I'm not saying Dak is better than Mahomes

[SteveTheCowboy]

Yeah, I didn't think you were looking for an honest discussion. Have a great day!

I think you were the guy that admitted to openly trolling as many people as possible as often as possible.

"honest conversation".....lol. You are actually a funny guy in some aspect after all.

 

[G2]

I think you were the guy that admitted to openly trolling as many people as possible as often as possible.

"

When?

 

[Vtwin]

Yeah, I didn't think you were looking for an honest discussion. Have a great day!

LOL. And you were?

 

[G2]

LOL. And you were?

Ok, have a garbage day then.

 

[DogFace]

This is the most recent I could fine. It is from after the Arizona game last year.

I don't like giving the QB W/L personally, but they chose to use that, so yeah. They did show the difference in TD/INT ratio when compared to bad teams vs good teams.

"Against the NFC East, he's 16-2. It's easily the worst division in the league. He's 14-20 against everybody else. Against the NFC East, he's a Pro Bowler, he's got a 109 quarterback rating. Against everybody else, he's a guy, not terrible, but a B/B+ guy. The last four seasons, against teams with winning records, he's 8-17. That's just .500 or better, and the TD-INT ratio is insane against bad teams (41-24 vs. teams over .500; 52-9 vs. teams under .500)."

"Is Kirk Cousins in a slump, or does he occasionally have really good Sundays, but against good teams, he just is what he is? That's where I am with Dak. Kirk Cousins is a B to B+ guy, Dak is a B to B+ guy. By the way, that's with good weapons, competent tight ends, star receivers, the No. 1 offensive line for some of those years, better-than-average running backs. Now they've got a good defense. So with four years of data, is it a slump, or is he just not a guy that can carry a team against good teams?"

Ok then you have Dak about where most of us do. But you seem like you hate him more than anyone except Pappy.

What is your solution at QB if we move on. Many can’t miss prospects never get to his level so there’s plenty of risk in drafting a QB as we know. Are you saying we can’t win like we want to with him?

If you were GM how would you handle it.

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

Ok then you have Dak about where most of us do. But you seem like you hate him more than anyone except Pappy.

What is your solution at QB if we move on. Many can’t miss prospects never get to his level so there’s plenty of risk in drafting a QB as we know. Are you saying we can’t win like we want to with him?

If you were GM how would you handle it.

that's one of the issues that fails to be discussed. most of the pundits have failed to provide alternatives that would clearly make us better at QB and as a team. they mention the salary, but that hasn't hampered us. some say we should tank and go through draft, and as I have mentioned that maybe the route we have to go, but 4 out of 5 first round QBs fail and a higher percentage in other rounds. so what cycle are we going to get into. so is it easier go that route, or is it easier to build a team around Dak? do we have the leadership that can do that. its been done before wents/foles, dilfer, johnson, goff, newton, flacco, grossman, hasselback, Delhomme, chandler, Gannon etc. are all QBs who either made it to the superbowl or won it. so its not like its not doable. Dak maybe better than some of those guys, equal or slightly below them. so IMHO, its easier to build a team around Dak that can get there. I don't care if he gets credit or not (I suppose dak haters don't want give him credit), but its about cowboys winning the superbowl. I have no emotions one way or the other about it...

the big question is do we have the ownership/GM that can put a team together and a culture that makes it happen. if not, then even Mahomes or Brady or Rodgers wouldnt' win one here. and that's the root of the problem

 

[SteveTheCowboy]

Ok then you have Dak about where most of us do. But you seem like you hate him more than anyone except Pappy.

What is your solution at QB if we move on. Many can’t miss prospects never get to his level so there’s plenty of risk in drafting a QB as we know. Are you saying we can’t win like we want to with him?

If you were GM how would you handle it.

I think it's compounded by these trolls that hound him incessantly...."for fun".

 

[MountaineerCowboy]

Ok then you have Dak about where most of us do. But you seem like you hate him more than anyone except Pappy.

What is your solution at QB if we move on. Many can’t miss prospects never get to his level so there’s plenty of risk in drafting a QB as we know. Are you saying we can’t win like we want to with him?

If you were GM how would you handle it.

I didn't write the bolded part. It's quoted from an article. It's not my opinion as I do not believe Dak is a B/B+ QB. That's too good.

I don't believe Dak is a top 10 QB. I believe he is somewhere between 14-16ish range.

There is no solution right now because he's under contract. We're stuck for a few years, but what I would do in the meantime is draft a QB in the 1st round next year (reports are as many as six 1st round QB talents next year), rebuild the team around Dak, by the time Dak's contract is up have a solid foundation in place for the new QB to take over, whether it's that 1st rounder we draft if you want to go that route (Farve/Rodgers situation), a trade (like the Rams did with Stafford), or FA signing (Brady with the Bucs).

I believe the only way we win a Super Bowl with Dak would be with a great defense and dominate run game. We have a decent defense, not great defense, but we're set on being a pass heavy team it seems, so there goes that plan.

If we have 6 teams on our schedule that are considered "top teams" Dak MIGHT play well against 2 of them. He's wildly inconsistent, but leans much more towards to bad side, against the better teams in the league. We need better than that. If we're a Wild Card team we'd need to beat 4 playoff level teams in a row to win the Super Bowl. Do you honestly trust Dak to play well 4 games in a row against playoff teams? I don't think anybody would trust that, they might say they do, but talk is cheap.

 

[SteveTheCowboy]

When?

SO we're gonna play THAT game eh?

I said "I think"....you could have just admitted or denied it. Admitting would save us a lot of time. Denying would make me go look should I find the need to prove it.. Fun and games, yea!

