Why Hasn't Dalton Shultz Signed A Long Term Contract Yet

[kskboys]

In the end.....I don't like Schultz as a player, but I can see why they tagged him.

It's pretty clear they want to find a long term starter in the upcoming draft, and thats not at all a bad play considering the depth at that position this year.

I just think there's nothing special to Schultz' game.

If he had say, 48 catches instead of 78, would people feel differently in general? Probably. The impressive part is the 78.

At least the 30 difference were dump offs, probably much more.....and I just don't see that as being something any average guy named McKeon couldn't also do.

So....as far as I'm concerned, Dak can have his blankie for one more year since the run game likely won't improve anyway for 2022 with hairy boy still chugging around at TB.

I believe you're underrating the ability to get open in the short areas of the field. Schultz is a seam buster like Witten.

Now, he does need to block better, no doubt. What is it that you don't like about him? He's a hardnosed player w/ very quick feet and a knack for getting open and has a very nice YAC ability. I really don't understand.

 

[G2]

I believe you're underrating the ability to get open in the short areas of the field. Schultz is a seam buster like Witten.

Now, he does need to block better, no doubt. What is it that you don't like about him? He's a hardnosed player w/ very quick feet and a knack for getting open and has a very nice YAC ability. I really don't understand.

He proved me wrong when availability alone put him in games. Yeah, he needs to block better, but when we nit-pick about our TE because the O line is iffy..........

 

[fivetwos]

I believe you're underrating the ability to get open in the short areas of the field. Schultz is a seam buster like Witten.

Now, he does need to block better, no doubt. What is it that you don't like about him? He's a hardnosed player w/ very quick feet and a knack for getting open and has a very nice YAC ability. I really don't understand.

Yeah I'm not gonna argue over it.

First....the blocking thing isn't about point of attack....he doesn't get to his man at all far too frequently. Now....I'm willing to concede that the scheme is asking him to do something he isnt capable of, but that's gotta be part of it all as far as team building.

I just don't see what you do as far as downfield skills, but I also can't sit here and say I've studied it on all 22, which almost has to be done to be accurate.

In the end I'd call it moot because it seems like they want a one year bridge while they draft a future starter this year.

 

[kskboys]

Yeah I'm not gonna argue over it.

First....the blocking thing isn't about point of attack....he doesn't get to his man at all far too frequently. Now....I'm willing to concede that the scheme is asking him to do something he isnt capable of, but that's gotta be part of it all as far as team building.

I just don't see what you do as far as downfield skills, but I also can't sit here and say I've studied it on all 22, which almost has to be done to be accurate.

In the end I'd call it moot because it seems like they want a one year bridge while they draft a future starter this year.

Downfield? I'm not getting the relevance. He's a chain mover, a short area threat. LAR just won a super bowl w/ that type WR as their primary.

 

[fivetwos]

Downfield? I'm not getting the relevance. He's a chain mover, a short area threat. LAR just won a super bowl w/ that type WR as their primary.

A matchup problem.....from a defensive point of view....

He may either outrun our LB or a safety can't handle him.

Which would you say he is closer to......keeping DCs up at night or being basically neglected like Witten in his final seasons because he can't do much damage?

He just isn't a 10m plus TE because he has catch numbers. Anyone can catch dump offs.

He isnt awful, just isn't a top TE. He wouldn't be here if Jarwin panned out.

For us right now, we need to get this run game fixed, and when your starting TE is a liability in the run game, that's not a step in the right direction.

 

[Cowpolk]

He has been reading the forums and yawl have convinced him that he sucks.

 

[kskboys]

A matchup problem.....from a defensive point of view....

He may either outrun our LB or a safety can't handle him.

Which would you say he is closer to......keeping DCs up at night or being basically neglected like Witten in his final seasons because he can't do much damage?

He just isn't a 10m plus TE because he has catch numbers. Anyone can catch dump offs.

He isnt awful, just isn't a top TE. He wouldn't be here if Jarwin panned out.

For us right now, we need to get this run game fixed, and when your starting TE is a liability in the run game, that's not a step in the right direction.

They really can't. His ability to create separation sets him apart.

Neither. He is a chain moving TE who will make you pay if you don't pay enough attention to him.

Jarwin wasn't very good. He was a one trick pony, and wasn't good at anything else.

Why do you think all TE's have to be a downfield threat? Cincy's isn't. Kupp isn't.

