Twitter: Wagner to Rams

[Cowboysheelsreds053]

Seems like he did pretty well for a guy representing himself.

hmmmmmm.......

I would do the same if a Professional, Wes Unseld with the then Washington Bullets personally said, I don’t need an agent h—- I can count money.

 

[fivetwos]

Correct. Bucs, Rams and likely Packers.

It seems when Dallas is up, it seems the NFC is way up. When we are down it seems the nfc and is down

Sure seems to me like they think they can afford to get worse this year.

 

[Sydla]

Thinking you can fix all of your problems in the draft is why this team hasn’t sniffed an NFCCG in 27 years. The fans that think this is normal and it’s all good and the cowboys are good and will be fine are part of the problem

One of the oddities with Ken is that when a game goes sideways and people put some blame on Dak, he laments the talent or the coaching. The WRs arent' good enough. They made too many mistakes. The OL failed Dak. The interior OL got destroyed.

But then the offseason comes around and he defends all the player acquisitions we made. I mean LOL at trying to argue that LG is in OK shape with McGovern. But if McGovern is our starting LG in 2022 and Dak struggles in a few games, you can bet your butt that Ken will be blaming McGovern and saying how the team needs to do a better job of surrounding Dak with better players.

 

[America's Cowboy]

As we know...5 yrs 50 million does not mean 10 million a year. It is something less than that with fluff added in.

Yes, sir. You're making my point against another poster.

 

[HanD]

I don't know how you can say that?

First, the offseason isn't done yet.
2nd, We still have a ton of talent on this team.
3, our defense can take another step this year.

We have a chance and the potential to win a Super Bowl. If the Bengals can make it there, we can.

Because for everything you said about the rams taking a step back and their losses the same is true for this team. Amari, cedrick wilson, Gallup and Cox from injury, lael, Gregory. We might have picks but we lost a lot of production and that isn't gonna be picked up by draft picks day 1. Do we have a shot, sure. We have a solid team and it only takes getting hot at the right time.

BUT the rams are better positioned in most people's minds from what has happened up to this point.

 

[Sydla]

I mean, Gregory is probably a little better but they are VERY comparable.

On a horrid defense last year, Fowler had 1.5 less sacks than Randy. 1.5.

Fowler has had 2 seasons better than anything Randy has ever done. He is also almost 2 years younger than him.


I personally will not be surprised at all if Fowler ends up having a much better season than Randy this year.

We can definitely find our LG in the draft, we can find a WR in the draft too. Both of those positions are deep.

They aren't comparable. Gregory is a better DE than Fowler. That's not to say Gregory was worth $70 million but right now the Cowboys took a step back at DE. It's bizarre to argue otherwise.

And sure, we can find a LG in the draft. Or a WR. Or a DT. Or a DE. Or a LB. But the odds of finding all five in one draft is slim to none. Hence why just bargain shopping for warm bodies never really solves any of this team's issues each season.

 

[CouchCoach]

"Could be worth". Base structure of the deal is still 5 years for $50 million = $10 million/year.

Could go up to 13M and the guarantee, the only part that really matters, hasn't been disclosed yet.

I don't know where this 11M for one year came from because the Rams would not have done this deal if that was fact.

Wagner is worth more to the Rams than the Cowboys because they already have a better defense and team than the Cowboys. They improve their own team while not letting another NFC team get him.

This is simple to me. You have the defending champion going all in to defend their title. That is a hell of a lot better than a team going for it and failing that hasn't won but 3 playoff games in 25 years.

Kronke and Snead don't care about what the media says about them and that's about all Booger cares about. And the money.

There is another element to this that the Cowboys do not have to deal with, LA. They might support a champ but look like they're losing steam, they will find other things to do like they always have.

 

[Ken]

Because for everything you said about the rams taking a step back and their losses the same is true for this team. Amari, cedrick wilson, Gallup and Cox from injury, lael, Gregory. We might have picks but we lost a lot of production and that isn't gonna be picked up by draft picks day 1. Do we have a shot, sure. We have a solid team and it only takes getting hot at the right time.

