $7M to a guy who is really worth $21M. Get the more valuable guy on your team.
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I find this a bit confusing. Payne will get around 18m a season IMO which is pretty much in-line with the others. Tomlinson and A'shawn are not nearly as good as Payne.
 
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