I mean, you gotta have chain movers, right? TOP?

 

[fivetwos]

They really can't. His ability to create separation sets him apart.

Neither. He is a chain moving TE who will make you pay if you don't pay enough attention to him.

Jarwin wasn't very good. He was a one trick pony, and wasn't good at anything else.

Why do you think all TE's have to be a downfield threat? Cincy's isn't. Kupp isn't.

I mean, you gotta have chain movers, right? TOP?

Yes I agree in theory and can see why you (and you're not alone) would think that way.

I guess I haven't been clear in our exchange here, because I wrongfully assume people recall my overall point of view from other threads lol. My fault.

I think....in fact I know.....Schultz is a pure liability in the run game. Not just not good....he is terrible.

And I know that the thing we need to do first and foremost is fix this run game, so paying him 11m when we are cheap doesn't add up for me.

That's the most of it.

He isnt giving me a Kittle/Kelce matchup nightmare to the point where I'm willing to live with a bad run blocker when I have a QB that desperately needs a solid run game.

I'm just trying to fix the team in my own head as many of us are lol. It ain't gonna happen in most cases. Jerry and kid have their own plan.

 

[kskboys]

Yes I agree in theory and can see why you (and you're not alone) would think that way.

I guess I haven't been clear in our exchange here, because I wrongfully assume people recall my overall point of view from other threads lol. My fault.

I think....in fact I know.....Schultz is a pure liability in the run game. Not just not good....he is terrible.

And I know that the thing we need to do first and foremost is fix this run game, so paying him 11m when we are cheap doesn't add up for me.

That's the most of it.

He isnt giving me a Kittle/Kelce matchup nightmare to the point where I'm willing to live with a bad run blocker when I have a QB that desperately needs a solid run game.

I'm just trying to fix the team in my own head as many of us are lol. It ain't gonna happen in most cases. Jerry and kid have their own plan.

Couldn't agree more. I also started w/ the caveat that he MUST improve as a blocker.

I don't mind the franchise tag so much, because we can start looking to replace him after this season. I really am looking at 2023, and I hope this org is also. You can fix a ton of things in two offseasons, but you won't get much of anything fixed if you keep on buying bandaids.

 

[CouchCoach]

Who knows if he wants a long term deal at this point?

He can make almost 11M this year after emerging as a name last season and this team lost its #1WR and #3 and the #2 is questionable as to when he will return. Does he stand to get more or less targets this season? He is as critical to the QB as Lamb is and he knows it.

He sure jumped on that tag quick enough and while they think they'll get him for cheap, he and his agent might have other ideas.

As far as that blocking goes, most teams could care less, it is a passing league and he is a top 5 TE in it.

 

[OmerV]

Yes I agree in theory and can see why you (and you're not alone) would think that way.

I guess I haven't been clear in our exchange here, because I wrongfully assume people recall my overall point of view from other threads lol. My fault.

I think....in fact I know.....Schultz is a pure liability in the run game. Not just not good....he is terrible.

And I know that the thing we need to do first and foremost is fix this run game, so paying him 11m when we are cheap doesn't add up for me.

That's the most of it.

He isnt giving me a Kittle/Kelce matchup nightmare to the point where I'm willing to live with a bad run blocker when I have a QB that desperately needs a solid run game.

I'm just trying to fix the team in my own head as many of us are lol. It ain't gonna happen in most cases. Jerry and kid have their own plan.

How many TE's give you a Kittle/Kelce Vibe? Being below that level doesn't mean a player isn't worth holding on to and paying well. Schultz isn't going to make their kind of money anyway.

 

[CouchCoach]

How many TE's give you a Kittle/Kelce Vibe? Being below that level doesn't mean a player isn't worth holding on to and paying well. Schultz isn't going to make their kind of money anyway.

I don't compare him to the best but to the middle level and he's better than that.

 

[kskboys]

Who knows if he wants a long term deal at this point?

He can make almost 11M this year after emerging as a name last season and this team lost its #1WR and #3 and the #2 is questionable as to when he will return. Does he stand to get more or less targets this season? He is as critical to the QB as Lamb is and he knows it.

He sure jumped on that tag quick enough and while they think they'll get him for cheap, he and his agent might have other ideas.

As far as that blocking goes, most teams could care less, it is a passing league and he is a top 5 TE in it.

11 mil is retirement money. He understands that. Many don't appear to.

