PFT implies Watson punishment should be no more than Jerry, Kraft or Sydner

[Diehardblues]

well then you are too ignorant to understand the difference between motive and intent. If you kill someone, intent is clearly used to determine manslaughter, 1st, 2nd, 3rd degree murder. MOTIVE is not used for anything in that case, ZIP, NADA, NOTHING.... as far as punishment goes. They would use motive as a means of explaining to the jury why someone would commit such a crime. But in the case of hate crimes, the motive or reason someone committed a crime is actually used to enhance the sentence. So once again, before you call someone's knowledge on a topic showing some ignorance, you should know what the heck you are talking about.

You misread or misinterpreted my intention which was Motive and Intent are pertinent in different phases of the trial. Not just sentencing . That post seemed to want to dismiss any of these factors like in hate crimes you mentioned . Came off totally absurd to me using the analogies provided .

This current post of yours is more accurate .

 

[Diehardblues]

The question is guilt of what exactly? Clearly no crime. I think I will have to go look up some of the claims against him to get some specifics that have been reported.

Remember according to the NFL a crime or conviction isn’t necessary for a violation of Personal Conduct Policy.

And initally there were some crimes alleged. While there wasnt enough for two grand jury’s to indict the investigator stated there appeared to be instances where a crime was committed .

“ Houston police Detective Kamesha Baker, the lead investigator in the criminal investigation, told Buzbee in a deposition that she believed Watson had committed crimes in the 10 criminal complaints that had been filed against the quarterback. Baker also said that Watson’s conduct during the massage sessions was escalating in such a way she believed that he would commit even more serious crimes, according to the lawsuit.”
https://cw39.com/news/local/lawsuit-texans-turned-a-blind-eye-to-qb-watsons-actions/

 

[CouchCoach]

The question is guilt of what exactly? Clearly no crime. I think I will have to go look up some of the claims against him to get some specifics that have been reported.

According to the lead investigator, she did feel he had committed crimes and was growing bolder to the point of committing rape.

Watson is a serial offender and he needs professional help. He could actually think he’s done nothing wrong in his mind and it is perfectly permissible to ejaculate on women without their permission. He would not be the first serial sex offender that thought his victims deserved it.

 

[Diehardblues]

Cases are settled out of court all the time with no admission on the party that pays out the cash. It is simply a business decision and one in which was clearly in Watson's best interest to settle.

And I think we could argue that settlements are done to avoid going to trial where the outcome is less predictable which could also divulge more evidence and damaging results . Similar reason suspects plea deal in criminal court.

 

[Diehardblues]

First off, Im not defending Watson. What he gets I dont really care, im pointing out the hypocrisy of what happened with Kraft, which was nothing. Had it been Jerry, you think it would have gone away with NOTHING happening to him?

The worst that could have happened to Jethro in same situation is being hit with misdemeanor charge.

Most likely he could have had misdemeanor dropped or charge reduced as well. Personally I’d like to at least see some community service . Lol

The worst for these altercations like Kraft , Jethro and other celebrity figures is the public humiliation.

 

[Diehardblues]

These players know what the ramifications are regarding Personal Conduct Policy. 99% comply .

Why we want to go to bat for this 1% who places the entire pie in arms way is beyond me . I’d argue the stricter or harder we come down the less likely it will continue to grow.

 

[Reid1boys]

Remember according to the NFL a crime or conviction isn’t necessary for a violation of Personal Conduct Policy.

And initally there were some crimes alleged. While there wasnt enough for two grand jury’s to indict the investigator stated there appeared to be instances where a crime was committed .

“ Houston police Detective Kamesha Baker, the lead investigator in the criminal investigation, told Buzbee in a deposition that she believed Watson had committed crimes in the 10 criminal complaints that had been filed against the quarterback. Baker also said that Watson’s conduct during the massage sessions was escalating in such a way she believed that he would commit even more serious crimes, according to the lawsuit.”
https://cw39.com/news/local/lawsuit-texans-turned-a-blind-eye-to-qb-watsons-actions/

I dont care what the "Investigator," has to say in regards to a crime being committed. Was he charged, did a prosecutor file charges? its that simple. Thats why we have TRIALS. I dont convict anyone based upon what may have happened, what was said to have happened, or based upon an investigators opinion. That being said, whether a crime was committed or not has zip to do with his issues with the NFL.

 

[Diehardblues]

I will say again, I do not know all of the details of the Watson case as far as exactly what he did, but... do you think his actions were worse than Michael Vick's?

I’m not really into comparing these incidents. They all stand on their own merit.

I was against the NFL allowing the first convicted felon to return. But he did serve his time and I know America is about second chances .

If it wasn’t a very talented and popular player he wouldn’t have been given a second chance . Which goes back to your stance on how these athletes are provided the celebrity status which I agree they are but am against it.