BUT the rams are better positioned in most people's minds from what has happened up to this point.

I don't disagree with you.

Everyone makes it sounds like "the rich getting richer" with the rams but they are probably about the same or worse.

The offseason isn't done yet. I will evaluate it closer to TC for the cowboys. Anyone who thinks FA is the way...just take a look at the signing s from last year. Busts all over the place.

 

[phildadon86]

Wagner was demanding $11 million at a minimum. Did the Rams sign him to $11 million or less? 5 years for $50 million does not come out to $11 million per year.

Where did you learn math? Who is actually wrong? Can't count?

Lol I was off by a million. You said he wouldn’t sign for anywhere close to 11. Jesus you’re narcissistic. You just can’t say someone else is right. Have fun with that.

 

[Sydla]

It's very simple.

The Cowboys team that visits the Star to workout today is worse than the one that left the field after losing to San Fran. Sure the offseason isn't over but at this point, if this team is to improve on what sulked off the field after that playoff loss, they are going to have to nail the draft and not just one pick. They are going to have nail three or four picks.

 

[phildadon86]

Could go up to 13M and the guarantee, the only part that really matters, hasn't been disclosed yet.

I don't know where this 11M for one year came from because the Rams would not have done this deal if that was fact.

Wagner is worth more to the Rams than the Cowboys because they already have a better defense and team than the Cowboys. They improve their own team while not letting another NFC team get him.

This is simple to me. You have the defending champion going all in to defend their title. That is a hell of a lot better than a team going for it and failing that hasn't won but 3 playoff games in 25 years.

Kronke and Snead don't care about what the media says about them and that's about all Booger cares about. And the money.

There is another element to this that the Cowboys do not have to deal with, LA. They might support a champ but look like they're losing steam, they will find other things to do like they always have.

Thanks for the help.

 

[Sydla]

I don't disagree with you.

Everyone makes it sounds like "the rich getting richer" with the rams but they are probably about the same or worse.

The offseason isn't done yet. I will evaluate it closer to TC for the cowboys. Anyone who thinks FA is the way...just take a look at the signing s from last year. Busts all over the place.

Most people argue there is a solid middle ground between just going balls to the wall in FA and doing what the Cowboys do which is go bargain shopping for JAGs hoping to get lucky. But guys like you argue as if it's an either or situation - either blow up your cap in FA or do what Dallas does. It most certainly is not.

They could have signed ZaDarius Smith for a decent sum. Sure, it would be a financial commitment but they would have ended up with a player who is arguably better than Gregory and allows them to not have to come out of this draft with a quality DE prospect. Or they could have signed one of the big name OGs in FA. That would then have given them the flexibility to not have to come away with a starting OG to improve their interior OL.

But instead, they nickel and dime and while they brought in "bodies" at all these positions they acquired no player that locks down a position. So while they signed Fowler at DE and Washington at WR and brought LVE back at LB, guess what? All three of those positions are still high needs for the team.

 

[Ken]

They aren't comparable. Gregory is a better DE than Fowler. That's not to say Gregory was worth $70 million but right now the Cowboys took a step back at DE. It's bizarre to argue otherwise.

And sure, we can find a LG in the draft. Or a WR. Or a DT. Or a DE. Or a LB. But the odds of finding all five in one draft is slim to none. Hence why just bargain shopping for warm bodies never really solves any of this team's issues each season.

I don't think it is bizarre at all. I just said he is younger and has had multiple season better than anything Randy has ever done while being two years younger.

I will have to go thru Fowlers year last year and evaluate it to know for sure.

It was kind of like when we lost Demarco Murray to the Eagles. Every here was jumping off buildings and i was saying he was a hotrible fit in Philly run and shoot offense and I actually went thru and watched every one of McFadden's carries in Oakland.

What did i see? I saw a guy get hit in the backfield or have to make a guy miss on almost every play.

I saw a guy who still had his burst. I said he would be better than Murray that year.

What happened? McFadden was 4th in the league in rushing in10 games.