 

[atlantacowboy]

There's no way he's playing this year under the franchise tag 10.9 million.. He isn't worth it. From his point of view it's 10.9 million guaranteed for one year, He can bet on himself and get paid again next year. Dallas can A. sign him and get the cap hit down. B. Draft a replacement C. Sign or trade for another TE. Then rescind the tag.

We have judged him to be a top 5 TE. Would you rather pay him for one year and see if he can duplicate his good year or give him a long term deal based on his best season ever?

 

[kskboys]

We have judged him to be a top 5 TE. Would you rather pay him for one year and see if he can duplicate his good year or give him a long term deal based on his best season ever?

I criticize this org all the time. However, franchising Shultz was 100% the right move. Beyond any doubt.

1. Exactly as you said, let's see if he can do it again. And get better at blocking while he's at it!!!!!!!!
2. We have no one on the roster who can even come close to doing what he does, getting open consistently.

 

[baltcowboy]

In the end.....I don't like Schultz as a player, but I can see why they tagged him.

It's pretty clear they want to find a long term starter in the upcoming draft, and thats not at all a bad play considering the depth at that position this year.

I just think there's nothing special to Schultz' game.

If he had say, 48 catches instead of 78, would people feel differently in general? Probably. The impressive part is the 78.

At least the 30 difference were dump offs, probably much more.....and I just don't see that as being something any average guy named McKeon couldn't also do.

So....as far as I'm concerned, Dak can have his blankie for one more year since the run game likely won't improve anyway for 2022 with hairy boy still chugging around at TB.

A long term starter with a 3rd/4th round pick?Sounds like you want another Schultz. I don’t think there is one player in the draft that is as good as Mckeon let alone Shultz right now.

 

[kskboys]

A long term starter with a 3rd/4th round pick?Sounds like you want another Schultz. I don’t think there is one player in the draft that is as good as Mckeon let alone Shultz right now.

Yeah, this is a very bad draft for TE's. And what Schultz does is monumentally tougher and more rare than so many realize.

 

[zrinkill]

Why would he?
Guy is an average NFL tightend and is gonna be payed like a top guy.

It's like he won the lottery with this ******* front office.

 

[CowboysExchange]

Yeah, this is a very bad draft for TE's. And what Schultz does is monumentally tougher and more rare than so many realize.

it's right there on YouTube ksk. He's catching rinky dink wide open screen passes on 1st and 2nd down. He's got some decent racs. But it's way more about scheme than talent.

He played "Monumental" against Philly for 4 tds in those 2 blowout games we won by 50 points. The other 4 tds in 16 games counting playoffs were mediocre.

Most of those balls were 3-5 yard non contested gimme catches that any te in the League could catch.

He did catch a few seam passes and a few contested passes that were pretty good.

But he's still not a clutch te in the 4th quarter or in the red zone. And he isn't a good blocker.

I wouldn't consider Schultz a good security blanket on 3rd down or in the 4th quarter at all. He goes cold in the 4th quarter.

He also went a 9 game streak with only 1 TD. And only had 2 tds in 12 games against non Division rivals counting the playoff game.

There were 5 tes in fa making 5 million or less 6 including Gronk who made like 10 million

Cook was there at 5 million and he's way better than Schultz by a longshot imo. I went on record to pick him up 2-3 yrs ago when he left the raiders btw and he dominated that year.

Rudolph and Howard were there. I don't have the list but there was a few more.

Could any of them have performed at Schultz level (6 tds) against the NFC east last year??? Or 2 tds against the other 12 teams???

Is Schultz a big enough differencemaker to our overall success as a team to warrant paying him 5.8 -7 million over Cook, Rudolph or Howard???

I don't think any team woulda picked up Schultz for 10 million a year based upon how we use our tes regardless of his stats. No teams are gonna overtarget a mediocre checkdown te like us.

That's why those other mediocre 5 million dollar non game changing tes don't have 70 catches. Btw. It's a losing formula

 

[FVSTONE]

There's no way he's playing this year under the franchise tag 10.9 million.. He isn't worth it. From his point of view it's 10.9 million guaranteed for one year, He can bet on himself and get paid again next year. Dallas can A. sign him and get the cap hit down. B. Draft a replacement C. Sign or trade for another TE. Then rescind the tag.

I think JJ's reasoning at this point is he's been burned so many times lately with these off the wall contracts that he would rather be cap poor than pay another player big bucks anymore.