 

[Diehardblues]

I dont care what the "Investigator," has to say in regards to a crime being committed. Was he charged, did a prosecutor file charges? its that simple. Thats why we have TRIALS. I dont convict anyone based upon what may have happened, what was said to have happened, or based upon an investigators opinion. That being said, whether a crime was committed or not has zip to do with his issues with the NFL.

We also know not all crimes get thru to indictment on a grand jury. That doesn’t mean a crime wasn’t committed. The DA doesn’t want to prosecute these celebrity trials as they know it’s difficult to find 12 jurors to convict .

Plus they know are going up against a defense team probably better equipped to take them on . And the publicity is usually not good for their re-election campaigns .

 

[Reid1boys]

The worst that could have happened to Jethro in same situation is being hit with misdemeanor charge.

Most likely he could have had misdemeanor dropped or charge reduced as well. Personally I’d like to at least see some community service . Lol

The worst for these altercations like Kraft , Jethro and other celebrity figures is the public humiliation.

but remember, as with Zeke, no crime need to be charged for the league to step in and dish out punishment. Something that should have happened with Kraft. But he is Kraft, and the league quickly brushed that under a rug and it went away.

 

[Diehardblues]

I tried to understand those Texas drinking laws, and I couldnt really get a straight answer on exactly how young a minor could be and still drink with a parent. Also, some places use the law and others dont. Way too much ambiguity for me.

Yea, it’s not clear on what the lowest minor age could be . Right. Most establishments don’t allow anyway. Too difficult to supervise with too much liability at stake.

But parents are definitely within the law at home for their minor children to consume . Just not before Noon in public ( like in front yard or on golf course) on Sundays. I had an ice chest confiscated once on Sunday morning.

We had some clients who owned restaurants and one owned a liquor chain . I also knew a golfer who was a TABC agent . So was pretty up on liquor laws.

 

[Diehardblues]

but remember, as with Zeke, no crime need to be charged for the league to step in and dish out punishment. Something that should have happened with Kraft. But he is Kraft, and the league quickly brushed that under a rug and it went away.

Remember too the owners don’t fall under the players union agreement to this Personal Conduct Policy.

 

[Reid1boys]

Remember too the owners don’t fall under the players union agreement to this Personal Conduct Policy.

which is funny, because that is, apparently, what Watson's owners are going to use to argue he shouldnt get a year or more suspension since nothing happens to owners that do similar things.

 

[Diehardblues]

which is funny, because that is, apparently, what Watson's owners are going to use to argue he shouldnt get a year or more suspension since nothing happens to owners that do similar things.

That could be a weak defense since the Personal Conduct Policy doesn’t apply to anyone not in Players Union. NFLPA

I’m not sure it can be argued they did similar things . It was at similar place but Kraft wasn’t sued or faced charges from women . His was just misdemeanor for soliciting sex.

Owners are still subject to discipline but don’t fall under same guidelines . Colts owner Irsay was suspended a few years ago.

And NBA owner Sterling didn’t even commit a criminal offense and was forced out of the league.

 

[Diehardblues]

@Reid1boys

Curious having a BA in Criminal Justice and attended McGeorgeSchool of Law ended up in your profession. Did you not attempt to pass the Bar.

Your disposition and harsh stance on many of these issues simply doesn’t match up. Just would never come to a conclusion you were in Law School. Good for you.

I’m curious how you became an educator and what was it girls volleyball or soccer coach . What changed in your life to take you in such a different direction than your education.

 

[atlantacowboy]

Yeah, settling out of court might not be an admission of guilt elsewhere but after his proclamations of innocence and wanting to clear his name, this will not help him with the league.

The leagues standard of proof is much lower than a courts.

 

[CouchCoach]

which is funny, because that is, apparently, what Watson's owners are going to use to argue he shouldnt get a year or more suspension since nothing happens to owners that do similar things.

What Kraft did was not similar as there was prior agreement as to the services offered and rendered.

I also think Goodell took pity on him. Have you ever noticed his pudgy little hands?

 

[Hawkeye0202]

 

[atlantacowboy]

which is funny, because that is, apparently, what Watson's owners are going to use to argue he shouldnt get a year or more suspension since nothing happens to owners that do similar things.

They are going to argue Watson should not be subjected to the leagues conduct policy? That argument isn't going to get far. If it does, then they might as well have no conduct policy.

What owner has been accused of sexual assault by anyone?

 

[atlantacowboy]

What Kraft did was not similar as there was prior agreement as to the services offered and rendered.

I also think Goodell took pity on him. Have you ever noticed his pudgy little hands?

If getting a happy ending was a personal conduct issue, the NFL would have to close down.