 

[SteveTheCowboy]

that's one of the issues that fails to be discussed. most of the pundits have failed to provide alternatives that would clearly make us better at QB and as a team. they mention the salary, but that hasn't hampered us. some say we should tank and go through draft, and as I have mentioned that maybe the route we have to go, but 4 out of 5 first round QBs fail and a higher percentage in other rounds. so what cycle are we going to get into. so is it easier go that route, or is it easier to build a team around Dak? do we have the leadership that can do that. its been done before wents/foles, dilfer, johnson, goff, newton, flacco, grossman, hasselback, Delhomme, chandler, Gannon etc. are all QBs who either made it to the superbowl or won it. so its not like its not doable. Dak maybe better than some of those guys, equal or slightly below them. so IMHO, its easier to build a team around Dak that can get there. I don't care if he gets credit or not (I suppose dak haters don't want give him credit), but its about cowboys winning the superbowl. I have no emotions one way or the other about it...

the big question is do we have the ownership/GM that can put a team together and a culture that makes it happen. if not, then even Mahomes or Brady or Rodgers wouldnt' win one here. and that's the root of the problem

If we had to solve each and every criticism we make...boy that wouldn't get far fast!

Unless you're running a company, country, or even the floor...not sure you HAVE to come with a solution to a problem you found.

I don't object harshly. I say the same thing to people demanding players match their production with their contract. I'm like "well what do you propose to do about it?".

And it's also true well what do we actually do about ANYthing here.

 

[G2]

SO we're gonna play THAT game eh?

I said "I think"....you could have just admitted or denied it. Admitting would save us a lot of time. Denying would make me go look should I find the need to prove it.. Fun and games, yea!

I asked because I don't remember. I didn't deny anything. And why would I? Because YOU said something on the internet? Lmao. No.

 

[SteveTheCowboy]

I asked because I don't remember. I didn't deny anything. And why would I? Because YOU said something on the internet? Lmao. No.

No...not because *I* said anything. You "don't remember" what you do....lol. Funny guy.

 

[MountaineerCowboy]

No...not because *I* said anything. You "don't remember" what you do....lol. Funny guy.

Come on, give him some slack.

How can he possibly remember what he says when all of his time, focus, and energy is on what I say?

 

[CouchCoach]

We should feel proud. Only on the Zone can a poster admit the obvious, Prescott is not as good as Mahomes, and get 34 pages.

 

[Hagman]

We should feel proud. Only on the Zone can a poster admit the obvious, Prescott is not as good as Mahomes, and get 34 pages.

 

[Swagger]

Rodgers got the ball last vs us in 2016 otherwise that team could get to a Super Bowl! We can do this all day man. You're the only one getting riled up here lol

Rodgers got the ball last because Prescott butchered what should have been the final drive beforehand.

 

[Swagger]

That GB defense was allowing 400 plus yards in multiple games going into the playoffs, had third string CBs off the street and got walloped by Atlanta the next week and we were playing at home..

Aaron Rodgers carried that hobbled GB team into the playoffs while that defense sucked and nobody expected that GB team to even make the playoffs midway through the season.

Riled up? Dak hasn’t won anything.. Mahomes has multiple Sb appearances and AFC championship games.

that team definitely could have gotten to the SB of Romo was staring with that All pro OL and RG. But then we decided to start the guy who completely sucked and took a week to throw a TD in training camp in year 3.

Was it the worst pass defense the Cowboys have faced in the playoffs?

 

[Flamma]

Thank you for your comment, Star. I make the assumption that when I comment, even with a quote....I am talking to all of us, and comments are okay from others.

I actually do, if you recall, have some criticism for zeke. I did not support his holdout, immediate contract, nor the size of the contract. I'd hoped he'd honor the contract he signed. He came back out of shape, imo. I think he's gone through a few stretches of being easily tackled, but it appears he was effected by or protecting injuries.

I don;t expect him to be 2016 Zeke. Who is? Very few. I still think he is worthy NFL RB, that teams STILL game plan to stop.

I admit I have given you some grief for your zeke position, but end of the day, you are entitled to it. The difference here is you also allow mine. With MOSTLY good natured kidding of course.

I'm not a Zeke fan by any measure. But he held out for an extension, signing bonus money and guaranteed money in the future. At no point did he not honor his contract. He had to play out his 4th year and 5th year option before any extension began. He signed his extension after the 2018 season. His 6 year extension started in 2021.

 

[john van brocklin]

that's one of the issues that fails to be discussed. most of the pundits have failed to provide alternatives that would clearly make us better at QB and as a team. they mention the salary, but that hasn't hampered us. some say we should tank and go through draft, and as I have mentioned that maybe the route we have to go, but 4 out of 5 first round QBs fail and a higher percentage in other rounds. so what cycle are we going to get into. so is it easier go that route, or is it easier to build a team around Dak? do we have the leadership that can do that. its been done before wents/foles, dilfer, johnson, goff, newton, flacco, grossman, hasselback, Delhomme, chandler, Gannon etc. are all QBs who either made it to the superbowl or won it. so its not like its not doable. Dak maybe better than some of those guys, equal or slightly below them. so IMHO, its easier to build a team around Dak that can get there. I don't care if he gets credit or not (I suppose dak haters don't want give him credit), but its about cowboys winning the superbowl. I have no emotions one way or the other about it...

the big question is do we have the ownership/GM that can put a team together and a culture that makes it happen. if not, then even Mahomes or Brady or Rodgers wouldnt' win one here. and that's the root of the problem

Great observation!
It's easy to say dak sucks,
But unless you have a feasible alternative plan, what good is that?

 

[john van brocklin]

We should feel proud. Only on the Zone can a poster admit the obvious, Prescott is not as good as Mahomes, and get 34 pages.

Unbelievable isn't it?