 

[CouchCoach]

All the pressure is on LA to stay on top and there is absolutely 0 pressure on the Cowboys. They will continue to sell out and lead in revenue regardless. The Rams also play in the toughest, by far, division in the NFC.

Keeping their band together was far more important than Dallas and they knew they couldn't keep all of them but they had to show the fans they were not holding back and I think that's exactly what they've shown them.

If it doesn't work out, doesn't matter, the perception is they pulled out all the stops. Is that the perception with the fans of the Cowboys?

They can address the needs in the draft and the lower level of FA's but other than Parsons, who was a real standout in 2021 in that draft class? Now, they might step up this year but they were not there last year. And 2022 is the point with the OL, DL, LB's and WR's.

 

[Gaede]

It's very simple.

The Cowboys team that visits the Star to workout today is worse than the one that left the field after losing to San Fran. Sure the offseason isn't over but at this point, if this team is to improve on what sulked off the field after that playoff loss, they are going to have to nail the draft and not just one pick. They are going to have nail three or four picks.

And there's no chance that happens. We will need two or three guys to play like Parsons. We're lucky to even have him!!

They looked at last year's losing team and intentionally made it worse. The Rams looked at last year's super bowl winning team and made it better.

Imagine we run into these guys in the playoffs. How could we possibly compete? Then again, will we even make the playoffs? We should because our division is a garbage pit. But we've done NOTHING to widen the gap between us and them

 

[IceStar-D7]

Serves us right as Dallas Cowboy fans. We serve them top steaks. While Jerry and Stephen serve us baloney with week old fries. I'm getting to the point where I really don't care what they do anymore. Why waste your time? When the season is lost before it even begins? Thus is the life of Cowboy fans when your team is ran by BUFFOON'S.

 

[Sydla]

I don't think it is bizarre at all. I just said he is younger and has had multiple season better than anything Randy has ever done while being two years younger.

I will have to go thru Fowlers year last year and evaluate it to know for sure.

It was kind of like when we lost Demarco Murray to the Eagles. Every here was jumping off buildings and i was saying he was a hotrible fit in Philly run and shoot offense and I actually went thru and watched every one of McFadden's carries in Oakland.

What did i see? I saw a guy get hit in the backfield or have to make a guy miss on almost every play.

I saw a guy who still had his burst. I said he would be better than Murray that year.

What happened? McFadden was 4th in the league in rushing in10 games.

And yet every offseason you talk about how smart the Cowboys are being and every season they fall on their face. It can't just be bad luck year after year. There's a reason they have 3 playoff wins in 25 years. It's not bad luck. Or anything like that. It's that the Jones simply never have a cohesive plan that they stick to in order to build a competent roster and coaching staff.

So great, they didn't sign Murray. That was actually smart. But what happened? A year later they panicked and used the 4th pick on a TB. That was dumb. Then they compounded that problem a few years after that by making said TB the highest paid running back in NFL history.

They simply don't know how to build a competent roster and it shows in the results. They are stubborn and think what they are doing is smart despite the results consistently being middling. But people keep defending them each offseason so I guess that just helps them believe they are smarter than most other teams.

 

[CouchCoach]

There is one overriding fact that is not being discussed about Dallas and all of these other teams. Dallas is the one team that doesn't have to win, doesn't have to improve and doesn't have to do anything to stay in the discussion because the talking heads are talking about what Dallas isn't doing.

Booger wins regardless and some don't seem to grasp that. Mainly because there's not another one like this in the history of professional sports. We just happen to be the unfortunate captive fans of that team.

Oh, I see some escaping, running for the hills but they'll be back when it's football time.

 

[FVSTONE]

Hey JJ what happen to that $90 million you had earmarked for Gregory??????? Sure could have used a pinch of that cash for a stout LB who's play would have freed up Parsons to line up on the D-Line. Please tell us all when you plan to pull that rabbit out of your hat, all of Cowboy Nation is waiting!

 

[MWH1967]

Oh well, Conservative it is.